You pick the roster

KiLBurn · May 20, 2005

Updated

Released Players have X in front of name.

Defensive Line (Keep 8 )

Justin Smith DE

Robert Geathers DE

Bryan Robinson DT

John Thornton DT

Matthias Askew DT

X - Langston Moore DT

Shaun Smith DT

Duane Clemons DE. < Jonathon Fanene could slip in here if Marvin doesn't want him picked off the PS

Released or Practice Squad:

X - Derrick Crawford DE

X - Elton Patterson DE

Carl Powell DE

Jonathan Fanene DE

X - Greg Scott DT

X - Terrance Martin DT

Linebackers (Keep 7)

David Pollack

Odell Thurman

Brian Simmons

Landon Johnson

Pup - Caleb Miller < Hannibal Navies could steal this spot

Marcus Wilkins

X - Khalid Abdullah < One of the guys I have as released is obviously going to make it now. Pretty surprised he got cut.

Released or Practice Squad:

Larry Stevens < Sticks due to Abdullahs release

X - Derek Curry

X - Cedric Sullivan

X - Allen Augustin

Pup - Nate Webster

Defensive Backs (Keep 9)

Deltha O'Neal CB

Keiwan Ratliff CB

Madieu Williams S

Tory James CB

Reggie Myles CB

Anthony Mitchell S -Slipping <Ifeanyi Ohalete could push him out.

X - Patrick Body CB/S

IR - Kim Herring S

X - Terrell Roberts CB/S <Little surprised. I thought he would take KK's safety spot.

Released or Practice Squad:

Kevin Kaesviharn S

X - Herana-Daze Jones S

Rashad Bauman CB

X - Brandon Williams CB -

Greg Brooks CB

X - James Young S

X- Siddeeq Shabazz S

Offensive Line (Keep 10)

Willie Anderson T

Levi Jones T

Eric Ghiaciuc C

Rich Braham C

Eric Steinbach G/T

Stacy Andrews T

Bobbie Williams G

Scott Kooistra G

Pup - Ben Wilkerson C

IR - Adam Kieft T

Released or Practice Squad:

Larry Moore C/G

Pup - Steven Vieira G (Injured)

X - Pete Lougheed T

X - Alex Sulfsted T (Retired)

X - Belton Johnson T

Quarterback (Keep 3)

Carson Palmer

Jon Kitna

Craig Krenzel

Released or Practice Squad

X - Casey Bramlet

X - Josh Haldi

Running Back/FB (Keep 4)

Rudi Johnson RB

Chris Perry RB

Kenny Watson RB

Jeremi Johnson FB

Released or Practice Squad:

X - Jeremy Thomas FB

X - Doug Easlick FB

X - Quincy Wilson RB

X - Rich Demers FB

Tight Ends (Keep 3)

Reggie Kelly

Matt Schobel

1 of these 2 get third spot

X - Kori Dickerson

Tony Stewart

Released or Practice Squad:

X - Ronnie Ghent

X - Lyonel Anderson

Wide Recievers (Keep 6)

Chad Johnson

T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Chris Henry

Tab Perry

Kelley Washington <Possible surprise cut

Kevin Walter

Released or Practice Squad:

X - Jamall Broussard

X - Matt Cherry

X - Peter Warrick

X - Freddie Milons

X - Cliff Russell

X - Jeremiah Cockheran

X - Sale' Key

X - Dante Ridgeway

Specialists (Pick 3)

Brad St. Louis LS/TE *

Kyle Larson P *

Shayne Graham K*

X - Carter Warley is here just long enough for Shayne's nuts to heal.

Edited September 4, 2005 by KiLBurn

Bobcat Bengal · May 20, 2005

I posted this over at the Bengals Insider board. Interested in your take.
(I have made a couple adjustments due to new info)
Defensive Line (Keep 8 )
Justin Smith DE
Robert Geathers DE
Bryan Robinson DT
John Thornton DT
Matthias Askew DT
Langston Moore DT
Shaun Smith DT
Duane Clemons DE. < Jonathon Fanene could slip in here if Marvin doesn't want him picked off the PS
Released or Practice Squad:
Derrick Crawford DE
Elton Patterson DE
Carl Powell DE
Jonathan Fanene DE
Greg Scott DT
Terrance Martin DT
Linebackers (Keep 7)
David Pollack
Odell Thurman
Brian Simmons
Khalid Abdullah
Landon Johnson
Caleb Miller
Marcus Wilkins
Released or Practice Squad:
Cedric Sullivan
Larry Stevens
Allen Augustin
Nate Webster
Defensive Backs (Keep 9)
Deltha O'Neal CB
Keiwan Ratliff CB
Madieu Williams S
Tory James CB
Terrell Roberts CB/S
Reggie Myles CB
Anthony Mitchell S
Kim Herring S
Patrick Body CB/S <- James Young could take this spot
Released or Practice Squad:
Kevin Kaesviharn S
Herana-Daze Jones S
James Young S
Siddeeq Shabazz S
Rashad Bauman CB
Brandon Williams CB
Greg Brooks CB
Offensive Line (Keep 10)
Willie Anderson T
Levi Jones T
Eric Ghiaciuc C
Ben Wilkerson C
Rich Braham C
Eric Steinbach G/T
Adam Kieft T
Stacy Andrews T
Bobbie Williams G <- If Moore stays, he goes.
Scott Kooistra G
Released or Practice Squad:
Larry Moore C/G
Steven Vieira G (Injured)
Pete Lougheed T
Alex Sulfsted T
Belton Johnson T
Quarterback (Keep 3)
Carson Palmer
Jon Kitna
Casey Bramlet
Released or Practice Squad
Josh Haldi
Running Back/FB (Keep 4)
Rudi Johnson RB
Chris Perry RB
Kenny Watson RB
Jeremi Johnson FB
Released or Practice Squad:
Rich Demers FB
Jeremy Thomas FB
Doug Easlick FB
Quincy Wilson RB
Tight Ends (Keep 3)
Reggie Kelly
Matt Schobel
1 of these 2 get third spot
Kori Dickerson
Tony Stewart
Released or Practice Squad:
Ronnie Ghent
Lyonel Anderson
Wide Recievers (Keep 6)
Chad Johnson
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Chris Henry
Tab Perry
Kelley Washington <Possible surprise cut
Kevin Walter (I'm torn between Walter or Broussard here)
Released or Practice Squad:
Jamall Broussard
Sale' Key
Matt Cherry
Peter Warrick
Freddie Milons
Cliff Russell
Jeremiah Cockheran
Specialists (Pick 3)
Brad St. Louis LS/TE *
Kyle Larson P *
Shayne Graham K*

Defensive Line

Smith

Geathers

Robinson

Thorton

(starting four)

Clemons

Askew

Moore

Patterson

(two DT's, two DE's)

Linebackers

Simmons

L. Johnson

Miller

Abdullah

Pollack

Thurman

Wilkins

Secondary

O'Neal

James

Ratliff

M. Williams

Myles

Herring

Mitchell

Brooks

Shabazz-Saadiq

Offensive Line

Andrews

Anderson

Kieft

Guy check

Braham

B. Williams

Steinbach

Jones

Wilkerson

Kooistra

WR's

Warrick

Washington

C. Johnson

TJ

Perry

Henry

RB's

Perry

R. Johnson

Watson

J. Johnson

TE's

Stewart

Schobel

Kelly

Specialist

St. Louis

Larson

Graham

cHaD711Johnson · May 21, 2005

I posted this over at the Bengals Insider board. Interested in your take.
(I have made a couple adjustments due to new info)
Defensive Line (Keep 8 )
Justin Smith DE
Robert Geathers DE
Bryan Robinson DT
John Thornton DT
Matthias Askew DT
Langston Moore DT
Shaun Smith DT
Duane Clemons DE. < Jonathon Fanene could slip in here if Marvin doesn't want him picked off the PS
Released or Practice Squad:
Derrick Crawford DE
Elton Patterson DE
Carl Powell DE
Jonathan Fanene DE
Greg Scott DT
Terrance Martin DT
Linebackers (Keep 7)
David Pollack
Odell Thurman
Brian Simmons
Khalid Abdullah
Landon Johnson
Caleb Miller
Marcus Wilkins
Released or Practice Squad:
Cedric Sullivan
Larry Stevens
Allen Augustin
Nate Webster
Defensive Backs (Keep 9)
Deltha O'Neal CB
Keiwan Ratliff CB
Madieu Williams S
Tory James CB
Terrell Roberts CB/S
Reggie Myles CB
Anthony Mitchell S
Kim Herring S
Patrick Body CB/S <- James Young could take this spot
Released or Practice Squad:
Kevin Kaesviharn S
Herana-Daze Jones S
James Young S
Siddeeq Shabazz S
Rashad Bauman CB
Brandon Williams CB
Greg Brooks CB
Offensive Line (Keep 10)
Willie Anderson T
Levi Jones T
Eric Ghiaciuc C
Ben Wilkerson C
Rich Braham C
Eric Steinbach G/T
Adam Kieft T
Stacy Andrews T
Bobbie Williams G <- If Moore stays, he goes.
Scott Kooistra G
Released or Practice Squad:
Larry Moore C/G
Steven Vieira G (Injured)
Pete Lougheed T
Alex Sulfsted T
Belton Johnson T
Quarterback (Keep 3)
Carson Palmer
Jon Kitna
Casey Bramlet
Released or Practice Squad
Josh Haldi
Running Back/FB (Keep 4)
Rudi Johnson RB
Chris Perry RB
Kenny Watson RB
Jeremi Johnson FB
Released or Practice Squad:
Rich Demers FB
Jeremy Thomas FB
Doug Easlick FB
Quincy Wilson RB
Tight Ends (Keep 3)
Reggie Kelly
Matt Schobel
1 of these 2 get third spot
Kori Dickerson
Tony Stewart
Released or Practice Squad:
Ronnie Ghent
Lyonel Anderson
Wide Recievers (Keep 6)
Chad Johnson
T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Chris Henry
Tab Perry
Kelley Washington <Possible surprise cut
Kevin Walter (I'm torn between Walter or Broussard here)
Released or Practice Squad:
Jamall Broussard
Sale' Key
Matt Cherry
Peter Warrick
Freddie Milons
Cliff Russell
Jeremiah Cockheran
Specialists (Pick 3)
Brad St. Louis LS/TE *
Kyle Larson P *
Shayne Graham K*

Dline

Robert Geathers DE

Bryan Robinson DT

John Thornton DT

Matthias Askew DT

Langston Moore DT

Duane Clemons DE

Carl Powell DT/DE

Elton Patterson de

Lbs

David Pollack OLB

Odell Thurman MLB

Brian Simmons OLB

Khalid Abdullah OLB

Landon Johnson MLB/OLB

Caleb Miller...He is trash..If hes got any bigger maybe he can help but otherwise I would cut him

Marcus Wilkins..Terrific Special teamer

Dbs

Deltha O'Neal CB

Keiwan Ratliff CB

Madieu Williams S

Tory James CB

Terrell Roberts CB/S

Reggie Myles CB

Anthony Mitchell S

Kim Herring S

Greg Brooks..Sounds like he is really progressing

Willie Anderson T

Levi Jones T

Eric Ghiaciuc C

Ben Wilkerson C

Rich Braham C

Eric Steinbach G/T

Adam Kieft T

Stacy Andrews T

Bobbie Williams G

Larry Moore C/G...Can't imagine Kooistra being chose over him or Bobbie Williams

Quarterback

Carson Palmer

Jon Kitna

Casey Bramlet

Running Back/FB

Rudi Johnson RB

Chris Perry RB

Kenny Watson RB

Jeremi Johnson FB

Tight Ends

Reggie Kelly

Matt Schobel

Tony Stewart..Good community guy and Player Rep for team..Dont see him cut unless Dickerson really shines

Wide Recievers (Keep 6)

Chad Johnson

T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Chris Henry

Tab Perry

Kelley Washington...Maybe in Yr 3 He shows up...If not he's gone

Peter "Pdub" Warrick...I think we will see his Dubbish back this year and the Bengals don't lose anything keeping him since he is in his contract year..He sounds really motivated and ready to go

Specialists

Brad St. Louis LS/TE

Kyle Larson P

Shayne Graham K

HairOnFire · May 21, 2005

D-Line (8)

Smith

Geathers

Robinson

Thornton

Askew

Moore

Clemons

Patterson

LB (7)

Pollack

Johnson

Simmons

Thurman

Miller

Wilkins

Webster

DB (9)

O'Neal

James

Ratliff

Brooks

Williams

Mitchell

Roberts

Myles

Herring

OL (10)

Anderson

Jones

Braham

Ghiaciuc

Steinbach

Andrews

Williams

Kieft

Moore

Wilkerson

QB (3)

Palmer

Kitna

Bramlet

RB (4)

R. Johnson

Watson

Perry <_<

J. Johnson

TE (3)

Schobel

Kelly

Stewart

WR (6)

C. Johnson

Houshmandzadeh

Warrick

Washington

Henry

T. Perry

Specialists (3)

St.Louis

Graham

Larson

rob_justdmb · May 21, 2005

I've said it once here, I'll say it again. I think Kaesviharn stays. No one has him staying yet. They like his versatility, he's a great special teamer and the players voted him a captain in 2003 so he obviously holds more importance to the team than to you all.

DontPushMe · May 21, 2005

Offensive Line (Keep 10)
Willie Anderson T
Levi Jones T
Eric Ghiaciuc C
Ben Wilkerson C
Rich Braham C
Eric Steinbach G/T
Adam Kieft T
Stacy Andrews T
Bobbie Williams G <- If Moore stays, he goes.
Scott Kooistra G
Released or Practice Squad:
Larry Moore C/G
Steven Vieira G (Injured)
Pete Lougheed T
Alex Sulfsted T
Belton Johnson T

I dont know where you guys get some of your ideas, Bobbie Williams might go? Why would we cut our 2nd or 3rd best offensive linemen last year? I KNOW we didnt pick up that many good o-linemen this offseason.

I think moore stays, and wilkerson goes to the practice squad or is cut. Bobbie williams continues to be a good starter on our team.

Without his excellent run blocking, the mediocre rb you all love for some reason would probly be a lot poorer right now.

walshfan · May 21, 2005

Bobbi Williams isnt going anywhere...He's a mauler on running downs and has stepped it up on pass protection.. He had to learn the schemes last year and played well the second half...

Wilkerson isnt going to be cut... He'll more than likely be on IR if they can swing it or make the roster...If he does make the roster Moore will go...Wilkerson has more upside than Moore imo. If they keep 10 linemen Moore stays....

Caleb Miller isnt as bad as he looked.. Put on some weight, get his ankle healty and he'll be a good special teams and backup LB.

Im glad to see noone put Shaun Smith on the team.. He's nothing more than an emergency backup and I mean emergency.. the guy is more concerned about where the buffet table is than getting his arse in shape and playing football..

KiLBurn · May 21, 2005

Bobbi Williams isnt going anywhere...He's a mauler on running downs and has stepped it up on pass protection.. He had to learn the schemes last year and played well the second half...
Wilkerson isnt going to be cut... He'll more than likely be on IR if they can swing it or make the roster...If he does make the roster Moore will go...Wilkerson has more upside than Moore imo. If they keep 10 linemen Moore stays....
Caleb Miller isnt as bad as he looked.. Put on some weight, get his ankle healty and he'll be a good special teams and backup LB.
Im glad to see noone put Shaun Smith on the team.. He's nothing more than an emergency backup and I mean emergency.. the guy is more concerned about where the buffet table is than getting his arse in shape and playing football..

I don't have him as going anywhere.. Just saying that if they keep Moore... someones got to go.... He's the low hanging fruit IMO... It's him or Braham...

Last I counted... I had 10 OL staying..

Agree, Miller isn't going anywhere.

Regarding, Smith... He started the game against Philly last year.. Would be useful to have if we are going to see a lot more 3-4 d this year. Thorton and Pollack would be insurance against DE injuries... Get Odell on the Field.

HairOnFire · May 21, 2005

First, the thread title says "You pick the roster". So I assumed that meant I could indulge in a few personal preferences instead of racking my brain trying to PREDICT the actual final roster. Example: I made room for Greg Brooks but have doubts he'll survive the final cuts.

Last, before picking apart the opinions of others it might be nice to offer your own fake rosters, ehh? It only takes about five minutes. If you think K2 is worth keeping then show who you'd cut instead of complaining that he's worth keeping. And if you think so little of Wilkerson show who gets his spot.

KiLBurn · May 21, 2005

Last, before picking apart the opinions of others it might be nice to offer your own fake rosters, ehh? It only takes about five minutes. If you think K2 is worth keeping then show who you'd cut instead of complaining that he's worth keeping. And if you think so little of Wilkerson show who gets his spot.

Couldn't have said it better myself..

schweinhart · May 22, 2005

Im glad to see noone put Shaun Smith on the team.. He's nothing more than an emergency backup and I mean emergency.. the guy is more concerned about where the buffet table is than getting his arse in shape and playing football..

I liked what I saw of Shaun Smith last year in the limited ops he got to play. He's the truest big bodied gap filler on the D-line and linemen got more of a load on their hands with him than the other DTs.

Still, odds are against him to make the roster because he doesn't fit the stunting DT type that the Bengals scheme has relied on. Plus, any sign that he's eating his way out of the league won't help him.

I'd like to see him get a pre-season in to see what he does. Even though he backed up Langston Moore at NT in college in a 3-4, Smith looks like the better option at NT if the Bengals run any 3-4 because Moore's bullrush peters and he struggles to shed NFL blockers. That, short yardage, and normal rotation in a 4-3 make Smith an interesting player in the DT mix.

But the signing of Robinson does further decrease the chance that Smith stick. That plus Powell and Clemons as DE/DTs might make ML opt to go w/ just 4 straight DTs and use the undersized DE/DTs in rotation to shave a roster spot free for another position.

HoosierCat · May 22, 2005

Last, before picking apart the opinions of others it might be nice to offer your own fake rosters, ehh?

Well, I could, but I'd only be copy/pasting yours for the most part. My only changes to your lineup would be...

Powell over Patterson (Marvin loves Carl)

Abdullah over Webster (Webster ends up on PUP, IR or cut; Abdullah too valuable on STs)

Kooistra over Keift (Keift to PS)

Stewart or Kelly gets the boot, keep just Schobel & (Stewart or Kelly) @ TE. Andrews lines up at TE in short yardage/goal-line/3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust type situations.

Use the extra roster spot to up DBs to 10 and keep K2 (Marvin loves him, too).

HairOnFire · May 23, 2005

My only changes to your lineup would be...
Powell over Patterson (Marvin loves Carl)
Abdullah over Webster (Webster ends up on PUP, IR or cut; Abdullah too valuable on STs)
Kooistra over Keift (Keift to PS)
Stewart or Kelly gets the boot, keep just Schobel & (Stewart or Kelly) @ TE. Andrews lines up at TE in short yardage/goal-line/3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust type situations.
Use the extra roster spot to up DBs to 10 and keep K2 (Marvin loves him, too).

Marvin has to like something about Patterson too. He drafted him late, stashed him on the practice squad, and re-signed him to a 2-year deal the moment he was cut loose by the Jags. None of that screams love, but there's plenty of interest being shown....most importantly the continued interest shown after Patterson was lost and presumably replaced. So I gave Patterson the nod over Powell, a limited player I've seen quite enough of and a guy who may have a present role but doesn't really have a future with this team. Yeah, I know Patterson probably doesn't either, but he might....thus he makes my fake roster.

I picked Webster over Abdullah due to my belief that Webster was signed to be a starter and is more highly thought of overall. I'm not convinced the Bengals are writing Webster off yet, and I decided not to split burning hairs over whether he was stashed on PUP or IR. And I don't see him being cut unless doctors determine his career is likely over. Plus liked what I saw in limited action last season. As for Abdullah, he passes the eye test easily, but I haven't seen enough from him to care if he stays or goes.

I picked Keift over Kooistra because the Bengals determined they needed to spend a draft pick on a backup tackle prospect despite the fact that they had Kooistra and knew what to expect. I admit that's pretty thin, but there it is.

In regards to the TE's I kept all of the current players in part because the Bengals have said they were satisfied with them, did very little in regards to a possible upgrade, and my own belief that the lack of production is due to a preference for multiple WR sets as much as a lack of talent. But Andrews or another prospect unseating Stewart wouldn't prompt so much as a shrug from me, and if it happens it'll probably be the first and last time anyone bothers talking about it....until next years draft.

DontPushMe · May 23, 2005

Keift was a great pick, and a big steal when we got him. There is no way Wilkerson makes the team and Keift doesnt. Kooistra AND Keift will both make the team, Wilkerson i dont think will

Kazkal · May 23, 2005

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187677

To me nate doesn't really seem that impresive...+ we have landon johnson who had a far better rookie year then nate has ever had period and odell thurman so things aren't looking good for webster.

DontPushMe · May 23, 2005

Everything is stats to you guys. Jeez, watch the games!

I dont think Webster will be on the team this year, and i openly criticized the signing of him, but looking at his stats doesnt tell anything. If you opinion isnt arrived at by watching the player play, its an invalid opinion.

Kazkal · May 23, 2005

I know stats don't mean everything but seeing how I live in oregon I don't catch alot of buc games so it's all I have to go with.but why would we draft odell if we were gonna count on Nate or why sit landon who had a great rookie year.

HairOnFire · May 23, 2005

If you opinion is arrived at by watching the player play, its an invalid opinion.

Pushy, try to settle down. Take your meds. Think happy thoughts. Whistle a tune or two. Reach down and get a grip with both hands and then admit you didn't mean to say the above.

I've got to admit that Pushy posts remind me of a comic strip that I always ignore called Cathy. Or is it Kathy? Regardless, big drops of sweat flying off in all directions. Frequent and loud utterings of...Gaaaakkk! Plus lots of shopping bags and buyers remorse.

HairOnFire · May 23, 2005

but why would we draft odell if we were gonna count on Nate or why sit landon who had a great rookie year.

Perhaps the writing is truly on the wall for Webster, and I'm simply refusing to read it.

However, I think it's quite possible the Bengals haven't given up on Webster and the drafting of Thurman is justified in no small part due to his own talent, but also in large measure due to the uncertainty associated with Websters injury. If Webster can't be ready at the start of the season then so be it...he'll have to be stashed...a move I'll strongly support as long as the doctors feel he'll regain his health if given more time.

Last, Landon Johnson isn't going to sit, there are plenty of reps to around, but I think he was drafted to play the weakside....not the middle.

Bobcat Bengal · May 23, 2005

Yeah, I have a hard time believing that they're just willing to fling Webster off to the side so quickly, especially considering they signed him to a handsome deal the minute Free Agency was initiated.

Keift and Wilkerson are gonna make the squad.

Moore will be shown the exit.

K2 will make the team, but this is his last year.

KiLBurn · May 29, 2005

The original post has been updated to reflect the recent cuts.

7 less people you gotta worry about...

Edited June 20, 2005 by KiLBurn

KiLBurn · June 20, 2005

Ok, so I missed on Abdullah, so far.

No clue which of the 3 remaining LB's take his place until Nate comes back in week 6.

HairOnFire · June 21, 2005

I picked Webster over Abdullah due to my belief that Webster was signed to be a starter and is more highly thought of overall. I'm not convinced the Bengals are writing Webster off yet, and I decided not to split burning hairs over whether he was stashed on PUP or IR. And I don't see him being cut unless doctors determine his career is likely over. Plus liked what I saw in limited action last season. As for Abdullah, he passes the eye test easily, but I haven't seen enough from him to care if he stays or goes.

So far so good. I didn't see Webster's reworked contract coming, but it works for me. As for Abdullah, I was right.....when the axe fell I found I didn't care.

KiLBurn · August 30, 2005

Missed on Roberts too...

TJJackson · August 30, 2005

Everything is stats to you guys. If you opinion isnt arrived at by watching the player play, its an invalid opinion.

If your opinion is arrived at after reading a DPM post

-or-

if you are DPM

it's an invalid opinion

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