bengalboomer7 Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I've been reading all the info i can on next years salary cap and I can't find anything definitive. Like I said earlier, it's been anywhere between 4 and 16 mil. Now, there is a hell of alot of different things you can do with 16 mil that you cant do with 4. That's why I've tried not to say anything about Rudi or TJ cause if we have a lot of money we can sign them both and make some free agent moves. To me, this holds the key for a ton of crazy discussions on this board(not like we won't have most of them anyway ). I know I've talked a bit with a few guys on this but does anyone really know what it's going to be? Hobson's a moron so I try not to go by what he says but knowing this would make it a lot easier for all of us would be GM's in here (especially me!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Wait till the official NFL YEAR (not season) starts -- before the NFL draft. That's after all the owner's meetings, fiscal meetings, rules commissions, etc... all you'll get right now is guess-work -- most of which is scary accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Yeah, but who do you beleive is scary accurate, I thought I was someting with Marvin (an interview or someting, I'm sure you guys remember it was when Trumpy blasted Marvin saying he didn't have a clue) that implies they have a good amount of room, but guys like Hobson keep saying it's gonna be real tight. Once all of this clears up, then we'll get a lot better idea of what's going to happen to our FA's and if we'll go for any other FA's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Usually I just go with ESPN, because their credibility is on the line. Coaches or GMs will give you a figure, but it doesn't hurt them if it's inaccurate -- it doesn't matter to them until they get the official number. Sources, like ESPN, need the numbers to work out right so people keep coming back. Of course you have to wait until they say something unless Lenny or Clayton release something -- and with playoffs going on right now, I wouldn't expect anything soon. We need a cap expert here on the staff -- hummmm... BB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 That crap is so complicated you'd have to get a rocket scientist, but on a similar note I was looking at the particulars of Shaun Rogers contract (DT I wanted, plays for Detroit) at profootballtalk.com Look at that for a sec and it will show you how wacky contracts and caps can get. They made out like he was the highest paid Dt and he got screwed in my opinion, especially if you look at the initial figure (46mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...john&id=1510617I'm hoping he can update this link it's only been the same old s**t for over 23 months now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 That crap is so complicated you'd have to get a rocket scientist Someone call my name? Actually, I'm not exactly a rocket scientist, but pretty close. I think the salary cap is something akin to the QB rating formula or the BCS -- even if someone did explain it to you, you still wouldn't understand. I'm just going to wait for some reputable source to say what the cap is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Palmer 2005 salary $ 1,605,000 Cap hit $ 3,033,571 Kitna 2005 salary $1,000,000Cap hit $2,150,000 Bramlet salary $305,000 Total for QB`s $5,488,571 (I read where Palmer has an escalator in his contract to where it could go up another $4 million...so it could go to 9 million)Jerimi Johnson2005 Cap Hit $380,000 Chris Perry salary $380,0002005 Cap Hit $2,330,000 ($1.9 million is signing bonus)Total for RB`s $2,710,000 (not counting Rudi)Peter Warrick 2005 Base Salary $ 2,280,000 Cap Hit $ 2,481,667Chad Johnson 2005 Base Salary $ 1,000,000 Cap Hit $ 3,083,333Kelley Washington2005 Base Salary $ 380,000 Cap Hit $ 559,000Reggie Kelly 2005 Base Salary $ 1,100,000Cap Hit $ 1,600,000Brad St. Louis2005 Base Salary $ 540,000Cap Hit $ 573,333Matt Schobel2005 Base salary $ 455,000Cap Hit $ 630,000Tony Stewart 2005 Cap hit $455,000Total cap hit for WR`s and TE`s $9,382,333Willie Anderson 2005 Base Salary $ 3,850,000Cap Hit $ 4,105,200Levi Jones 2005 Base Salary $ 630,000Cap Hit $ 1,740,000Scott Kooistra 2005 Cap hit $393,666Bobbie Williams2005 Base Salary $1,150,000Cap Hit $1,483,333Larry Moore2005 Cap Hit $670,000Eric Steinbach2005 Base Salary $380,000Cap Hit $820,000Belton Johnson $305,000Stacy Andrews $305,000 (base salaries....no cap hit numbers given)Total Cap Hit for Offensive Linemen $9,822,199John Thorton 2005 Base Salary $2,500,000Cap Hit $ 3,333,333Duane Clemons 2005 Base Salary $1.250,000Cap Hit $ 1,683,333Justin Smith 2005 Base Salary $ 1,830,000Cap Hit $ 3,638,333Langston Moore Cap Hit $380,000 (only numbers I had were base salaries) Mathias Askew Cap Hit $305,000Shaun Smith Cap Hit $305,000Robert GeathersCap Hit $305,000Greg Scott Cap Hit $380,000LaDairis Jackson Cap Hit $455,000Total Cap Hit for Defensive Linemen $10,479,999Brian Simmons 2005 Base Salary $ 2,600,000Cap Hit $ 3,200,000Nate Webster2005 Base Salary $1,500,000Cap Hit $2,000,000Kevin Hardy 2005 Base Salary $ 2,600,000Cap Hit $ 3,625,000Khalid Abdullah 2005 Base Salary $380,000Cap Hit $ 423,333Caleb Miller (only numbers I have are base salaries) Cap Hit $305,000Landon Johnson Cap Hit $305,000Larry Stevens Cap Hit $305,000Total Cap Hit for LB`s $10,163,333Tory James 2005 Base Salary $ 2,250,000Cap Hit $ 3,175,000Rogers Beckett 2005 Cap Hit $700,000Kevin Kaesviharn 2005 Cap Hit $600,000Kim Herring2005 Base Salary $1,100,000Cap Hit $1,600,000Alvin Porter2005 Cap Hit $540,000Dennis Weathersby2005 Cap Hit $380,000Terrell Roberts2005 Cap Hit $380,000Deltha O'Neal2005 Cap Hit $1,190,000Keiwan Ratliff (all I have are base salary numbers) 2005 cap hit $305,000Greg Brooks2005 cap hit $305,000Total Cap Hit for DB`s $9,175,000Shayne Graham 2005 Cap Hit $1,320,000Kyle Larson 2005 Cap Hit $305,000Total Cap Hit for Kickers $1,625,000That comes to a grand total of $58,846,435.So even if you add Palmer`s $4million escalator it STILL is $17million under the $ 80.5 million of THIS YEARS CAP.The cap should go up AT LEAST to $85 million next year. Of course that isn`t counting our own Free Agents(14 players I think), the 8 players on the practice squad.They make $73,500 a piece...which is $588,000 total,the $1 Million we are supposed to be over the cap because of the players we had on IR this year.....I got those numbers from here.http://bengalsjungle.com/players_salaries.htmlAnd from here. http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subP...e+Player+Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 hmm not to mention we're making some cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I saw you post the same thing earlier oldschooler and don't take offense when I say this but do you know how accurate that really is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I saw you post the same thing earlier oldschooler and don't take offense when I say this but do you know how accurate that really is? Well I spent over an hour compiling all that info from the inter-net.I`m pretty sure the cap hit numbers from Bengals Jungle are accurate.And I KNOW the base salary numbers from NFLPA.com are VERY accuarte.Let`s just say it is a decent ballpark figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Well, until something official comes out we'll just use that. Thanks, by the wayAlso, Kudos to your bengals dilligence. I never would have done thatKirkendell - Looks like you might have found that expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 At this point, the cap is expected to go up to $85 million, give or take a bit.According to what Marvin has said (in his Trumpy-can-go-eff-himself article on bengals.com) the Bengals right now are about $1 million over the $80 million 2004 cap, thanks to Palmer hitting his incentives and having to sign so many guys to fill in for those on IR.Marvin also says there's about $10 million in dead money in 2004 that goes away.If you go through the numbers on bengalsjungle.com (which isn't the whole roster but is the best source I know of) you'll fijnd something like $9-$10 million of 2004 dollars coming off because of contracts that are up (Tony Williams, Carl Powell, Rudi's $1.8 million RFA deal, etc.). However, there's also about $7 million in raises, big and large (Chad makes another $400k, for instance, Brad St. Louis gets $5k more, etc.) So net-net the Bengals ought to get a couple million there.So: 85 - 81 = $4 million in "new" cap space.4 + 10 dead money = $14 million.14 + 2-3 in gone v. raises = $16-17 million in cap space.Against that, we're looking at:$5 million for Rudi$2-3 million for TJ$1 million for Braham$3 million for the rookie pool = $11-12 million if the Bengals do all of what they want to do plus the draft.Still, that leaves $5-6 million we ought to have to play with in FA. Cutting the like of Kevin Hardy, Reggie Kelley, and restructuring Willie Anderson could free up about $5 million more space. That still leaves some spots to fill (Hardy's, still haven't done anything about Powell, etc.) but even if that chews up $3,4,5 million we should still have room for one big deal (think $5-6 million/year range) or a couple smaller ones.Of course, Mikey always likes to leave a few million for emergencies, which it should be admitted came in handy this year.That's about as near as I can figure it from what's been out there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Sounds alright, I guess (hell, what do I know) and I would be optimistic about those numbers. But I would like it better if Rudi's at about 4-4.5 and Tj is about 1.5. get to work katie and Pauljr. It will be interesting to see who of our lesser free agents we will keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 All I know is that they are paying WAY TOO MUCH for guys like Reggie Kelly, Kevin Hardy, John Thorton and Nate Webster combined.You could cut all 4 of those guys and not lose a whole lot, if anything, depending on whom they are replaced with. I'd take one or two impact FA's that you have to pay $5-$6m a year, instead of four mediocre guys like that and pay 'em the same amount. Surely you could find FA's and draft picks to replace those guys with that are better. Not a single one of them is an upper echleon player in the NFL, nor were they for long before coming here.There's enough veterans left to dispose of this dead weight on defense. It's ridiculous when you figure in guys like Tony Williams, Herring and KK. Geesh. I really hope Marvin turns the whole group over with younger, faster, cheaper guys like he has been - but even more so this off-season.Also, the Browns and/or Hobson will always state that they are tight against the cap, always. They will never say otherwise it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Chris Perry salary $380,0002005 Cap Hit $2,330,000 ($1.9 million is signing bonus) Out of all those figures from that very informative post, why does this one effect me physically? Especially what's inside the parenthesis!Oh man...the light headedness, nausea, blurred vision...25 days Joisey...just 25 more days, and off come the gloves and the muzzle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Chris Perry salary $380,0002005 Cap Hit $2,330,000 ($1.9 million is signing bonus)Out of all those figures from that very informative post, why does this one effect me physically? Especially what's inside the parenthesis!Oh man...the light headedness, nausea, blurred vision...25 days Joisey...just 25 more days, and off come the gloves and the muzzle! Oh, calm down...signing bonuses are prorated...http://www.mariononline.com/articles/sport...0011/001198.htmChris Perry, the Bengals' first-round draft pick, signed his contract Tuesday afternoon at the team's training camp headquarters. He will practice with the Bengals for the first time this morning.  Perry has missed 10 days of training camp during his holdout.Perry's deal is for 5 years and worth more than $7 million with $3 million in backside incentives.He will receive a $3.9 million split signing bonus. He just picked up $2.1 million and will get another $1.8 million next year.So his $2.1 million over 5 years = $420,000/year prorated$1.8 million this year over 4 years = $450,000/year proratedplus salary as provided of $380,000 = cap hit of $1.25 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Oh, calm down...signing bonuses are prorated...So his $2.1 million over 5 years = $420,000/year prorated$1.8 million this year over 4 years = $450,000/year proratedplus salary as provided of $380,000 = cap hit of $1.25 million. Ahhhh...thanks for the sedative. Got anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I got half a 12 of MGD left but that'll probably be gone by the time you could get to NJ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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