turningpoint Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 It's almost been 6 months since he said he'd update this s**t....damn just close the site down.www.bengalscentral.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 It's almost been 6 months since he said he'd update this s**t....damn just clsoe the site down.www.bengalscentral.comMaybe Mr. Thorton has other things keeping him busy or maybe issues of great importance for John to be concerned about. Like working at keeping himself employed maybe!?! Last I checked he was an intregal part of what for the last few years was considered a rather "stinky" defensive line. Marvin has added a few new names last season, as well as a few people (and possibly more via the draft!) this offseason in hopes of removing said stink. If I was him, I'd be just a tad bit worried about keeping my starting JOB, or even a job altogether!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 i dont think he has to worry this year...we still need him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 i dont think he has to worry this year...we still need him.Okay jditty. I will concede he doesn't have to worry as much as the majority of others on the defensive unit. BUT...(hypothetically) if some young stud from this draft, or an earlier one really elevates his play during camp, and John Thortons drops off noticably for whatever reason, or isn't up to where Coach Lewis thinks it should be, he wouldn't hesitate to make the change. Especially if it was for the good of the team.Now that I think about this, wouldn't it be a trip to see such improvement of the defensive line by the end of next season that instead of looking at Thorton as the "Anchor", or the Bengals best overall defensive lineman. We just look at him simply as another one of our 4 or 5 very capable, equally talented member of an NFL top ten defense?Just ONE TIME in my freakin' life, I'd like the Bengals to have a defense that scares more s**t out of the other teams than the Cincinnati high powered offense does!! Maybe 2-3 shutout wins at PBS. Preferably 3. All coming against our division rivals would be nice. And most of all, just one more thing so I could die relatively happy... A DEFENSE THAT ALMOST ALWAYS ENSURES THAT THE BENGALS OFFENSE IS PLAYING WITHIN ONE SCORE, OR BETTER YET, WITH THE *** damn LEAD IN THE GAME INSTEAD OF IT USUALLY BEING THE OTHER WAY AROUND!! I'm just sick and tired of watching my team playing "catch-up" well into the 4th quarter over 80% of the time, and hoping for a miracle, 'cause that's WTF it's going to take to win. And would it kill anybody wearing stripes, and playing defense on a fall Sunday afternoon in Cincinnati, to treat the offense (not to mentions a few fans) to a cakewalk for once!?! You know...a lobsided "laffer" of a game that was over before halftime and your teams scrubbies play the whole 2nd half? C'mon. I know you guys have been in a few. Just not from the side that's doing the laughing. Try it one time. Laughing, instead of being laughed at, is a much better feeling. I just want to occasionally be able to turn the game off early in the 4th quarter with the Bengals leading by 10-14 points, and not be wondering the whole time in the back of my head, what new and inventive ways they may be finding to blow the game this time. Yeah, yeah...I know the defense doesn't lose every game for the Bengals, but Goddam it!! Doesn't ten freakin' years seem a bit long to go between shutouts!?! It sure as hell does to me. I say it's time for the defense to pick up the slack, and I can't think of a better head coach than Marvin Lewis to make this happen! :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 well we held the cowboys to 3 points last year, that's pretty damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 It's not Johns fault our defense sucked, it was the whole D that sucked.Calm down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 It's not Johns fault our defense sucked, it was the whole D that sucked.Calm down. I'm calm Chad. Just a little snit I got wrapped up in for a moment. I have confidence in Marvin, and with his choice of Bresnahan as the new defensive coordinator. I anticipate a substantial improvement, if not a full turn around for our defensive squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 well we held the cowboys to 3 points last year, that's pretty damn good. And Wanny and Butchie were gone shortly after we played them. That's got to stand for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 While I agree that our D leaves much to be desired, billy, let's not forget that like us fans, they are often sitting on their butts watching the game when the other team scores. How many times in just the past two years have we watched a Kitna or Palmer pick run back for a TD? Or had the D trot out on the field with the opposition already in FG range?Fun fact: over the last five seasons (2000-04 inclusive) Bengals QBs have thrown 84 TDs vs. 98 picks. Only twice in five years have they tossed more TDs than INTs, including last year's just-barely tally of 23 v. 22. Ove that time we've average 17 TDs and 20 INTs a season. I don't know what the fumble numbers are but I'll bet you if you factor those in we are pushing an average of 2 turnovers a game for the last five years.When your O is horking the ball up at that rate it gets real hard for the D real fast. One of the biggest reasons the Pats have been so successful is that Brady throws so few picks. Had Palamer tossed just a few fewer INTs -- and I'm not blaming the kid, he did great for his first time out -- we would have gone to the playoffs even with our crappy D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 17 TDs and 20 INTs a season.I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you didn't factor in the rushing TD's - Rudi himself had 12 of those alone last year - so that's 35 TD's to approximately 26 TO's if you include his 4 fumbles.I think 1 or 2 of those INT's were returned for TD's if that? Bottom line is the defense couldn't get off the field too often last year and finished 26th against the run. When the opposing team's controlling the clock you give your offense less opp's and your banged up defense wears down fast. The offense did it's job despite having a 1st year QB, and as Palmer improved over the course of the season so did the defense.It goes both ways like everything else and hopefully the new D-coordinator combined with some upgrades and more experience from the young guys will get them into the playoffs if Palmer doesn't go down again on offense. We'll have to see as always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 17 TDs and 20 INTs a season.I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you didn't factor in the rushing TD's - Rudi himself had 12 of those alone last year - so that's 35 TD's to approximately 26 TO's if you include his 4 fumbles.I think 1 or 2 of those INT's were returned for TD's if that? At least. As well as Rudi's fumble in the opener... But the appeal to the running game doesn't help much. We had 14 rushing TDs last year, putting our offensive total at 37. However, we had 10 total fumbles, which as I suspected puts us at an average of 2 turnovers a game (32).For the 2000-04 timeframe I used before, you can add 63 rushing TDs to the 84 passing ones to get to 147 scores. However, you also have to add in 62 fumbles, for a total of 160 turnovers...holding steady at that ugly 2 per game.Bottom line is that, for five seasons (at least) the offense has, on average, been more likely to turn the ball over than score. It's tough for me to come down on the defense for not being able to get off the field when half the problem is that the offense can't stay on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 And most of all, just one more thing so I could die relatively happy... A DEFENSE THAT ALMOST ALWAYS ENSURES THAT THE BENGALS OFFENSE IS PLAYING WITHIN ONE SCORE, OR BETTER YET, WITH THE *** damn LEAD IN THE GAME INSTEAD OF IT USUALLY BEING THE OTHER WAY AROUND!! I'm just sick and tired of watching my team playing "catch-up" well into the 4th quarter over 80% of the time, and hoping for a miracle, 'cause that's WTF it's going to take to win. GD gospel there, Mr. Broome....If and when the defense ever shows up for real on a consistent basis w/ killer instinct for all, everything would change.As for Thornton, if he could play every game like he did last year vs. Titans he'd be a real presence. He did log more time last year than 2003 so maybe he turns the corner all the way w/ Bryan Robinson by his side to help. Thornton has seemed just average to me and I'd like to see him become more a part of the solution to separate this D from the middle of the pack w/ a vastly, vastly improved run D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 I'm curious to see if Thornton's play improves now that he'll be lining up next to Justin Smith. Tony Williams ability to hold his ground really fell off the last two seasons, and it seemed like opposing teams were able to twist and seal off both Thornton and Williams whenever they wanted. Making matters worse for Thornton was playing between a declining Williams and the worst run defender on the Bengals D-line, Duane Clemons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 I think 1 or 2 of those INT's were returned for TD's if that? No, it was more than that, trust me on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 I'm with Billy on this one.I'm not blaming the defense or the offense,but it WOULD be nice to relax enjoy the 4th quarter,as Rudi piles up meaningless yards running out the clock with a three score lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 I'm with Billy on this one. schweinhart Posted on Apr 3 2005, 06:43 PM GD gospel there, Mr. Broome....If and when the defense ever shows up for real on a consistent basis w/ killer instinct for all, everything would change.Well that's two guy's for sure. Anybody else want to join my "Billy's Whine About Our Crappy Defense Club?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 I'm with Billy on this one.schweinhart Posted on Apr 3 2005, 06:43 PM GD gospel there, Mr. Broome....If and when the defense ever shows up for real on a consistent basis w/ killer instinct for all, everything would change.Well that's two guy's for sure. Anybody else want to join my "Billy's Whine About Our Crappy Defense Club?" Count me in on this one... As I stated in another thread, to think ALL of our problems on D can be addressed within, is not quite right. For all that went right and for all the year of experience gained, we still got ran the F**K over. Hoping Robinson can help with this issue and we can address ILB... If not Sharper, I now think our trade down is imminent and we take Thurman late in the first. Just my .02 cents for what it's worth. (That would be nothing )WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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