Underrated/Overrated

[CantStop85]

Yeah...ok. I'm going to bet against the QB I root for every sunday. Not gonna happen.

I love the "as long as he starts every game" clause, though. lol

[GROIIIDayton]

well if he gets hurt in week 3 he might have a hard time hitting that number. He will compete with Payton for MVP I'd bet my left arm on it. I can't bet my right because i jerk off with that one. lololol

[DontPushMe]

Right now I think Carson Palmer is a little overrated. I'm not saying that's he's not good or that's he's not going to be great eventually, but some people seem to think he's going to be the second-coming of troy aikman in his second season starting. He had a great end to the season last year, but he still has some growing pains to take care of.

There are no really over-rated players on the Bengals right now, but Palmer might be a little over-hyped at the moment.

I agree, i had been thinking about posting this as well, hes getting hyped up like hes already in the pro bowl. i think the over hype has made him overrated to an extent. IMO though our most overrated player is Rudi Johnson, for reasons ive stated countless times.

[LABengalsFan09]

Dayton, take a pill and relax brotha...

[GROIIIDayton]

Don'tpushme can join cantstop85 in the crack house because they both are retarded.

[GROIIIDayton]

LA i'm not your brother and wouldn't want to be brothas with anyone over there so stay there

[CBin2k7]

I just don't see all the overhyping of Carson. Most people have him rated about right where he should. He is anywhere from the 13-17 ranked QB in the league. Some have said he is poised to have a breakout year. We all agree that he is set up very well to have a breakout season and if he does improve upon last years numbers in a full season they do add out to 3300 yards and 27 TD's.

Again Carson is not overrated because he is not even rated on anyones radar.

Also Rudi Johnson is not overrated either because I have not seen him rated as a top ten back in the NFL either. He is mid pack 10-14.

[HairOnFire]

Asshat Alert! Asshat Alert!

Lamont Thompson didn't fit the mold Lewis wanted at the safety positions.

I like the fact that you mentioned the issue of fit instead of repeating the tired line of crap that most Bengal fans cling to about Thompson not working hard, not being willing to play special teams, or being cut to send a message. Last season Lewis admitted that Thompson simply didn't fit the mold of what he's looking for and never really had a chance here after Marvin was hired. Sadly, despite his own words I think most fans would rather believe that there was a symbolic smoking gun involved instead of admitting that part of the price when hiring any new coach is a bloodletting of talent that no longer fits the scheme.

[bengal4life]

The only people that are overating these players are the fans and then they turn around and say they are overated. Bengal's fans are being contradictery towards their own team. I have never heard any part of the media say that Carson Palmer is the best QB in the league or even come close to it and the same with Rudi Johnson. It's these forums that homer these athletes and then turn around and say they're better than what they are. To me this forum is retarded. I thought this whole forum was to talk about Tory James and Duane Clemons.

[HairOnFire]

Now...a potentially more interesting question is...what players do Bengals fans over- and underrate? If posts here at the 'zone are any guide, I think that there are some frighteningly high expectations out there for Pollack and Thurman. I do hope they prove to be everything they're predicted to be, but I'd like to see them take a few NFL snaps before I declare it a done deal.

On the flip side, I think Matt Schobel, Justin Smith, Levi Jones, and to an extent Shayne Graham all take more than their fair share of dog dirt from Bengals fans.

As a lifelong Bengal fan I think I know the breed pretty well. However, understanding is far different from knowing and I've never understood why the fans of this franchise are so quick to verbally blast good players who actually produce while at the same moment propping up every end-of-the bench roster slug who ever suited up in stripes. I kid you not, every Bengal underdog seems to have an official pimp or two. Every productive player on the cusp of being extremely good seems to attract a growing cadre of fugtards who critically quote stats as if they knew what they were talking about.

Could be worse though.

We could be Browns fans.

[B24]

This thread is very close to being closed. Make your point without attacking or go elsewhere.

[HoosierCat]

I kid you not, every Bengal underdog seems to have an official pimp or two.

Well, but of course. Picking an underdog to champion is a time-honored football ritual. At least for me, Perry is only the latest in a long line of 'dogs I've backed, ranging from K2 to the unlamented Robert Bean. I can even recall uttering, a few years ago, what was heresy at the time: that we could let that whiney witch Dillon go because we could insert Rudi and not lose a beat.

As for the tendency of some fans to knock productive players...it's not limited to Bengals fandom. There are fans of every team that do it. I've always chalked it up to an expectations overload. Especially with day one draft picks, and especially especially with first rounders, fans tend to build up rookies to monumental hall-of-fame proportions before they've even taken a snap. The lousier the team is -- and the Bengals have quite the history of lousy-ness -- the more pronounced the tendency, if only because of the carryover from all the draft hype.

[HoosierCat]

This thread is very close to being closed. Make your point without attacking or go elsewhere.

^^^ Yup.

[membengal]

Most underrated by far, and it's not even close is Kevin Walters.

(Hair, that is just for you...)

[HairOnFire]

Most underrated by far, and it's not even close is Kevin Walters.

(Hair, that is just for you...)

Thanky. But it's not just for me when you get right down to it. For those who doubt, just check out the latest edition of Hobson's mailbag. You'll find that Hobbie just handicapped the Bengals coming wideout wars and in so doing he managed to place Walters neck very squarely on the chopping block. Meanwhile, Kelley Washington lived to poplock for yet another day.

So if I'm wrong about this one....at least I've got company.

[HairOnFire]

I can even recall uttering, a few years ago, what was heresy at the time: that we could let that whiney witch Dillon go because we could insert Rudi and not lose a beat.

GASP!!!!!!!

Yeah, I'd say that one cancels out the misguided affection for Robert Bean pretty well.

Your point about fan expectations being based upon draft standing is well taken, especially in a thread where two players who haven't even played a down of NFL football keep popping up on fan favorite lists. I also agree that Justin Smith routinely gets slagged for being a player drafted too high, but most people can't name more than one or two players who would have been better choices. That said, one of my own fan favorites, TJ Houshmanpootietang, would make my own list in large part because of the low draft position he was selected at.

[DontPushMe]

I can even recall uttering, a few years ago, what was heresy at the time: that we could let that whiney witch Dillon go because we could insert Rudi and not lose a beat.

Heh, i hope you have better luck in future predictions, because that one was proven wrong.

[HoosierCat]

I can even recall uttering, a few years ago, what was heresy at the time: that we could let that whiney witch Dillon go because we could insert Rudi and not lose a beat.

Heh, i hope you have better luck in future predictions, because that one was proven wrong.

It was? How do you figure? With CD as the sole starter, the Bengals never even made it to .500. In his last year here, we were 8-8. Last year, without him, we were 8-8. Didn't lose a beat.

[CantStop85]

We had more rushing yards too...go figure.

[DontPushMe]

He was also less efficient, go figure!

The teams record didnt go down, but that is because the record of a team depends on more then just the RB. The team as a whole improved because of other additions, the starting RB spot got worse. Come on guys lets not be stupid here, Corey Dillon is way better than Rudi Johnson. We dont need to get into this conversation again.

If Corey Dillon was our starting RB last year, with the offense we had, and was given the 363 carries RJ was given, he would have gone over 2000 yards, probly broken Dickerson's record, and we would have been in the playoffs.

[CantStop85]

Not quite...but I agree probably Corey would have had more yards than Rudi given the same amount of attempts with the Bengals.

Rudi is a better fit for the bengals offense than Corey Dillon was...that's a big reason why he rushed for more yards than Corey Dillon ever did while in a bengals' uniform. The offense needs a back to run uphill through the tackles to complement the passing game. If chris perry is healthy this season you will see a complete backfield, with a power running back in Rudi and a speed/pass catching/3rd down back in Chris Perry.

[ArmyBengal]

If Corey Dillon was our starting RB last year, with the offense we had, and was given the 363 carries RJ was given, he would have gone over 2000 yards, probly broken Dickerson's record, and we would have been in the playoffs.

Would CD have ran for more yards than Rudi with our offense ?? Maybe yes, maybe no, there's no way to determine that so it's a guessing game you are playing. To say we would have been in the playoffs with CD is just a load and nothing more. DPM, your posts for the most part keep people thinking in different directions, which is not a bad thing, but anything short of Jesus in our backfield last year wouldn't have gotten us to the playoffs when our defense was giving up 120-130yds on the ground per game. Also known as getting ran the F**K over. I can acknowledge CD's ability just as much as the next guy, but hearing you bring him into every conversation makes me dislike him even more. Oh well, just your .02 just like everyone else...

Sorry for the Jesus comment for those I may have offended, I'm sure he runs a sub 4.3, 40 and could miracle our a**es into the playoffs...

WHODEY !!!

[membengal]

I'm sorry, has this really become another Dillon/Johnson/Perry thread? Really? Why can't we just make a sticky thread entitled Dillon/Johnson/Perry and let everyone have that conversation in just one thread that we can all then avoid?

[GROIIIDayton]

who in the hell thinks they can tell people what to talk about... this is america "free speech". I don't care if you run this damn thing or not you can kick me off i'll come back under a different name... the point is Dontpushme is right we would have kept CD around he would have ran for 2,000 easy last year baring an injury that he did have last year. Keeping Spikes would have given us a team deep in the playoffs even with Palmer in his first year under center. Two moves and we would be way ahead of where we are now. Whoever thinks rudi is a better fit than Hall of fame running back Corey Dillon is not only a homer but is just in denial.

P.S. did everyone see all the ohio state chumps on the overrated page that has got to be some kind of record...lol

[HoosierCat]

If Corey Dillon was our starting RB last year, with the offense we had, and was given the 363 carries RJ was given, he would have gone over 2000 yards, probly broken Dickerson's record, and we would have been in the playoffs.

Highly doubtful. You adore using Rudi's 4.0 per carry average in your "efficiency" argument, but ignore the fact that Dillon's was actually worse in 2 of his last 3 years here: 3.9 in '01 and '03. And it was just 4.2 in '02. There's no reason to think he would have rushed for many -- if any -- more yards here last year.