Spain Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Ok bengaldom I have a ? after watching are SS safetys just miss takle after takle. I was wondering if M williams shouldnt be the eigth man in the box on running downs. He clearly is the only safety we have that can do it. Herring isnt horrible in coverage so maybe its time for one more Defensive change. Moving Williams to strong.IMHO -this would help this unit what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Absolutely not.Madieu is a center-fielder type.Why try to bang a round peg into a square hole?I think one of the kids steps up in traning camp or pre-season and takes the spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUBengal Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Herring will probably saty in on the run, with Madieu roaming the "outfield" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 yeah but who. Myles might step up but were pretty vacant. Herring isnt going to cut it. KK is just a cheap reserve. Whose there nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spain Posted June 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Watch him on tape he isnt that good against the run. IMHO he doesnt match up well against big backs. Its like watching a train wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Herring and Herana-Daze Jones are our only safeties that are over 200lbs. I don't see Jones being our guys in the box, although Hobson does seem to think he'll make the roster.Williams is much much better in coverage than pretty much any of our safeties, so I don't see him playing strong. He is a FS through and through. Based on Herrings interview on bengals.com with Hobson right before the draft, it seems like he has been preparing all offseason to be in the box and take on big RB's, so look for Herring to be that man, as well as a guy who can drop into coverage... because ML loves the hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I am one of the biggest Madieu fans on this board, and I don't really think he will end up moving to strong safety. He is really coming into his own as one of the best young safeties in the league and moving him to strong would seem to delay his progress. I think that he is our best safety against the run right now, but I also think that he is our best by far against the pass. I would really like to see Reg Myles or the Dazing Harena step up, but I don't really think that those guys are going to make an impact on any starting situation for a awhile, especially Jones. I think that Herring's going to do fine for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Great posts by all, However Herring doesnt cut it in my opinion. Maybe Im wrong which I hope but we have a hole in the middle of the field and that could cost us a super bowl. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Agreed. Hehad a bad season last year because he was playing out of position. He'll be more prepared this year, so I guess we'll see how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimington over Marino Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Anthony Mitchell SS. Drafted by ML in Washington, he is 2nd team, behind Herring, but Marvin loves him. Madieu is a free safety. Herring hardly played last year. If at all during the regular season. He played on 2 Super Bowl teams with Baltimore and St. Louis. Why would you think he would be a liability here? If he can play near what he did for those teams, he is not a liability. Boomerang, you are wrong here and the insiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Herring hardly played last year. If at all during the regular season. He played on 2 Super Bowl teams with Baltimore and St. Louis. Why would you think he would be a liability here? If he can play near what he did for those teams, he is not a liability. Agreed... I don't think he is a liability, and I certainly don't think he is going to cost us a Superbowl. Our reliance on rookies will be sure to handle that little detail.I think Herring will be more than adequate (although he will not be what he was to those Superbowl teams... age is catching up with him). I've said it before, and I'll say it again... the reason we are weak here is our lack of depth. If all our starters played every down this season without getting tired and no injuries we will be a great Defense, but since that will not happen, I am concerned about what teams are going to do to our lowly backups, because the depth at DT and S just isn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Herring will do just fine for a couple of years till we can find a worthy SS that falla far enough for us to draft him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 great just what I need is another Bengals insider troll, first of all its an opinion no one will know who ius right are wrong til the season comes. Second of all I post my opinions to talk football not to troll people out. Third this site is way better than the insider site these guys actualy talk football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I think Madieu will be an average Strong Safety but he could be a superstar at Free Safety, that is why they will leave him at FS. Herring will get every chance in the world to take the SS job, and next year in the draft they will get someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 When we drafted Tab Perry, I initially thought it was as a 'project' to re-convert him to strong safety . . . he appears to have all the tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Tab Perry as a Strong Safety? I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 When we drafted Tab Perry, I initially thought it was as a 'project' to re-convert him to strong safety . . . he appears to have all the tools. And he's going to use those tools as a reciever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Great posts by all, However Herring doesnt cut it in my opinion. Maybe Im wrong which I hope but we have a hole in the middle of the field and that could cost us a super bowl. IMHOYou must have only followed Herring last season, you know, when he was injured most of the season, and never fully healthy... When our defensive line wasn't getting the job done because they were injured, and our corners and safeties were being interchanged weekly because of injuries....You can't count Herring out. He's a good player who had an off year.Saying we should move Madieu, one of the future top free safeties in the league to strong safety, where his coverage skills will be wasted and he will have to change his body to be more of a force against the run is pure ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Thanks for the info big O I didnt know Herring was hurt last year. As for your insult its a long offseason and not really much to talk about so before you start being an arse remember these are all opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Thanks for the info big O I didnt know Herring was hurt last year. As for your insult its a long offseason and not really much to talk about so before you start being an arse remember these are all opinions. Yes, it's all opinions. However, there are different types of opinions. There is the informed opinion of a fan, the informed opinion of the press, the extremely informed opinion of the coaching staff, and the utterly uninformed opinion. Your opinions, if you didn't know that Herring was injured last season, are entirely and utterly uninformed. We also refer to such opinions as asinine, idiotic, dumb, and foolish. The informed press isn't sure about Herring, but they aren't negative either. The informed fans are split across the Herring will be fine and we should have drafted someone we didn't draft or signed someone we didn't sign opinions. The extremely informed coaching staff has made it clear. Herring is the starter, we didn't NEED to sign a free agent or draft a new guy. We aren't looking for an in the box safety, we need a coverage safety and bigger stronger faster linebackers to prevent the runs from getting to the 8th man. Frankly, I'm sticking with Marvin. If Herring is his man, he's my man too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldBFree Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Hopefully, this unit will stop the run a little better than last year's and we won't be seeing too many 8 man fronts out there.I'd like to put Spain in the box and let Jamaal Lewis get a 10 yard sprint at him, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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