walzav29 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Got to give credit where credit's due. Lebeau had the draft class of 2001. Rudi, TJ, CJ, and J. Smith. Not too shabby. Superbowl winners this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I remember people saying that Smith was a fairly big reach at the 10 spot (he was #10, right?)I can't remember who else was available that year, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Actually, he was 4th. It wasn't seen so much as a reach, Smith was the consensus best DE available and seen as worth the pick, there were just questions about him being small for an NFL DE (the "tweener" thing) and how well he'd pan out. IMHO he's been solid, but not a game-changing player. A lot of people shout "bust" because of that, but I think that's fairly foolish. The fact is that very few picks, first or other, turn out to be superstars. Superstars are, by definition, rare. If you get a solid starter, you're ahead of the game.As for who else was around, well, Tomlinson went with the 5th pick, so we missed there. Could have dumped CD years ago. On the other hand, Gerard Warren went 3rd, so maybe we didn't do too badly after all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...und/round1.html1 Atlanta Falcons (from San Diego) Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech 2 Arizona Cardinals Leonard Davis OT Texas 3 Cleveland Browns Gerard Warren DT Florida 4 Cincinnati Bengals Justin Smith DE Missouri 5 San Diego Chargers (from Atlanta) LaDainian Tomlinson HB TCU 6 New England Patriots Richard Seymour DT Georgia 7 San Francisco 49ers (from Seattle) Andre Carter DE California 8 Chicago Bears David Terrell WR Michigan 9 Seattle Seahawks (from San Francisco) Koren Robinson WR North Carolina St. 10 Green Bay Packers (from Seattle) Jamal Reynolds DE Florida St. 11 Carolina Panthers Dan Morgan ILB Miami (FL) 12 St. Louis Rams (from Kansas City) Damione Lewis DT Miami (FL) 13 Jacksonville Jaguars Marcus Stroud DT Georgia 14 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Buffalo) Kenyatta Walker OT Florida 15 Washington Redskins Rod Gardner WR Clemson 16 New York Jets (from Pittsburgh) Santana Moss WR Miami (FL) 17 Seattle Seahawks (from Green Bay) Steve Hutchinson OG Michigan 18 Detroit Lions Jeff Backus OT Michigan 19 Pittsburgh Steelers (from New York Jets) Casey Hampton DT Texas 20 St. Louis Rams Adam Archuleta S Arizona St. 21 Buffalo Bills (from Tampa Bay) Nate Clements CB Ohio St. 22 New York Giants (from Indianapolis) Will Allen CB Syracuse 23 New Orleans Saints Deuce McAllister HB Ole Miss 24 Denver Broncos Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota 25 Philadelphia Eagles Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA 26 Miami Dolphins Jamar Fletcher CB Wisconsin 27 Minnesota Vikings Michael Bennett HB Wisconsin 28 Oakland Raiders Derrick Gibson S Florida St. 29 St. Louis Rams (from Tennessee) Ryan Pickett DT Ohio St. 30 Indianapolis Colts (from New York Giants) Reggie Wayne WR Miami (FL) 31 Baltimore Ravens Todd Heap TE Arizona St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted March 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Give me Smith over Jamal Reynolds or Andre Carter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Looking at that list Smith looks like a pretty good pick, eh?Michael VickSolid starter who should become a star when he figures out how to use his arm as well as his legs. Leonard DavisBust Gerard WarrenBust Justin SmithSolid starterLaDainian TomlinsonThe one bona-fide superstar in the top 10 Richard SeymourAnother solid starterAndre CarterSolid starter David TerrellBust Koren RobinsonA No. 2 guy Jamal ReynoldsBust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...und/round1.html 8 Chicago Bears David Terrell WR Michigan 15 Washington Redskins Rod Gardner WR Clemson 16 New York Jets (from Pittsburgh) Santana Moss WR Miami (FL) 25 Philadelphia Eagles Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA 30 Indianapolis Colts (from New York Giants) Reggie Wayne WR Miami (FL) Thank God all of these teams that picked a WR passed on CJ ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I seem to recall that they were pretty high on Kenyatta Walker that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TippCityRick Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I said it at the time and still agree, I'd have taken Seymour. But Justin has been a solid player and has held up against the run better than I thought he would.Overall, a very good draft helped by so many teams passing on Chad due to his off-the-field antics and attitude. Lebeau took a chance and it paid off. I remember watching the draft and cursing the pick of Chad in the second. Didn't feel we needed a receiver. Missed that one pretty badly, eh?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Looking at that list Smith looks like a pretty good pick, eh? I have absolutely no problems with Justin Smith. None. Even the rant that he wasn't worth the 4th pick in the draft leaves me cold. For those that disagree, try embracing the clarity that is hindsight and quickly pull from the list the full fist of names that are needed to prove that Smith didn't deserve to be considered at #4? Yup, Richard Seymour is the only name that pops out. For some others, Tomlinson might qualify, but the Bengals had seemingly very little need for a new RB due to the presence of Dillon. Without hindsight nobody would question the Bengals passing on LT. So really, what we're talking about here is coming to grips with the idea that if you knew then what you know now...well...there might have been one player who should have been selected over Smith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Um leonard davis wasn't a bust Joisey.. sorry buddy, He's gona be the starting LT for the cards this year, would of been a great G here....he was who iwanted that year.Anyways most people thought we'd take kenyetta walker....thank god that didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...und/round1.html 8 Chicago Bears David Terrell WR Michigan 15 Washington Redskins Rod Gardner WR Clemson 16 New York Jets (from Pittsburgh) Santana Moss WR Miami (FL) 25 Philadelphia Eagles Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA 30 Indianapolis Colts (from New York Giants) Reggie Wayne WR Miami (FL) Thank God all of these teams that picked a WR passed on CJ ! Cle also took quincy Morgan with the 33rd pick.Chad went 34th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I seem to recall that they were pretty high on Kenyatta Walker that year. They were linked to him by every draft rumor due to their incredible need for a LT, but the Bengals interest in Walker completely evaporated the moment the saw his workout. I'm not kidding, I never witnessed a flicker of interest in Walker shown by the Bengals after that day. Why? Well, after the draft the Bengals spoke openly about Walker's lack of strength and technique. Give 'em credit, they saw something they didn't like that day and ended up drafting a solid starter at DE instead of a marginal OLT prospect who played a position of need so dire that most experts felt would be impossible to ignore any longer. In fact, at the time most "draft experts" downgraded the Bengals entire draft due to the selection of Justin Smith...bringing up the matter of his being worthy of his draft position for the first time...precisely because picking Smith meant passing on Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I think that Mike Brown was pretty high on Drew Brees. I wonder if we would have taken him if he was still on the board.It is funny to look at the list and see who has panned out and who has not. When I read some of these names, I can't help hearing Mel Kiper's voice in my head debating the value of these guys. I wonder if the guys in the scouting department or player personnel group ever go back and compare their draft lists, the actual draft sequence and then see how a player actually has done. It seems like somehow you might be able to use it as a guide in future drafts. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...und/round2.htmlRound 2-2001 DraftThis Round / Overall Pick / Team / Player / Pos / School 1 32 San Diego Chargers Drew Brees QB Purdue 2 33 Cleveland Browns Quincy Morgan WR Kansas St. 3 34 Arizona Cardinals Kyle Vanden Bosch DE Nebraska 4 35 Atlanta Falcons Alge Crumpler TE North Carolina 5 36 Cincinnati Bengals Chad Johnson WR Oregon St. 6 37 Indianapolis Colts (from Dallas) Idrees Bashir S Memphis 7 38 Chicago Bears Anthony Thomas FB Michigan 8 39 Pittsburgh Steelers (from New England) Kendrell Bell ILB Georgia 9 40 Seattle Seahawks Ken Lucas CB Ole Miss 10 41 Green Bay Packers (from San Francisco) Robert Ferguson WR Texas A&M 11 42 St. Louis Rams (from Kansas City) Tommy Polley OLB Florida St. 12 43 Jacksonville Jaguars Maurice Williams OT Michigan 13 44 Carolina Panthers Kris Jenkins DT Maryland 14 45 Washington Redskins Fred Smoot CB Mississippi St. 15 46 Buffalo Bills Aaron Schobel DE TCU 16 47 San Francisco 49ers (from Green Bay) Jamie Winborn ILB Vanderbilt 17 48 New England Patriots (from Detroit) Matt Light OT Purdue 18 49 New York Jets LaMont Jordan HB Maryland 19 50 Detroit Lions (from New England) Dominic Raiola C Nebraska 20 51 Denver Broncos (from Buffalo) Paul Toviessi DE Marshall 21 52 Miami Dolphins (from Dallas) Chris Chambers WR Wisconsin 22 53 Dallas Cowboys (from New Orleans) Quincy Carter QB Georgia 23 54 Arizona Cardinals (from St. Louis) Michael Stone CB Memphis 24 55 Philadelphia Eagles Quinton Caver OLB Arkansas 25 56 Dallas Cowboys (from Miami) Tony Dixon S Alabama 26 57 Minnesota Vikings Willie Howard DT Stanford 27 58 Buffalo Bills (from Denver) Travis Henry HB Tennessee 28 59 Oakland Raiders Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington 29 60 Tennessee Titans Andre Dyson CB Utah 30 61 Detroit Lions (from New York Giants) Shaun Rogers DT Texas 31 62 Baltimore Ravens Gary Baxter CB Baylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 #61 Detroit Lions (from New York Giants) Shaun Rogers DT Texas Wow, didn't realize he went that far in the 2nd.WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Kris Jenkins too That would have ended the DT talk. But I don't think anyone can argue with the Chad pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Kris Jenkins too That would have ended the DT talk. But I don't think anyone can argue with the Chad pick Nope.Besides, WR's are far more sexier than some DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Um leonard davis wasn't a bust Joisey.. sorry buddy, He's gona be the starting LT for the cards this year Hey, Rod Jones was a starting LT once too...didn't mean he was any good. Read a piece a few weeks back detailing Davis' history of sucking in 'zona, I'll see if I can dig it up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-U-D-I Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Dang, funny thing is overall the second rounders look like better players than the first rounders that year. Funny how the proverbial "potential" will take a bunch of career nobody's and make them first round millionaires... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Um leonard davis wasn't a bust Joisey.. sorry buddy, He's gona be the starting LT for the cards this yearHey, Rod Jones was a starting LT once too...didn't mean he was any good. Read a piece a few weeks back detailing Davis' history of sucking in 'zona, I'll see if I can dig it up... Speaking as someone who lives in Arizona, and is pretty familiar with the Cardinals, their biggest gripe with him was spotty play. I'm really not certain wheather he was starting due to him being that good, or the Cards simply not having anyone better at the time, so he was it by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 man that second round has so many more good players then that first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Um leonard davis wasn't a bust Joisey.. sorry buddy, He's gona be the starting LT for the cards this yearHey, Rod Jones was a starting LT once too...didn't mean he was any good. Read a piece a few weeks back detailing Davis' history of sucking in 'zona, I'll see if I can dig it up... Speaking as someone who lives in Arizona, and is pretty familiar with the Cardinals, their biggest gripe with him was spotty play. I'm really not certain wheather he was starting due to him being that good, or the Cards simply not having anyone better at the time, so he was it by default. I think this is what I recall...a good post on, of all place, a Bills board!http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showt...=0entry263511Davis is discussed mostly in the context of not being able to hold a tackle job, and now having the LT spot handed to him since the other guy reported fat. You might inch him up from straight bust to "guard/backup tackle," so far, but that's cold comfort... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 At that time when Lebeau was coach, i believe that the Bengals needed O-line help and I think they were going to draft Davis...i was actually kind of dissappointed when Arizona took him...I was also mad when Lebeau was fired, because I didn't think losses were his fault...Had he have the control that Marvin has he may still be here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 At that time when Lebeau was coach, i believe that the Bengals needed O-line help and I think they were going to draft Davis...i was actually kind of dissappointed when Arizona took him...I was also mad when Lebeau was fired, because I didn't think losses were his fault...Had he have the control that Marvin has he may still be here... I was a Davis fan as well...and a Warren fan, too . Clearly my prognostication abilities were a bit off that year . But by draft day it was clear they would be gone so I was a big Smith pimp. I think he's worked out fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 the pick of Smith did make me go wtf? who is he but I'm happy he's here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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