Seahawks Sign Sharper

[membengal]

Ah well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

You forgot the at the end, too...

Sorry, I don't do the smiley things...

Btw, I still say we had a better than 0% chance joisey... :-) (is that how it works?)

[bengals7833]

The bengals are pathetic. i didnt think they would sign sharper, because i thought he would be to expensive, but give me a break. You are telling me we couldnt match that. Next season we will have a very productive offense, but our Defense will suck. We will continue to get ran all over. nothing has changed, o wait i forgot we resigned powel and brought in robinson, by the way no one on this board has ever heard of him so how good can he actually be. We have a good secondary. o d-line is awful, this is the same d-line that cleveland ran all over two years ago when they actually started a d-tackle on offense, but wait we did sign that stud robinson. We have two good linebackers in simmons and johnson, but that is it. dont give me hardy, abdullah, or miller. Dont get me wrong i love marvin. he has done great things in cincy, but to make the next step they need a defense. we have a offense with a lot of good to great players and our defense has at best acouple of decent players. Its just sad that every year every big free agent comes to visit and leaves,but finally we have great chance to sign one and we dont because we cant match that sorry offer the seahawks gave.

by the way what the hell did we actually offer??????????????

[HoosierCat]

OK, I say we move the debate to this:

Should we trust Marvin? Or should we question this?

I'll go with, question this.

Didn't we give 3,000-year-old Richmond Webb something like $9 million over three years not so long ago? Something like $3 million to sign and 1-2-3 in salary? Wouldn't that have hit the $4 million in year-one comp Sharper was looking for?

Heck, I dunno, details are still too sketchy. But. I have a hard time seeing this one as Marvin's call...so far...

[cincy9275]

the bengals low ball another good player that could haved helped us . this really tells me that the bengals are not very serious in buliding a winner but just to stay average. this is pathetic it not the fact they did not sign him it is the fact that we had a chance to improve our very bad defense and we sat on our hands. typical bengals this is why we get no respect same ol bengals bullcrap

[HairOnFire]

...shoot, forget about the Bengals, at that price 30 other teams would have jumped in...that's only about double vet minimum for Sharper...

And what should it tell us that the incredible interest in Sharper never really materialized? For all of the talk about 8 teams being interested it always felt like a two horse race. And more to the point, for all of the talk about big money contracts...nobody stepped up. Nobody bothered cherry picking. Sharper ends up signing for a little bit of nothing.

Before anyone blows a forehead...remember the Sapp deal. We've still got a healthy supply of steamed Bengal fans due to that presumed fiasco, but in the end the real fiasco was felt by the team that eventually signed him for too much money. Too many fans choose to forget that Sapp couldn't play worth a lick last season, proving the Bengals correct for refusing to offer more than they were comfortable paying. Might this one play out the same?

I admit I'm a little disappointed. But here's the rub. Marvin never showed the interest level any of us expected and nobody has a better feel for what Sharper could offer...as well as his current limitations...than Lewis.

That said, blast away. It's expected. But let's try to aim this time.

[HoosierCat]

Ah well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

You forgot the at the end, too...

Sorry, I don't do the smiley things...

Btw, I still say we had a better than 0% chance joisey... :-) (is that how it works?)

Naw, you have to use colons...or click the damn things in the reply screen.

I assumed you were being sarcastic. If you were serious, I'll assume you're drunk. Miller? Did you see him "play" last year? He stunk. Webster? Who knows if he'll ever be on the field again. Hardy? Done and done. Abdullah? Hasn't done anything outside of STs so far. Of all the backers you mention only Landon has shown he's worth spit...and we need three starters and him & Simmons = 2. And backups? :lol: Why do you think Hobson is going on about LBs in the draft now?

I saw where Marvin says they may not go center until day two...makes sense if they have to take 2-3 LBs on day one...

[bengals7833]

...shoot, forget about the Bengals, at that price 30 other teams would have jumped in...that's only about double vet minimum for Sharper...

. And more to the point, for all of the talk about big money contracts...nobody stepped up. Nobody bothered cherry picking. Sharper ends up signing for a little bit of nothing.

Before anyone blows a forehead...remember the Sapp deal. We've still got a healthy supply of steamed Bengal fans due to that presumed fiasco, but in the end the real fiasco was felt by the team that eventually signed him for too much money. Too many fans choose to forget that Sapp couldn't play worth a lick last season, proving the Bengals correct for refusing to offer more than they were comfortable paying. Might this one play out the same?

I admit I'm a little disappointed. But here's the rub. Marvin never showed the interest level any of us expected and nobody has a better feel for what Sharper could offer...as well as his current limitations...than Lewis.

That said, blast away. It's expected. But let's try to aim this time.

And what should it tell us that the incredible interest in Sharper never really materialized? For all of the talk about 8 teams being interested it always felt like a two horse race

no other teams stepped up because the fact it is so late in free agency. not many teams had money to spend.

[Kirkendall]

The bengals are pathetic. i didnt think they would sign sharper, because i thought he would be to expensive, but give me a break. You are telling me we couldnt match that. Next season we will have a very productive offense, but our Defense will suck. We will continue to get ran all over. nothing has changed, o wait i forgot we resigned powel and brought in robinson, by the way no one on this board has ever heard of him so how good can he actually be. We have a good secondary. o d-line is awful, this is the same d-line that cleveland ran all over two years ago when they actually started a d-tackle on offense, but wait we did sign that stud robinson. We have two good linebackers in simmons and johnson, but that is it. dont give me hardy, abdullah, or miller. Dont get me wrong i love marvin. he has done great things in cincy, but to make the next step they need a defense. we have a offense with a lot of good to great players and our defense has at best acouple of decent players. Its just sad that every year every big free agent comes to visit and leaves,but finally we have great chance to sign one and we dont because we cant match that sorry offer the seahawks gave.

by the way what the hell did we actually offer??????????????

I hear you man. We won't know what we offered, that information is privlaged and we're not privlaged.

But. I have a hard time seeing this one as Marvin's call...so far... dry.gif

JC -- Same here. Marvin wanted him, Blackburn and Brown probably nixed the deal or set a price not to go over. It took Sharper a long time to sign this, I wonder if he was just waiting for the Bengals to counter?

Before anyone blows a forehead...remember the Sapp deal. We've still got a healthy supply of steamed Bengal fans due to that presumed fiasco, but in the end the real fiasco was felt by the team that eventually signed him for too much money.

Hindsight is 20/20. And that was different because Sapp was offered a crazy $$ contract. This $$ contract is what we're fumed about.

Marvin never showed the interest level any of us expected and nobody has a better feel for what Sharper could offer...as well as his current limitations...than Lewis.

He never does. We don't hear much about anything until another team signs someone else or Hobson takes the time to calls the player in question's agent.

[HoosierCat]

I admit I'm a little disappointed. But here's the rub. Marvin never showed the interest level any of us expected and nobody has a better feel for what Sharper could offer...as well as his current limitations...than Lewis.

Assuming, of course, that Marvin had the final word.

BTW, that blanket finally dried out...if you want it back let me know .

[BengalszoneBilly]

I know Kirk but something just doesn't seem right. We pulled back or went low for some reason.

Could it possibly be that the one and only man who learned from first hand knowlege while coaching him earlier in his career, what Sharpers potential and abilities were actually worth, not to mention his true value to the team? Marvin offered what he thought the guy was worth to the Bengals. Does anyone here personally know Sharper more closely than Coach Lewis? If not, then why do you think you insist you know we made a mistake in our offer to him?

If Marvin starts publicly pitchin' a fit, or appears obviously upset over not signing a player he thought they should have, then I'll remove my "panties," and wad them up into the appropriate size as specified by Coach Lewis. That didn't happen with the Sapp deal during the last off season, and it won't happen here either.

[Kirkendall]

Does anyone here personally know Sharper more closely than Coach Lewis? If not, then why do you think you insist you know we made a mistake in our offer to him?

That's obviously something we won't know.

That didn't happen with the Sapp deal during the last off season, and it won't happen here either.

Sapp was different. Sapp's contract to Oakland was HUGE! Over-paid. Sapp was a personality problem, conflict within the team -- Marvin admited as much. None of which, from my understanding apply to this.

[oldschooler]

Marvin Lewis is friends with Sharper off the field.

But business is business...if Marvin didn`t think he was

worth more than they offered ...then so be it...

I`m fine with that. He hasn`t let me down yet.

And people saying s**t about "the same ole Bungles"

or "Mike Brow did it"...well that burns my ass about like

a waist high flame .

[Kirkendall]

And people saying s**t about "the same ole Bungles"

or "Mike Brow did it"...well that burns my ass about like

a waist high flame .

All good. People are allowed their opinions.

[HoosierCat]

Could it possibly be that the one and only man who learned from first hand knowlege while coaching him earlier in his career, what Sharpers potential and abilities were actually worth, not to mention his true value to the team?

Could it be that the team is just cheap and Marvin is just being the good soldier...after all, he's young and may find other opportunities down the road...?

It would be a lot easier to dismiss that if this were a big $$$ deal but it isn't...

[HoosierCat]

And people saying s**t about "the same ole Bungles"

or "Mike Brow did it"...well that burns my ass about like

a waist high flame .

My bad. Aim's lousy tonight for some reason, I'll try to get the muzzle of the flamethrow up higher next time...

[Kirkendall]

This thread is officially called the Pissed off Bengals fan thread!

[HoosierCat]

This thread is officially called the Pissed off Bengals fan thread!

By your command...

(edited slightly for family-friendliness )

[oldschooler]

And people saying s**t about "the same ole Bungles"

or "Mike Brow did it"...well that burns my ass about like

a waist high flame . 

All good. People are allowed their opinions.

Yeah they are...and my ass is allowed to burn from them.

Mike Brown was taught how to run an nfl team from his Dad (The Legend)

The players that were "busts" were high on every teams draft board.

And for every 1st round bust...look at the later round gems.

The Bengals had 4 coaches in the 13 years prior to Lewis` hiring.

That is a coach roughly every 4 years. So it`s not like he was happy

with the "status quo".

Anyway Mike Brown tried to run a team the way he was

shown all of his life to run a team...now he has hired

Marvin Lewis and handed him the reigns...Marvin has the final say

so on this team. If he REALLY wanted Shaprer for what the Seahawks

signed him for then he WOULD have gotten him...BELIEVE THAT !

[oldschooler]

Could it possibly be that the one and only man who learned from first hand knowlege while coaching him earlier in his career, what Sharpers potential and abilities were actually worth, not to mention his true value to the team?

Could it be that the team is just cheap and Marvin is just being the good soldier...after all, he's young and may find other opportunities down the road...?

It would be a lot easier to dismiss that if this were a big $$$ deal but it isn't...

They are $4 million under a $85 million cap and

still haven`t signed Braham or their draft picks !

How the hell does THAT = cheap ?

[Kirkendall]

And people saying s**t about "the same ole Bungles"

or "Mike Brow did it"...well that burns my ass about like

a waist high flame . 

All good. People are allowed their opinions.

Yeah they are...and my ass is allowed to burn from them.

Mike Brown was taught how to run an nfl team from his Dad (The Legend)

The players that were "busts" were high on every teams draft board.

And for every 1st round bust...look at the later round gems.

The Bengals had 4 coaches in the 13 years prior to Lewis` hiring.

That is a coach roughly every 4 years. So it`s not like he was happy

with the "status quo".

Like having Jeff Query as your best WR? Can anyone explain the Akili Smith pick? What about passing up the Saints ENTIRE draft class just to move up a few sports. Chris, you want to chime in on that one?

I think it's also telling that all the head coaches the Bengals post-Wyche and pre-Lewis, haven't become head coaches again. Perhaps that's a result of the players, but then again BROWN signs and draft the players.

[HoosierCat]

If he REALLY wanted Shaprer for what the Seahawks

signed him for then he WOULD have gotten him...BELIEVE THAT !

Tough to do. The money as reported so far simply isn't that big. And if you want to say that Marvin thought Sharper's skills had take that big a dive...why the pursuit in the first place? It isn't like a visit to Cincy would have told him that; that's a matter of film study.

If Marvin had thought that Sharper wasn't worth more than a chump change offer...he never would have came to Cincy...

[HairOnFire]

Assuming, of course, that Marvin had the final word.

If you guys really don't believe that Marvin has the control needed to make what turned out to be a modest FA signing then maybe we should change his nickname from Black Jesus to.....Token.

Again, I'm disappointed this team didn't get Sharper, but I have to remind myself that I've questioned the level of interest shown by the Bengals from day one. There has to be a reason for that and it's just possible that it's something other than....Mike Brown.

Hey, here's an idea. Since Marvin spoke about it immediately after the news broke, let's all agree to keep our foreheads intact until we see what transpires in the draft.

[schweinhart]

Yeah 5 yr-$17.5 mill w/ a $1.5 mill SB

Who's the Ding Dong in charge of this outfit

[Kirkendall]

Hey, here's an idea. Since Marvin spoke about it immediately after the news broke, let's all agree to keep our foreheads intact until we see what transpires in the draft.

I guess so. I just hate it because we do that every year. OK, here I go... rah rah DRAFT!

[HoosierCat]

They are $4 million under a $85 million cap and

still haven`t signed Braham or their draft picks !

How the hell does THAT = cheap ?

What does any of that have to do with anything? Braham, thanks to the cap-hit-reduction for long-time vets will cost nothing. Cap space for rooks won't be needed until May or June...by which time they will have a much better read on injured and rehabbing players. No cuts of significance have been made, anyhow...Hardy, Reggie Kelly, and Warrick are among the bigger names (and costs) who may end up on the outs.

As I said a while back in another thread -- and I believe you agreed with me -- cap space is no excuse. The Bengals have enough space right now to sign anyone they want. It's a question of will...and right now the Bengals appear to have all the willpower of an overweight virgin in a house of ill repute.