turningpoint Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 seriously Look at mason past 3 seasons and compare them to Chads....the guy is getting cut, he's been a top 5 afc wr for the past 2 years......only probably behind, Chad, Heinz and Harrison.Insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Such is life under the salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 good news, I think, since it puts another name in from of TJ on the open market...from profootballtalk.com:LAVERANUES LEAVING D.C., REFUNDING TEAM? In a stunning move, the Washington Redskins are likely to release receiver Laveranues Coles, who has asked to be let go due to his displeasure with his role in the team's offense under Joe Gibbs.The Washington Post reports that Coles' agent, Roosevelt Barnes, and Redskins owner Daniel Snyder have reached an oral agreement that Coles will be let go on or after February 22, the first day on which teams can release players.Coles has met twice with Gibbs to express his desire to leave, and Gibbs opted to accommodate his wishes. In exchange, Coles reportedly will pay back a portion of the $13 million signing bonus he received a week after he inked an offer sheet two years ago while a restricted free agent with the Jets. Based on his seven-year, $35 million contract, the release will trigger a cap charge of $9.28 million, which will be offset by the partial refund and by his 2005 salary. With the team only a couple of million under the cap heading into the start of a new NFL calendar year, some additional restructurings (or some outright releases) will be necessary before the end of the week.Coles initially asked to be traded during the 2004 season, but management eventually decided instead to release him. Our guess is that the decision was driven by the fact that receiver Rod Gardner is already on the block, which likely would drive down the compensation the team would get for either guy. And from a pure ego standpoint, our sense is that Snyder would prefer to appear decisive and get nothing in return for Coles in lieu of suffering widespread criticism for having merely a fourth or a fifth-round pick to show for the chest-thumping pilferage of Coles from the Jets in 2003. (It's also possible that the rules would not have permitted the 'Skins to get cap relief via a partial signing bonus refund and trade Coles at the same time. We're looking into that wrinkle.) Changing gears for a moment, the fact that the 'Skins will be without both Coles and Gardner in 2005 lends greater credence to the possibility that, based on Joe Gibbs' ill-advised statements from last week, the team has been secretly in contact with the agents for receiver Muhsin Muhammad and/or Plaxico Burress, even though both guys are still under contract with the Panthers and Steelers, respectively. There's clearly an incentive for the 'Skins to make a big push for one or two receivers in the early stages of free agency, which means that there's a heightened temptation to gauge the market now. And if there's anything to the notion of karma, we're hoping that Roosevelt Barnes has been talking to a couple of teams about Coles' potential value on the open market, so that Laveranues will have a place to land. Even if the 'Skins catch wind of such discussions, it'll be difficult for the team to call out any black kettles with a straight face, especially in the wake of the Lawyer Milloy incident of two seasons ago.Coles' addition to the open market reduces the leverage of guys like Muhammad, Burress, and Jerry Porter, since it's one more star receiver who'll be looking to get into a chair before the big-money music stops after a week or two of free agency. The looming glut of receivers also means that the Vikings will be less likely to trade Randy Moss, since it'll be even harder to pull the Reverse Herschel with so many quality options available via unrestricted free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Mason is only one guy on a long list of TN players saying goodbye this offseason. If they really want to turn that franchise around, they'll cut McNair too.Other notable names likely leaving are Samari Rolle, Kevin Carter, Fred Miller, Robert Holcombe, and Joe Nedney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 welcome to salary cap 101, please take a seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Some potentially good news for those of us hoping they can find a way to keep TJ. Looks like Derrick Mason will be cut in Tennessee and the word out of Washington is that Laverneus Coles will be cut as well.That adds two more receivers to the free agent market who may draw the attention of the Ravens, Giants et al before TJ would. Anything which floods the market with more receivers will help the Bengals in their negotiation with Housh, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 It's called saving money and gearing up to do a rebuild of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 People have banged on how Mike Brown has managed the cap for years, but, becuase they have been responsible and have not played fast and loose with the cap in terms of rolling money into future years, they have avoided backing themselves into a corner like Tennessee has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted February 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 true it will, but this also opens up the titans and redskin to make a run at TJ.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 We had three threads on two boards going on the same subject, so I merged 'em all together here. Just FYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 I guess that's fine, but I don't understand why it cannot be discussed in the Bengals news forum since it so clearly impacts the TJ discussion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 I guess that's fine, but I don't understand why it cannot be discussed in the Bengals news forum since it so clearly impacts the TJ discussion... It could go in either forum, I think. As for the topic. I don't think this puts TN in the running for anybody. They'll look for a good WR in the draft. Washington, on the other hand. I'm sure they could afford him, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 I guess that's fine, but I don't understand why it cannot be discussed in the Bengals news forum since it so clearly impacts the TJ discussion... Like sky said, it could have gone in either category. It's here simply because two of the three original threads were in this forum, so it was easier to move one here and combine them than the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Some potentially good news for those of us hoping they can find a way to keep TJ. Looks like Derrick Mason will be cut in Tennessee and the word out of Washington is that Laverneus Coles will be cut as well.That adds two more receivers to the free agent market who may draw the attention of the Ravens, Giants et al before TJ would. Anything which floods the market with more receivers will help the Bengals in their negotiation with Housh, I think.Mason, Plex, Coles and even Porter may all be better WRs than T.J. Houshmandzadeh.And I will say that a couple of these guys are very tempting.But I would still rather have TJ back than to have any of them.Great Team Chemistry ...The Bengals and TJ are a Perfect Fit for each other.They need to get that new deal done, and keep him a Bengal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Porter's stayin'http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=1997221 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Great Team Chemistry ...The Bengals and TJ are a Perfect Fit for each other.They need to get that new deal done, and keep him a Bengal. That's what Marvin's all about! That's why (IMHO) TJ and Rudi will be starting in Cincy all of next season! :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 bengals.com said that the Bengals are expressing an interest in Mason. I'm sure they just want to keep their options open, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 bengals.com said that the Bengals are expressing an interest in Mason. I'm sure they just want to keep their options open, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless...I just read that to ...Peter Schaffer, the agent for Bengals running back Rudi Johnson, is a busy man. He said Wednesday night that the Bengals are one of the teams that has expressed some kind of an interest in former Titans wide receiver Derrick Mason. Schaffer, who says he'll meet with the Bengals here this week to discuss Johnson, is also trying to get a deal for Steelers running back Jerome Bettis. Asked if the Bengals had expresed interest in Mason, Schaffer said, "Yes." The Bengals look to be trying to touch all their bases because they've also indicated they would like to re-sign wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh before free agency opens next week. Mason, who turned 31 last month, is coming off a Pro Bowl season in which he had one more catch than the Bengals' Chad Johnson with 96 and finished fourth in AFC yardage with 1,168.So picture; Chad Johnson, Derrick Mason and a Healthy Peter Warrick ...To quote turningpoint ...INSANE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 So picture; Chad Johnson, Derrick Mason and a Healthy Peter Warrick ...To quote turningpoint ...INSANE. Don't forget TJ! TOTALLY INSANE!! I wouldn't mind picking up another reciever this way at all! :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 So picture; Chad Johnson, Derrick Mason and a Healthy Peter Warrick ...To quote turningpoint ...INSANE. Don't forget TJ! TOTALLY INSANE!! I wouldn't mind picking up another reciever this way at all! :player: Billy, if you think we can afford TJ AND Mason, then you're the one that's insane... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Billy, if you think we can afford TJ AND Mason, then you're the one that's insane... Hmmm...having trouble denying this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Add Mushin Muhammed & Jerry Rice to the list of available FA WRs.Ty Law got let go, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 In the interest of doing something more constructive than complaining about, as seems likely, the Bengals not resigning TJ (tho I'll doubtless continue to do that, too), I figured I'd take a look at the butt end of the WR market and see what might be around cheap. In no particular order...1. Jerry Rice, as discussed elsewhere. Downsides: age, many Bengals fans hate him. Upside: experience, can still play at least as good as K-wash.2. David Terrell, Bears. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5455Reportedly may become a cap casualty now that they've signed Muhammad. Former first-round pick considered a bust, may be a candidate in the "change of scenery" department. 3. Ike Hilliard, Giants. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5463Due a mid-March roster bonus, 8-year vet may be cut. 4. Kevin Johnson, late of Baltimore. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133324Done amazingly well considering the collection of crap he's had throwing the ball to him.5. Cedrick Wilson, 49ers. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5617SF would like him back but even Cincy must look good right now. Young comer could be headed for a breakout season in the right circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Add Mushin Muhammed & Jerry Rice to the list of available FA WRs.Ty Law got let go, too. Moosh is off the market now.BEARS: All-Pro receiver Muhsin Muhammad agreed to a six-year contract.Muhammad was cut by Carolina on Friday because the Panthers did not want to pay a $10 million roster bonus due Tuesday. The Bears will give him a $12 million guaranteed signing bonus.Muhammad, who will be 32 in May, caught 93 passes, led the league with 1,405 yards and had 16 touchdowns as the main target after Steve Smith broke his leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 No Mason, per bengals.com...It looks like the Bengals are out of the running in the Derrick Mason derby. The jack apparently is too highWell, there's a surprise, huh? Goes on to say that Balti is deep in the Mason hunt, and talks with TJ are now bacvk on the "front burner," for whatever that's worth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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