BengalPappaw Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Has anybody heard any more on the following from the Great Blue North Draft Report?:"(12:01 AM): That didn't take long... The 2005 draft is still over 100 days away, but Cincinnati has become the first team to broach the possibility of trading down from their original #1 pick this year. The Bengals have the 17th pick this year, ironically, the same selection Cincinnati started with at the 2004 draft. The Bengals, though, traded that pick to Denver for the 24th selection prior to the draft and then traded down two more spots with St. Louis on draft day."I think that would be a good move, based on how successful we were last year. We got , at least one starter (Deltha O'Neal) and a back up (Chris Perry). I don't remember who we got for the additional pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Marvin was asked about the possibility of trading down again in the first, and said something to the effect of, "we wouldn't do it if there was a player available who could make an impact." Which can also be interpreted as saying they'd trade down if the impact player(s) they want were already gone or might be had later in the round.Which, of course, is also true of every single other team in the NFL...so I wouldn't read too much into it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly McRailnob Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 doesn't really make any sense to trade now. why not setup the potential trade, then wait till the 17th pick? if a stud is there, you take him. if not, you make the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Has anybody heard any more on the following from the Great Blue North Draft Report?:"(12:01 AM): That didn't take long... The 2005 draft is still over 100 days away, but Cincinnati has become the first team to broach the possibility of trading down from their original #1 pick this year. The Bengals have the 17th pick this year, ironically, the same selection Cincinnati started with at the 2004 draft. The Bengals, though, traded that pick to Denver for the 24th selection prior to the draft and then traded down two more spots with St. Louis on draft day."I think that would be a good move, based on how successful we were last year. We got , at least one starter (Deltha O'Neal) and a back up (Chris Perry). I don't remember who we got for the additional pick. I thought the extra pick turned into Robert Geathers. Either him or Stacy Andrews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 I trust Marvin on whatever the hell he wants to do with the results of last years draft. He was criticized pretty good over it, even by experts like me (yeah right). It showed that experts don't know #$%@. I was like who the hell is Madieu and I read how slow Keiwan was, how undersized Landon and Caleb were and how raw Geathers was. Great draft and he aquired alot of talent by trading down. As long as we get that run stuffing DT. VINCE WOOLFORK would have been nice though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 If you watch the season-ending video interview on Bengals.com with Hobson and Maaaavin, you'll be more than convinced he's going to trade down. He wants the quantity of picks in 2005, and from my understanding of team needs and what's available in the college draft; it may be the best approach again.PS, I don’t think Marvin thinks too highly of Hobson. He started looking frustrated and annoyed during the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 As long as we get that run stuffing DT. Hear! Hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 As long as we get that run stuffing DT.Hear! Hear! I agree with Marvin Lewis that what you're looking for is a good DT, not a "run stuffer." A good DT makes plays, penetrates, pursues, pressures, disrupts offenses so that they have to double team him, and then beats the double teams or at least consistently makes a pile when they double team him. A good DT puts so much pressure on the offense that it makes it easier for the other guys on the line, including the big fat ones you already have, to do their jobs. Even the beloved Tim Krumrie was not a classic "run-stuffing" fat-boy NT. He was active, held up at the point, and his strongest suit was probably his tenacity in pursuit. He wasn't a huge, fat guy. He was much more involved in making plays and tackles than just blocking for linebackers and stuff like that. Settling for a "run-stuffer" is a fall-back position. You really want a true stud that can do it all up in front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 If you watch the season-ending video interview on Bengals.com with Hobson and Maaaavin, you'll be more than convinced he's going to trade down. He wants the quantity of picks in 2005, and from my understanding of team needs and what's available in the college draft; it may be the best approach again.I think the Bengals inability to sign quality free agents is the reason for this. A very smart move by Marvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 You really want a true stud that can do it all up in front. Sure we do, but those "One guy for all plays" types of DT's aren't exactly over-running the league with their sheer numbers now are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 doesn't really make any sense to trade now. why not setup the potential trade, then wait till the 17th pick? if a stud is there, you take him. if not, you make the trade.For one thing it's easier to take care of the trade issues before draft day. Sure, you can set up the trade, but if for some reason the trade falls through, there's not much time to react and talk with someone else. Draft day trades happen all the time, but it's easier to manage if the trade gets complicated.The Bengals still need to fill a lot of holes. And you can fill a lot of holes with a lot of picks. Sure, you might miss out on getting some stud in a single position, but you will better be able to field an entire team. I've never really cared for picks in the bottom half of the first round unless there are a slew of great players coming out of college. Better to get some additional picks than roll the dice on one guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Ignoring Marvin's oft stated "best player available" rant for just a minute, trading down makes perfect sense when you consider the positions of need the Bengals are most likely to address in this draft. Center, tight end, and safety all come rapidly to mind and none of those positions are usually considered good 1st round value fits unless you're talking about uncommon blue chip prospects. And those rare exceptions usually fing the prospect off the board by the middle of the round. So trading down makes perfect sense if your early projections leave you with a wish list that includes examples like Baas, Miller, or even Spears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 There are several things that haven't been mentioned here about the Bengals trading down like we did in '04.1. Free Agency is going to sculpt our draft positions like it did last year. We could be looking at draft picks for Peter Warrick, T.J., Kitna, or even Rudi Johnson. Saying that we're " leaning towards the possibility" means absolutely freaking nothing in January trust me ! 2. Compensatory Picks won't be announced until about 3 weeks before the draft, and can't be traded. The picks won't be announced until late march and once again Cincy ' should be in line for some later day 2 selections because of the amount of (former) draft picks signing away with other teams during the '04 off season.ex. Hawkins, Goff etc.Note: Cincinnati will not receive compensation as high as last seasons # 96 pick. 3. There's also one other posibility : We could end up trading up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 There are several things that haven't been mentioned here about the Bengals trading down like we did in '04.1. Free Agency is going to sculpt our draft positions like it did last year. We could be looking at draft picks for Peter Warrick, T.J., Kitna, or even Rudi Johnson. Saying that we're " leaning towards the possibility" means absolutely freaking nothing in January trust me ! 2. Compensatory Picks won't be announced until about 3 weeks before the draft, and can't be traded. The picks won't be announced until late march and once again Cincy ' should be in line for some later day 2 selections because of the amount of (former) draft picks signing away with other teams during the '04 off season.ex. Hawkins, Goff etc.Note: Cincinnati will not receive compensation as high as last seasons # 96 pick. 3. There's also one other posibility : We could end up trading up! I'll take door #3 Bob! C'mon down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 There's also one other posibility : We could end up trading up! Can we say Mike Williams ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPappaw Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I like the idea of reuniting Mike Williams and Carson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I like the idea of reuniting Mike Williams and Carson. Yea don't we all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Getting back to the trade down angle...I was listening to ESPN Radio this morning and they were yammering with a Denver scribe about what the Broncos were looking for in the draft. Acccording to the writer the Broncos are desperate for an impact player on D-line but consider this draft class to be a very weak crop and as a result have strong doubts that they'll find what they're looking for in their current draft position. The writer went on to claim that the Broncos are very interested in moving up to the middle of the round. Granted, it may be worthless info, but I'm calling Marvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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