The Big Orange Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I would say with a star, and perhaps a super star in Zampese, if Bratkowski can't make our offense a top 10 this year, we have to give Zampese a shot. He's just too good. Way better than Bratkowski in my opinion. We are really, really lucky we didn't lose him this year.How I rate our coachesMarvin Lewis Head Coach APaul Alexander Assistant head coach/offensive line A-Jim Anderson Running backs A-Bob Bratkowski Offensive coordinator BChuck Bresnahan Defensive coordinator unknown Kevin Coyle Secondary coach B+Jonathan Hayes Tight ends CJay Hayes Defensive line C+Ricky Hunley Linebackers B-Hue Jackson Wide receivers AChip Morton Strength and conditioning B+Darrin Simmons Special teams AKen Zampese Quarterbacks A+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 arrgh are these pics really necessary and/or germaine in any way, shape or form to the discussion of the Bengals?c'mon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 I would say with a star, and perhaps a super star in Zampese, if Bratkowski can't make our offense a top 10 this year, we have to give Zampese a shot. He's just too good. Way better than Bratkowski in my opinion. We are really, really lucky we didn't lose him this year.How I rate our coachesMarvin Lewis Head Coach APaul Alexander Assistant head coach/offensive line A-Jim Anderson Running backs A-Bob Bratkowski Offensive coordinator BChuck Bresnahan Defensive coordinator unknown Kevin Coyle Secondary coach B+Jonathan Hayes Tight ends CJay Hayes Defensive line C+Ricky Hunley Linebackers B-Hue Jackson Wide receivers AChip Morton Strength and conditioning B+Darrin Simmons Special teams AKen Zampese Quarterbacks A+ Someday Zampese will be offered a job as an OC somewhere else. I would hate to lose him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Marvin Lewis - Head Coach BHe is turning the team around, but we still don't have a winning season. I can't give him an A yet.Bob Bratkowski - Offensive Coordinator BWe've scored points, and despite a banged up oline last year we weren't that bad. Yes, he can be predictable, but that's because he has used a simplified playbook for two years in a row. Now that Carson is in the system for a second season, I expect to see marked improvement.Paul Alexander - Offensive Line D Give me a break. The only offensive linemen he has made good with were guys that were high picks. Guys picked in later rounds that needed to be coached up have been utter failures.Jim Anderson - Running Backs AAnderson consistantly gives us a good running attack without first round picks. (Yes, Chris Perry was a 1st rounder, but he hasn't given us anything yet).Jonathan Hayes - Tight Ends DIf you can't teach Matt to block or Reggie to catch, or convince the coaching staff to get you a real tight end, you don't deserve a job. Our tight ends are our weakest link.Hue Jackson - Wide Receivers A-I almost give him an A, but I want to see what he can do with Chris Henry first. He has done a great job with TJ and CJ, Washington is doing what is expected of a wideout in his first and second years, and we will see what he does with Henry and Washington this year. I'm betting he gets it done.Ken Zampese - Quarterbacks BYes, Carson is doing well, but he was a 1st round pick, big name, we knew he was going to be great draft pick. You expect him to not be good? I know we have been living in Cincinnati a long time, and have seen a large number of these kinds of picks flop, but the success of Palmer cannot be attributed to Zampese alone.Chuck Bresnahan - Defensive Coordinator BYes, we can't be sure of what he's going to do as a coordinator, but I'm grading him on the improvement of our secondary, despite injury, and his role in the 3rd down work last year. He made a difference.Kevin Coyle - Secondary AMakes due with guys who aren't known commodities. Was able to cross train guys so they can play anywhere in the secondary. Based on what Madieu Williams alone did last year, he gets an A. Jay Hayes - Defensive Line CGets a C for now, but if Askew and Geathers do what I expect, and show they would have been first day picks this year if they had stayed in school another season, he can improve dramatically. Teach these guys to tackle and you don't get a C.Ricky Hunley - Linebackers C+Landon Johnson and Brian Simmons got you out of the doghouse. The rest of your guys, including Hardy, got you an F.Chip Morton - Strength and Conditioning BI have to blame some of the injuries last year on strength and conditioning, but having said that, I have to give the same credit for the lack of injuries the year prior.Darrin Simmons - Special Teams BOk, part of his grade might be due to Marvin Lewis, since Marvin has given him more weapons on special teams, but Larson was supposed to be a project and did damned well last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Brat's not going anywhere. Ranked by points scored, the Bengals offense was in the top 10 (at no. 10) last year. Brat takes a pummeling from those who'd like to see more catches from the TE position and a bigger commitment to running the ball, but really, I think he's done a good job given what he's had to work with: we've never had a good all-around TE since he's come aboard; his QBs have been the limited and inconsistent Kitna and the rookie Palmer; and the ground game has been led first by the talented but attitude-hampered Dillon, and now by Rudi, who is a durable workhorse but lacks the explosive potential of our former starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Paul Alexander - Offensive Line D Give me a break. The only offensive linemen he has made good with were guys that were high picks. Guys picked in later rounds that needed to be coached up have been utter failures. Alexander is a D at best. I don't understand what Marvin sees in this guy. I really don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom42 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Brat's not going anywhere. Ranked by points scored, the Bengals offense was in the top 10 (at no. 10) last year. Brat takes a pummeling from those who'd like to see more catches from the TE position and a bigger commitment to running the ball, but really, I think he's done a good job given what he's had to work with: we've never had a good all-around TE since he's come aboard; his QBs have been the limited and inconsistent Kitna and the rookie Palmer; and the ground game has been led first by the talented but attitude-hampered Dillon, and now by Rudi, who is a durable workhorse but lacks the explosive potential of our former starter. Brat's offensive philosophy is pretty much joined at the hip with Dennis Erickson, and througout their partnership at Wyoming, Eastern Washington, Washington State, Miami and Seattle, all of Erickson's teams has shown lots of offensive fireworks, except in cases of major injuries or lack of talent.Catches from the TE aren't a feature of this kind of offense, but good blocking on the strong side is, a necessity when running the preferred one back set. I can see their point, why not put in a 3rd WR, rather than have a big TE who isn't going to create the same matchup problems while running a drag route underneath? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 If our defense is even slightly good this year, our offense will most likely not be top 10 in scoring. We were top 10 in scoring last year because of games like the Cleveland game, where we had to run the score up because we couldn't stop anybody. If we get out to 10-14 point leads, we will start running the ball a lot more, and the scoring will dwindle. I'm not saying we don't have the talent to be #1, we do. We just won't have those kind of statistics, because Indianapolis defense forces Manning to throe 5 TD's a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Brat's not going anywhere. Ranked by points scored, the Bengals offense was in the top 10 (at no. 10) last year. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 It's all about wins and losses. The rankings will take care of themselves. I think in '01 we had a top 10 defense but only won 6 games, so being top 10 doesn't guarantee us a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Paul Alexander - Offensive Line D Give me a break. The only offensive linemen he has made good with were guys that were high picks. Guys picked in later rounds that needed to be coached up have been utter failures.Alexander is a D at best. I don't understand what Marvin sees in this guy. I really don't. you guys are nuts. first off, we've always had a great running game. 2nd off, we've never had a great QB and once we have one now...hes protected. he didnt get sacked THAT much as a rookie qb last year. you guys need to get off the drugs or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Paul Alexander - Offensive Line D Give me a break. The only offensive linemen he has made good with were guys that were high picks. Guys picked in later rounds that needed to be coached up have been utter failures.Alexander is a D at best. I don't understand what Marvin sees in this guy. I really don't. you guys are nuts. first off, we've always had a great running game. 2nd off, we've never had a great QB and once we have one now...hes protected. he didnt get sacked THAT much as a rookie qb last year. you guys need to get off the drugs or something. No, Alexander needs to get off drugs. He's the one who can't do a damned thing with a prospect. Of our starters, how many weren't first day picks?Willie Anderson - 1st Round, 10th pick in the draft Eric Steinbach - 2nd Round, 1st pickLevi Jones - 1st Round, 10th pick in the draftRich Braham - Drafted elsewhere, veteran free agentBobby Williams - Drafted elsewhere, veteran free agentWow, Alexander sure has done great with developing our offensive line, and that's his job. His job is to coach up guys like Kooistra, Sulfsted, etc., you know, the guys that Willie Anderson says "s**t, we're fubar if these losers have to play, I'd rather play with a busted up knee, a busted up leg, and put off the surgery I should be getting now until after the season so we don't go 0-16" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 We have a tight-ends coach?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Paul Alexander - Offensive Line D Give me a break. The only offensive linemen he has made good with were guys that were high picks. Guys picked in later rounds that needed to be coached up have been utter failures.Alexander is a D at best. I don't understand what Marvin sees in this guy. I really don't. Ummm, Alexander isn't here to hold hands. He's not here to make all-stars out of everyone... there's a reason we have a depth chart with non-starters; or why they're not picked in the earlier rounds.You know though, it's actually nice to have the entire line as the same group of people instead of playing musical lineman every season. Just MHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 "Chuck Bresnahan Defensive coordinator unknown "I'd give him a A+ for his work with the raiders though for bengals who knows hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Paul Alexander - Offensive Line D Give me a break. The only offensive linemen he has made good with were guys that were high picks. Guys picked in later rounds that needed to be coached up have been utter failures.Alexander is a D at best. I don't understand what Marvin sees in this guy. I really don't. you guys are nuts. first off, we've always had a great running game. 2nd off, we've never had a great QB and once we have one now...hes protected. he didnt get sacked THAT much as a rookie qb last year. you guys need to get off the drugs or something. Just think what our Defense would look like if we didn't have to spend so many high draft picks on the damn offensive line. Jim McNally made a living off of developing 6th round draft picks into quality linemen. I guess we were just spoiled.I still can't get over Alexander's preseason 2002 statement that he finally had his dream line. His dream line went on to allow 14 sacks in the first 4 games. Again, other than 1st day picks, who has he developed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Paul Alexander - Offensive Line D Give me a break. The only offensive linemen he has made good with were guys that were high picks. Guys picked in later rounds that needed to be coached up have been utter failures.Alexander is a D at best. I don't understand what Marvin sees in this guy. I really don't. you guys are nuts. first off, we've always had a great running game. 2nd off, we've never had a great QB and once we have one now...hes protected. he didnt get sacked THAT much as a rookie qb last year. you guys need to get off the drugs or something. Drugs are bad mmmmkay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Jay Hayes - Defensive Line CGets a C for now, but if Askew and Geathers do what I expect, and show they would have been first day picks this year if they had stayed in school another season, he can improve dramatically. Teach these guys to tackle and you don't get a C."F" ==> I wouldn't give him a passing grade . . . our D-line has been the weak link on this team for far too long. Our lineman only get tackles after a 5 yard rush, opposing quarterbacks have a week and a day to pick our secondary apart, and our stunts almost never work. If we didn't blitz, the opposing QB would never get dirty.Marvin, it's time to say goodbye to the Hayes brothers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 His job is to coach up guys like Kooistra, Sulfsted, etc., And he is. But all those guys were drafted as depth, not eventual starters. If we happen to find a starter late, that's great. But the fact is that teams have always taken top linemen, especially tackles, early and often. In the last five drafts, there have been 6 tackles taken in the top 10 picks. Between 91 and 95, there were 7 tackles taken in the collective top 10, and from 81-85, also 7 tackles, plus 2 guards. Even more have been taken if you expand out to look at the whole first day. The days of Jim McNally going out and finding some 12th round guy and making him a starter are long dead. Even McNally can't do it any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Orange Posted May 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 We have a tight-ends coach?!! LOL kirk...he didn't make it as an O-line coach so all he teaches our guys to do is block!?!Great point about Coyle putting whomever together and making them work. He had to do a patchwork on the secondary last year and we weren't exposed too badly...as did the LB coach, but he didn't do as well as our LB's were blamed for most of the lack of run defense by ML...or was it the play calling by a predictable and unispiring and lack of courageous effort by Frazier?This one's for you Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPappaw Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Paul Alexander - Offensive Line D Give me a break. The only offensive linemen he has made good with were guys that were high picks. Guys picked in later rounds that needed to be coached up have been utter failures.Alexander is a D at best. I don't understand what Marvin sees in this guy. I really don't.I agree!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Paul Alexander - Offensive Line D Give me a break. The only offensive linemen he has made good with were guys that were high picks. Guys picked in later rounds that needed to be coached up have been utter failures.Amen. Screw the Alexander man love the others are confessing for him - name ONE SINGLE mid-round lineman that has developed properly here or has been worth noting? Not a single freakin' one and Alexander was LAUGHED AT by players when he was first here for a few years due to his incompetence...that doesn't mean he hasn't adjusted and gotten better...but none of his draft picks have yet to play to their potential - including Levi (who is swinging door half the time and a bit overrated).Jim Anderson has a lot to do with the running game - when you have Dillon and Rudi and some great WR's in a 3-step drop offense that is all about timing and getting rid of the ball quickly it protects your QB from getting hammered. Palmer didn't get banged up last year because he had such great protection and Rudi barely had any holes to run through.The man love for Alexander must stop! Quit overrating this o-line! They are very average! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Wrong. The Giants went to the Super Bowl with three undrafted Free Agents on their starting offensive line. His patch work OL in Buffalo was also responsible for Willis McGahee going crazy last year. IMO McNally ranks right up there with Joe Bugel as one of the best OL coaches ever. It is not fair to compare Alexander to one of the greats, but Paul has to look up to see below average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Wrong. The Giants went to the Super Bowl with three undrafted Free Agents on their starting offensive line. His patch work OL in Buffalo was also responsible for Willis McGahee going crazy last year. The last time their Giants went to the Super Bowl (which was the only trip they made to the big dance while McNally was there) their starting o-line was LT Lomas Brown (1st round' date=' Lions), LG Glenn Parker (3rd, Bills), C Dusty Zeigler (6th, Bills), RG Ron Stone (4th, Cowboys) and RT Luke Petitgout (1st, Giants). So let me get this straight: McNally comes aboard in 1993, and after six years of work his team goes to the Super Bowl with one recent first round pick and four free agents...and this is a sign of his prowess [i']developing players?As for his success in Buffalo, McGahee was right in the middle of the pack rushing last year (14th). Nothing wrong with that, but hardly the stuff of coaching legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted May 17, 2005 Report Share Posted May 17, 2005 Thanks BOThe Santa Claus one I can deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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