Kirkendall Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Yeap, we can use it next year if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 anyone seen the year by year cap numbers? Clayton says 4.8 in year 5, and that it is level, but I'd like to know exact (more or less) numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 3-16-05, 10:05 a.m. JOHNSON NEWS CONFERENCE SET: The Bengals are expected to announce running back Rudi Johnson's five-year contract at Wednesday's 11 a.m. news conference at Paul Brown Stadium. It will be covered live on Bengals.com.http://www.bengals.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 It's all been said. A sweet deal all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 It's all been said. Well, not quite. We haven't heard from DontPushMe yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 I was wondering if I would see this news when I turned my computer on this morning...Looks like it'll save us roughly a million dollars on this year's cap, right?Yeah this is good news. Continuity on offense should be a good thing this year.Cap relief wise, it looks like the Rudi deal frees up somewhere closer to $2 mill.If the $12 mill guaranteed is all SB, it should be $2.4 mill per over 5 yrs.The reports have a $4.8 mill hit in the last year so you got to figure the salary there is $2.4 mill.So the salary structure should go something like:2005 $22006 $2.62007 $32008 $42009 $2.4That would hit the $16 mill over 1st 3 yrs as reported by Clayton.And it should translate into between $1.5 and $1.9 mill in cap relief this year, enough to re-sign Braham if that's the plan. According to your numbers there is 19.6 million in the first three years. Also, according to Bengals.com the contract has heavy incentives in it to reach the full 26 million, which I am thrilled about.I can stomach a 4.8 average per year cap number. I personally like how the Bengals try to keep that number as flat as possible throughout the contract, it's big for free agents because they know they are more than likely going to be there for the whole contract instead of being cut because the last year or two of the contract is funny money (i.e. the $50 million dollar bonus Steve McNair was supposed to this year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 It's all been said. Well, not quite. We haven't heard from DontPushMe yet... He's probably in class at USF right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 According to your numbers there is 19.6 million in the first three years. Also, according to Bengals.com the contract has heavy incentives in it to reach the full 26 million, which I am thrilled about. Damn, this deal looks even better If "heavy incentives" were included in the total, that should mean the salary per year is even less.If there is a $12 mill SB and incentives totaling an estimate of say $4 mill included in the $26 mill total, then the salary avg. over 5 would be $2 mill. With a final year cap hit of $4.8 mill that's a $2.4 mill salary that year, which would average out to $2 mill per year w/ a $1.6 mill 2005 salary.That works out to $2.3 mill in cap savings this year.Glad Rudi finally came to his senses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 He's a big man to take less money than Jordan when he could have held out for more. I'm pleased by this :player:No he isnt. He was never going to get what LJ got, here or anywhere else. He finally woke up and realized that. Hes not as good as LJ, RJ is now one of the most overpaid players in the NFL.btw, i dont go to USF, stalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 He's a big man to take less money than Jordan when he could have held out for more. I'm pleased by this :player:No he isnt. He was never going to get what LJ got, here or anywhere else. He finally woke up and realized that. Hes not as good as LJ, RJ is now one of the most overpaid players in the NFL.btw, i dont go to USF, stalker He is already 10th on the Bengals all time rushing listwith only 21 starts in his career. When your "boy" Dillon had 21 starts he had a total of 2259 yards and 14 TD`s. Rudi has 2478 yards and 21 TD`s. So shudda-f**k-up already moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 can't argue with numbers, at least that's what Count Dracula taught me on Sesame Street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 can't argue with numbers, at least that's what Count Dracula taught me on Sesame Street. I'm glad to know the offense is intact.Now we're REALLY gonna be suprised come draft day.Good Job Marvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 No he isnt. He was never going to get what LJ got, here or anywhere else. He finally woke up and realized that. He did get what Lamont Jordan got....for the first three years of the contract. Plus, he signed a realistic deal that won't have to be reworked in a few years. In addition, the deal has more upfront money than I would have guessed...meaning that the Bengals can easily pay Rudi throughout the length of the entire contract if they so desire. And they probably will knowing how poorly things are looking for Rudi's backup*. As for Rudi finally waking up...I'd say he saved the Bengals collective bacon. I'm not sure why he didn't hold out for more, but I'm very glad he didn't because his willingness to compromise means the Bengals don't have to repeatedly retooling the running back position OR in a truly worst-case-scenario....risk starting an unproven whirlpool warrior like Perry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Hobson has a one-on-one interview with Rudi posted now...Those things are so awkward...has he never seen an interview done on tv before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 As for Rudi finally waking up...I'd say he saved the Bengals collective bacon. I'm not sure why he didn't hold out for more, but I'm very glad he didn't Me, too. As to why he didn't, the simplest explanation is that he chose to take the sure thing, versus playing for a year under the tender, risking injury aned facing the possibility of the tag again next year. Alternatively, the market for RBs, even elite ones, may indeed be in retreat, a question we've discussed at length elsewhere.It will be interesting to see what impact Rudi's deal has on the deals (if any) that James and Alexander eventually sign. They're both supposedly seeking Portis money, and I think this signing will be greeted with jubilation in the front offices of Seattle and Indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Hobson's latest update says that this deal only saves about 200,000 in cap space... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 5 years 26 million ...? that's great. That's just about what I wanted Cincy to do with Rudi ,and that was pay him just about the same money we gave Dillon. If we had did the deal last year it would have been 5 - years 17 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 5 years 26 million ...? that's great. Yup...and actually, per Hobson's latest, it's actually a 5 year, $24 million deal -- yes, slightly less than $5 million a year -- that can push to $26 million based on Rudi hitting certain yardage targets. And Mikey has never been a fan of easy-to-earn incentives, so I have to think he's got some pretty stiff running to do if he wants to collect the whole amount.This is a big bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 5 years 26 million ...? that's great.Yup...and actually, per Hobson's latest, it's actually a 5 year, $24 million deal -- yes, slightly less than $5 million a year -- that can push to $26 million based on Rudi hitting certain yardage targets. And Mikey has never been a fan of easy-to-earn incentives, so I have to think he's got some pretty stiff running to do if he wants to collect the whole amount.This is a big bargain. Bargain? are you joking? If you want i could look up a bunch of players who are better then rj that get paid less then him. This isnt a bargain, we got screwed.Hobson's latest update says that this deal only saves about 200,000 in cap space...If so, this signing was worse than resigning artrell hawkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 It will be interesting to see what impact Rudi's deal has on the deals (if any) that James and Alexander eventually sign. They're both supposedly seeking Portis money, and I think this signing will be greeted with jubilation in the front offices of Seattle and Indy. Not sure about the Edge, but Rudi's deal probably won't create a stir in Seattle. Yesterday I read where Seattle claimed the never had any real interest in trading Alexander, would have no problem allowing him to play at the tagged price, and openly admitted that they were very likely to tag Alexander again next year. In other words, exactly what I thought the Bengals would do if they couldn't get the long-term contract agreement with Rudi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Bargain? are you joking? If you want i could look up a bunch of players who are better then rj that get paid less then him. This isnt a bargain, we got screwed. This is no different than any other position getting an increase on the "ceiling" of positional contracts. Anyway, come back AFTER those players you mention are signing contracts AFTER Rudi signed his because last I saw, most of the players "better" than Rudi, are already under contract (some 2-3 years old) so this statement is very flawed and irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 btw, i dont go to USF, stalker Stalker? I doubt it. You think too much of yourself. Not at USF, eh? What's the matter, couldn't get in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Not at USF, eh? What's the matter, couldn't get in? Or how about, didnt want to? Thats not the only college/university down here. I think you need to direct your hate elsewhere though man. I never try and diss you guys, i diss players, and some of you dont like it, but that doesnt mean you need to go after me because of it.RJ would be a bargain on a rookie 4th round pick contract. Anything more and hes either getting what hes worth, or being overpaid (in this case, overpaid)Mike Brown always was good about keeping average/below average/crappy starters around by overpaying them though. So i guess im not too suprised about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Keeping players that produce BIG is a mistake ?? And to say he didn't get paid more than LJ is a joke... Rudi will see more money than LJ will. LJ only got like 7.2 mil guaranteed and his cap hit in the last two years is over 8mil, so think what you like even though you are wrong. I for one am happy and am looking forward to the draft and the season !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TippCityRick Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Hobson's latest update says that this deal only saves about 200,000 in cap space... If so, this signing was worse than resigning artrell hawkins.If this deal only saves us 200k right now on the cap, then that is exactly what the Bengals wanted. They must feel they are done with free agency for this year, and instead of forcing dollars into future years they took the hit now.And Artrell was signed under previous regimes (I do count Marvin's hiring as a regime change). This contract is proactive giving the team flexability in future years cuz it isn't cap heavy making it probable that Rudi sees this whole contract. He will also be tradeable if necessary down the road cuz the contract won't kill the team he goes to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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