CBin2k7 Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 Seeming as the inevitable is on the way and Miley is going to be fired in the next couple of weeks, who should they get in the long term to manage the ballclub?I wouldn't mind us finding an Ozzie Guillen type of manager, someone young with that fire to light the club up when they are not getting it done.Any suggestions. Quote
KYBENGALFAN Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 Here's my short list..1. Chris Sabo2. Bob Huggins3. Jon Kitna Quote
bengalboomer7 Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 You Know, Pete Rose isn't that bad of an idea. The way the guy played and the way he goes all out over anyhting(including gambling) I kind of like that idea.Can Marvin coach both? Quote
Kirkendall Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 Seeming as the inevitable is on the way and Miley is going to be fired in the next couple of weeks, who should they get in the long term to manage the ballclub? Depends. What is the long-term plan? Rebuild or compete? Quote
CBin2k7 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Report Posted June 17, 2005 I think with this team you have to rebuild it in order to compete long term. You have a bad mix of players, you have some keepers but then you have to find soulutons in other positions. Quote
Kirkendall Posted June 17, 2005 Report Posted June 17, 2005 I think with this team you have to rebuild it in order to compete long term. You have a bad mix of players, you have some keepers but then you have to find soulutons in other positions. If that's the case, then the onus is on the front office to define that. Because right now, Dave Miley gets way too much of the blame when he's stuck with a group of hitters that are disgruntled unproductive uninspired whinny little pricks (see Adam Dunn) with ZERO pitching.If we're going long term, and the club decides to go in that direction (how since 1999 they haven't once baffles the f**k out of me) then Dave Miley is perfect for that role. But he can't do it with this bunch; most of them have to go. (yea, Kirkendall, right, like they'll keep Miley over the players you stupid......)Problem is, Reds gave him a few less-than-average old pitchers, a bunch of big bats (except for Randa) that produce one in every 4-5 days, a relief staff that could maybe, on a GREAT day, shutdown a Double-A team in the span of 3-4 innings, zip on speed, no fundamentally sound players, a questionable hitting coach ....... and we haven't even got to money yet!!! This team isn't good not because they lack funds. They're not good because they lack baseball fundamentals from an overload of power bats (zero pitching a result too) -- thanks Bowdon, you prick. Quote
CBin2k7 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Report Posted June 17, 2005 What is killing me is how Bowden is getting all this credit now for the Nats success. This is the Nationals who will have no young pitching and a bunch of 5 tool outfielders at the end of next season. You and I both know that Miley is going to become the fall guy, when this team falls about 20 games under 500 before the all star break. Change is going to be needed in order to put any fans in the stands for August and Sept. Good luck getting players to go see this team play in Sept.As far as I am concerned here is my plan for the RedsFind a new home for Dunn or Casey. They both can't remain. If they can trade casey then Dunn can play first. Next season between Dunn, Casey, Griffey and Milton the Reds will be on the books for almost 40 million dollars.3.75 million for Wilson next season is ridicoulous. I don't know how you cure that.Trade Randa now while he is sky high on value. Sure this season is over, get Encarnacion up here and get him ready for 2006.I would like to see what Kenny Kelly has to offer, he is the speedy centerfielder the Reds have lacked since Mike Cameron left. I like Griffey but he is too big of a salary right now, I am sure if the Reds had a taker they would trade him.Josh Hall who is 24 is really pitching well a double A, he had some flashes before when he first came up. It is time to see what you got with some of these prospects.Everyday lineup 20061B Casey/Dunn2B FreelSS Lopez3B EncarnacionLF KearnsCF Griffey/KellyRF PenaC LarueThe pitching staff is something that should be too be continued Quote
CBin2k7 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Report Posted June 17, 2005 As I sit here watching yet another disaster of a Reds game I wonder, why did the Reds trade for Ramon Ortiz. He has been getting a pass, because Milton has been so bad. But Ortiz hasn't been much better. Yet another offseason mistake.He may not make it out the first inning Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 Pete Rose!!! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! Quote
Kirkendall Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 Pete Rose!!! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! PETE! He had his chance. He blew it. Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 He had his chance. He blew it. I know. Give him another. I bet he doesn't blow this one. Wait a minute...let me re-word that! Quote
Kirkendall Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 He had his chance. He blew it.I know. Give him another. I bet he doesn't blow this one. Wait a minute...let me re-word that! Quote
bengalboomer7 Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 Finally, it's official. Buh -Bye Donny and Davey. Now, lets get a guy that isn't just gonna sit on his ass. Guys just weren't playing for him. We need a guy with some fire under his ass. Someone that can make a guy play hard just because their pissed off. I'm happy for the move, buts it who they'll hire that I'm more interested in. What do you wanna bet it's someone already affiliated with the organization. Quote
Whur CHad At? Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 Well since this new guy Narron wants to bring in Grady Little(former Red Sox manager) as a bench coach it could be him.Possibilities:Tony PenaLou Pinella(very good possibility)Grady LittleBuddy BellJack McKean(rumored to be fired)Don Baylor Quote
Kirkendall Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 Sorry, but I'm going to critique your list. Tona Pena just got fired from the Royals. What could he do here? Sweet Lou is at home in Tampa and makes god loads of money -- Linder pay? I think not. Grady Little. Humm, good one. Buddy Bell is managing the Royals.Jack McKean ain't going anywhere. And if he does, I'll do a Pete Rose and bet he's retiring. Don Baylor has no reason to come to Cincy.Here's a few I have:Barry Larkin (Lance suggestion)Bobby ValentineBob BrenleyJim Leyland (Lance suggestion) Quote
skyline Posted June 21, 2005 Report Posted June 21, 2005 Barry Larkin would be very cool, but I just don't see it happening...he'll need to get a few more years away from playing before that happens. Quote
CBin2k7 Posted June 21, 2005 Author Report Posted June 21, 2005 Interesting you bring up Bob Brenly. He did take Arizona to a title before ownership ran out of patience with him. It seems like every manager in baseball has been fired at least once. Jim Leyland is too old to come into a rebuilding situation.we have had so many chances to hire Buddy Bell and we just haven't done it. At this point I don't know who to go get. Quote
AGrizzlyBaer Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 how cool would it be to have barry be back to manage i just dont see it happening either Quote
Kirkendall Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 how cool would it be to have barry be back to manage i just dont see it happening either Why not. If this team is supposed to rebuild, why not put in a guy that would turn this city upside down in terms of fanfare, tickets sold, reinvention of Reds passion.Just a thought. Quote
bengalboomer7 Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 I like the Jim Leyland suggestion Quote
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Who coached "The Bad News Bears"? Quote
Tampa Bengal Posted June 22, 2005 Report Posted June 22, 2005 Wait two weeks and then call Sweet Lou Piniella.He should be fed up with the Rays by then. Quote
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