DesperateDerelict Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 I am, for the most part, a loyal Cincinnatian, and like local products. Unfortunately, I cannot extend that loyalty to the Enquirer's coverage of the Bengals. We have one of the worst newspapers on the planet. Outside of Jim Borgman, the entire paper sucks, and their sports section is pitiful. Compared to the Plain-Dealer or the Washington Post (the two out-of-town papers I know the best), it's a grade school quality publication - inaccurate, incomplete, and often irrelevant. The Cincinnati Inquisitor, perhaps finally realizing their own inadequacies, have asked for help to shape their Bengals coverage. Link: Enquirer MeetingArticle: Readers invited to discuss Bengals The Enquirer sports department is inviting readers to join us for a conversation about the Cincinnati Bengals and our NFL coverage.Attending will be Bengals beat reporter Mark Curnutte, reporter Kevin Kelly, sports editor Michael Perry and assistant sports editor Josh Pichler.The meeting is at 6:30 p.m. June 16 at The Enquirer. If interested, e-mail Robin Buchanan at rbuchanan@enquirer.com. Include your name, age, phone number and the area in which you live.You can also send the information to: Robin Buchanan, 312 Elm St., Cincinnati, OH, 45202.Space is limited.Perhaps some of the more eloquent on this board could help correct their monumental deficiencies. (We could get Big Orange as staff photographer!)My primary suggestion would be to IMMEDIATELY terminate Paul Daugherty - painfully if possible. This clown doesn't bother to get his facts straight, and prefers sensationalism to journalism. He is the Andy Fur-ball of writers, and an a$$hole in person. Can him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 My primary suggestion would be to IMMEDIATELY terminate Paul Daugherty - painfully if possible. This clown doesn't bother to get his facts straight, and prefers sensationalism to journalism. He is the Andy Fur-ball of writers, and an a$$hole in person. Can him! Daugherty rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted May 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Daugherty rocksDaugherty is to journalism what Mike Tyson is to intellectualism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 I signed up the other day, for what it's worth. I haven't heard anything back yet though.Maybe we can just stage a coup and take the place over while we are there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted May 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Maybe we can just stage a coup and take the place over while we are there!PBS press passes for the entire board! Cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 I like Daugherty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Daugherty rocksDaugherty is to journalism what Mike Tyson is to intellectualism. Ooookay. What do you want from him? Facts? Don't read his stuff because he's not supposed to provide facts. He's paid to provide an opinion on the facts he's given, or that's public. What's the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted May 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Ooookay. What do you want from him? Facts? Don't read his stuff because he's not supposed to provide facts. He's paid to provide an opinion on the facts he's given, or that's public. What's the problem?Daugherty could care less about 'facts'. Or sports. Or anything else except himself and selling papers. He will go out of his way to avoid 'facts'. The better sports journalists today will express opinions AFTER RESEARCHING ISSUES! Dave Anderson (New York Times), Leonard Shapiro (The Washington Post), even our own Marty Brenneman (WLW / Reds) will express KNOWLEDGEABLE opinions based on SUPERIOR INSIGHTS into WELL-RESEARCHED FACTS. When was the last time Daugherty quoted someone he himself had interviewed? He uses quotes gathered by others, and will too often use them out of context, or just use sound bites. He seems to travel alot, but I'm not sure he sees very much. He writes about home town issues, and hasn't had an original thought in years. Many high school freshmen, who watch SportsCenter daily, our both better informed and better writers than this Dork.I don't need to agree with a sports journalist to like him. But I DO want to read something well written and well thought-out. Fortunately, there are plenty of good ones out there (Dayton, Plain Dealer, Post). Just none on the Inquisitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 I like Mark Maske of the Washington Post for NFL coverage. He's just about always right on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 When was the last time Daugherty quoted someone he himself had interviewed? Um, maybe his last column on the Bengals...http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../505270417/1007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted May 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 JC - CJ sucking his Thumb? Great - let's compare that to the last article out of Dayton about the Bengals:Dayton Daily NewsOr one from Mike Preston in Baltimore:Baltimore SunI rest my case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 JC - CJ sucking his Thumb? Great - let's compare that to the last article out of Dayton about the Bengals:Dayton Daily News Right -- the latest news article out of Chick Ludwig. Ludwig's a sports reporter; Daugherty's an opinion columnist. Chick's counterpart at the Enquirer is Mark Curnette (who, BTW, reported the same stuff here: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../305250001/1066 ). Now, if you want to argue that Chick is a better sports reporter than Curnette, there I'll agree.Or one from Mike Preston in Baltimore:Well, at least you've pitted columnist vs. columnist here. And Preston is a fine example. But we should blame Daugherty that the Bengals don't have safeties threatening to hold out if they don't get new deals and linebackers who want $50 million signing bonuses? That there are no "burning issues" to be addressed, that instead Daugherty can look at the lighter side of Bengaldom as a tonic for all the rest of the sports griping and misery around Cincy right now? Lonnie Wheeler over at the Post couldn't find anything better to write about, either (see http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../505200323/1022 ).Shucks, I'm thrilled all our sports columnists can come up with is fluff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 why cant Dave Lapham write a column? Is he too busy? He has inside knowledge of the team... I respect his opinions and he has breaking news alot.. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted May 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Joisey - Perhaps we should just agree to disagree, as Lance McAllister says. You are right that I unfairly compared Dorkerty to a journalist as opposed to a columnist - however, I still think he's a POS and a terrible writer. My last comparison to display Dork's pathetic writing style is the article you posted from Carlos Holmes and Dorkerty's fluff - to me there's no comparison. Does anybody else have any suggestions for the Enquirer? I'd really enjoy an artcle from "Lap", and maybe one from John Thornton would be fun, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Hey, if you don't like PD, that's fine by me. It's just that -- to get back to your original point -- I wouldn't consider booting him an improvement to the Enquirer's coverage.I do agree it needs improving. Since I'm out of town, I read the Enquirer, Post, and DDN only online, and of the three the Enquirer is my least favorite. During the season, the game write-ups on both the Post and DDN sites always seem more detailed than the Enquirer game report. To be fair, the Enquirer does get around to mentioning everything eventually, but only in one of the five or six sidebars/notes columns it does along with the main story. So I can click on one report on the Post or DDN sites and get the whole story, or click around to six different pages on the Enquirer site.I do think the Enquirer provides a bit more Bengals coverage in the offseason than the other two do. But both Kevin Goheen over at the Post and Ludwig up at the DDN seem to have better sources inside the club, or more insight into what's going on, than Curnette.On the opinion side, obviously I like PD. Lonnie Wheeler at the Post does a good job as well. IMHO, they make a pretty good pair; Wheeler is the more "serious" of the two, sometimes to point of taking it all too seriously, while PD specializes in one-liners, puns, zingers, and does occasionally get carried away with his own cleverness. So for me, they tend to balance out. I've only read a few columns on the Bengals by Tom Archdeacon up at the DDN, but they've been very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldBFree Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Who was the genius behind "Bengals, Please Don't Embarrass Us"?That was pretty lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Who was the genius behind "Bengals, Please Don't Embarrass Us"?That was pretty lame. That would be Daugherty.We share the same last name,but I swear we're not related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 why cant Dave Lapham write a column? Is he too busy? He has inside knowledge of the team... I respect his opinions and he has breaking news alot.. Just a thought. I think he has written some bits for a local football/sports newspaper called Hack's but I don't think he has ever done a guest feature for the Enquirer or Post. He also does Big 12 FB games on Saturdays in the fall and the Bengals-Line radio call-in show on Monday evenings. I am sure he is pretty busy from August to January with all of that. So writing a timely article might be difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Only thing I recall Lap has written for the Enquirer was one of the "letters to Mike" after the nightmare '02 season.http://bengals.enquirer.com/2002/12/23/wwwben1mike2.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted May 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 WOW! I hadn't read Lap's letter before. Now THAT was well written. . . . . I wish he'd follow it up this summer.Maybe we should have the board write a letter to Marvin weekly. Thanks, praise, concerns, almost anything (with the exception of some Big Orange pix). I'll nominate Hair on Fire for the first one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Daugherty's article on Dillon was really good IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 And, granted they were layups, but he really drove the Danny Graves pantsing. It was Daugherty's conversation with Graves that yielded the "Booing makes us feel small" lunatic quotes that began Graves' downward spiral out of town.Really, Daugherty is a fine columnist, and does what he is hired to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Orange Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Hey, what's wrong with The Big O's pics? You don't think The Marv enjoys a good laugh...did you like the one about the kittens? I would agree..I have seen some darn good writing go down on this board...as good as Hobbs, certainly Curnette, and almost as good as Ludwig, but he is by far my favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 I do think the Enquirer provides a bit more Bengals coverage in the offseason than the other two do. But both Kevin Goheen over at the Post and Ludwig up at the DDN seem to have better sources inside the club, or more insight into what's going on, than Curnette. Hobson is still King But he damn well should be.Short of reviewing a gob of articles, I'd maybe attribute the differences between the 3 main Bengals beat writers in Cincy area more to style than sources or insight or even content. From what I read of Chick, you get the sense he'd like to be a defensive coordinator. Goheen often reads like he'd make a go at gunner on special teams if they'd let him and Curnutte often reads more like front office.But I find all of them useful in their own right.As for Dock, IIRC he always seem to hold his own with Mike Martin, Lapham, and Poppo on Cincy TV -- Sports of All Sorts ? (been awhile and not sure if they still do it). But that MNF article was the lamest headline I've ever seen. IMO the focus of that article was weak and wayward and should have read more like, "Please bring MNF back here next year after we skin some Donkey hide" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 At least you guys have a slight amount of Bengals coverage in your area. I live in Toledo, reading the Blade. It's a good paper, but it's considered a Browns + Lions area. That really sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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