cincy9275 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 we are a team that is still learning how to win and i do belive we will be fine . we are better than last years team and will continue to improve .all the problems i seen in the games we have played can be corrected. 2 years ago this team would have been 0-3 granted we do need some help on our d-line like a run stuffing tackle but there isn't a team in the leauge that could use some help in some areas. i know some fans expectation were high but in reality we are still a year away from being a team that can win 10 or so games .we are young and are still a work in progress. so don't get to down on this team losses like this will only make them stronger . i still see at 7 games that are winnable games for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Are you serious???Essentially a rookie QB. Warrick is banged up. Our line is banged up. Our defensive line is a sieve. Bill Gates could block Kevin Hardy. ADRIAN ROSS IS COMING BACK FOR GOD'S SAKE. Our two starting safeties are beat to hell. Damn man, what time is it where you are at, you must be sleepwalking!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBobNC Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Are you serious???Are you? Damn man, is this the only kind of tripe you post? Seriously, you're a Browns fan aren't you? Just be honest. It's okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 You saying I cheer for another team is hilarious. Wake up. Re-evaluate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBobNC Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 You saying I cheer for another team is hilarious. Wake up.Re-evaluateEveryone has complained about whatever, but you and your posts seem to take pleasure in it. So what do you expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I don't know if we're ok or not. Either way, though, it has nothing to do with Palmer. It's all on the defense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I don't know if we're ok or not. Either way, though, it has nothing to do with Palmer. It's all on the defense... I disagree. The D has actually been doing a better job than last year. The primary issue Sunday was tackling. That big 75 yard run of Jamal's should never have happened, he should have been taken down for a loss. But we're hardly the only team in the league that can't tackle, it's a widespread problem.The bottom line is that the team is allowing 22 points a game -- and that includes points given up on offense -- which would be a TD's worth of points improvement over last year. However, we're only averaging 14 points a game on offense (16 overall), which is way below last year. Our offense hasn't found the end zone in two friggin' games.What we know after three games is that our offense isn't ready to challenge the league's top D's with a new starter still learing the ropes. Well, gee, no big surprise, eh? And no, that doesn't mean we go back to Kitna. If we do, Carson will never learn. Jon is not an option. On the other hand, from the Jets game, we know the offense can score against more average defenses.Cincy's right, we'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 You saying I cheer for another team is hilarious. Wake up. Re-evaluate Let's see. Bengals win vs. Miami, you disappear.Bengals lose to Ravens, you come back to crow about the loss.You're a troll.Case Closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I don't know if we're ok or not. Either way, though, it has nothing to do with Palmer. It's all on the defense...I disagree. The D has actually been doing a better job than last year. The primary issue Sunday was tackling. That big 75 yard run of Jamal's should never have happened, he should have been taken down for a loss. But we're hardly the only team in the league that can't tackle, it's a widespread problem.The bottom line is that the team is allowing 22 points a game -- and that includes points given up on offense -- which would be a TD's worth of points improvement over last year. However, we're only averaging 14 points a game on offense (16 overall), which is way below last year. Our offense hasn't found the end zone in two friggin' games.What we know after three games is that our offense isn't ready to challenge the league's top D's with a new starter still learing the ropes. Well, gee, no big surprise, eh? And no, that doesn't mean we go back to Kitna. If we do, Carson will never learn. Jon is not an option. On the other hand, from the Jets game, we know the offense can score against more average defenses.Cincy's right, we'll be fine. Ummm, isn't tackling a "defensive" issue? How can we give up over 200 yards on the run twice in 3 games, and NOT say it's a defensive problem?? We also put up quite a few points against the Jets, and got nearly 400 yards against one of the best defenses in the league? And offense is our problem? Now, playing better in the redzone, definitely. I think getting Warrick, and more experience for Palmer will take care of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 i belive i am right and i do really think we will be ok. if you are panicing after a couple of games then thats your problem .when this season started i thought we would have a chance to win our division not because we were so much better than other team it was because our division sucks. but i did not ever think we are going to be a superbowl team. i know we have a core of young and very good players and with marvin running the show.like i said we will be OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ummm, isn't tackling a "defensive" issue? How can we give up over 200 yards on the run twice in 3 games, and NOT say it's a defensive problem?? We also put up quite a few points against the Jets, and got nearly 400 yards against one of the best defenses in the league? And offense is our problem? Now, playing better in the redzone, definitely. I think getting Warrick, and more experience for Palmer will take care of that. I don't give a #$%& if the other team puts up 2,000 yards rushing as long as they don't get any points, which is what's been happening. Yes, tackling is a defensive issue, and one we need to work on, but one that isn't unique to the Bengals. To go back and paraphrase something Jam said about Boller and the Ravens passing game last week, the problems on the Bengals defense are not "oh my Gawd we suck, it's hopeless" probles, they're standard challenges that are faced by many teams and which can be corrected with time and work. The issues on offense are mostly the same, though as you rightly point out injuries have complicated matters.As for the Jets having one of the league's best D's They're horking up 26 points a game at this point, worse than us! And that's against such mighty O's as us and the Chargers.You want to win? First thing you have to do is [i[]score points. We ain't doing that nearly enough. But it will get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ummm, isn't tackling a "defensive" issue? How can we give up over 200 yards on the run twice in 3 games, and NOT say it's a defensive problem??  We also put up quite a few points against the Jets, and got nearly 400 yards against one of the best defenses in the league? And offense is our problem? Now, playing better in the redzone, definitely. I think getting Warrick, and more experience for Palmer will take care of that.As for the Jets having one of the league's best D's They're horking up 26 points a game at this point, worse than us! And that's against such mighty O's as us and the Chargers. I was referring to the Ravens...not the Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 If you guys think the "chicken littles" are coming out of the woodwork here about the Bengals falling to 1-2 and screaming the sky is falling, well you ain't seen NOTHIN! Go visit any Kansas City Chiefs forum! All I can say is the suicide hotlines in the general K.C. area must be working double shifts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardG Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I despise our rush defense. When you give up a lot of yards rushing, you stay out on the field a long time. The offense has fewer chances to get on the field and score points. Hence, when you can't stop the run, you usually lose. When we couldn't stop the run, we lost to the Jets and Ravens, and when we did stop the run, we beat the Dolphins. On offense, the key so far has been our offensive line. hen they keep the rpessure of Palmer, he does well, and when they fail to keep the pressure offf, he makes mistakes. Palmer's performance isn't even an issue so far - he has done as well as can reasonably be expected.Chance at improvement? Perhaps. The offensive line has been banged up, and we have very little depth. It looks like Steinbach will start at tackle against the Steelers. If the line can improve and protect Palmer and open up some holes for Rudi, our offense will be very good. If it doesn't, our offense will only go as far as Palmer's arm can take it. On defense, I see us having a few more lousy performances as well as a few nice performances. We do have a lot more speed on the defense than in the past, but our guys still overpursue and are in poor position on many plays. In the end, it comes down to stopping the run and giving our offense a puncher's chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamnminor Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Ross is not coming back, they sent him home. Knee still an issue I guess. Starting to have doubts about Marvins short term philosophy. WHO DEY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengalspynjacksonville Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I tend to agree with you. Every player has to put their ego's on hold and play some football. They need to stop talking and execute. My only concern is with our game plan.... do we have the right one for each team we face. I really don't think we are playing with intensity or giving 110% in every game or on every play. A little tweak here and there and we'll rebound. I haven't given up on the Bengals (ever) and I'm not going to start now, there's a whole lot of football to be played yet. Looks like 10 wins will put you in the playoffs, and we have the players to win at least 9 more games. GO BENGALS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 skyline:I was referring to the Ravens...not the Jets Sorry. But that only underlines my point that it's points, not yards, that matter.Ed:I despise our rush defense. When you give up a lot of yards rushing, you stay out on the field a long time. The offense has fewer chances to get on the field and score points. Hence, when you can't stop the run, you usually lose.That really wasn't the case yesterday, tho. We actually didn't do badly against the run...most of the time. When we blew it, we blew it big. Lewis, for instance, got something like 125 of his 186 yards on just 3 carries. Other than that he was about 15-60. Had we held him on on those 3 other plays he'd have had a 72-yard day and we'd be talking about our kick-ass run D.What needs to be fixed on D is technique. We overpursued and missed tackles Sunday and that's how they broke the big plays. I've seen many teams do the same thing many times before (go back and look at Dillon's record-setting game vs. the Broncos, for example). It can, and likely will, be fixed.On offense, the key so far has been our offensive line. hen they keep the rpessure of Palmer, he does well, and when they fail to keep the pressure offf, he makes mistakes. Palmer's performance isn't even an issue so far - he has done as well as can reasonably be expected.Like I said, benching Palmer is not an option. And you're rght that the o-line is hurting. But that does not change the fact that the offense must score more than 9 freaking points if we expect to win games. As I pointed out a long time ago, the '85 Bears D, the best in history, gave up about 13 points a game. So no matter how much our defense improves, we are unlikely to win many games if we can't do more than kick a few FGs. This is why I argued last offseason that the deciding factor this year would not be how much the defense improved, but how the offense performed under Carson & Rudi vs. Kitna & Dillon. That they're struggling early doesn't surprise me (it's the main reason I figured 8-8 would be a good season). If they're still having trouble finding the end zone at the end of the year, then we may have problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 When you're last in the NFL in rush defense, you're not going to win 7 games, let alone 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 When you're last in the NFL in rush defense, you're not going to win 7 games, let alone 3. Add to that the fact we have essentially a rookie QB, injuries, and questionable coaching calls and you have disaster my friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I thought they were going to lean on Rudi in the early going....Coach Brat even admitted he abondons the run prematurely.... Well, with Rudi chugging along against the Ravens, he decides to throw every down. No wonder pass rushers pin their ears back and attack an unproven, young QB. Give the rock to Rudi, and let's keep this suspect defense on the sidelines as long as we can.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 If you guys think the "chicken littles" are coming out of the woodwork here about the Bengals falling to 1-2 and screaming the sky is falling, well you ain't seen NOTHIN! Go visit any Kansas City Chiefs forum! All I can say is the suicide hotlines in the general K.C. area must be working double shifts! Billy brought up one excellent point (indirectly)--if you think the Bungles Defense has a tackling problem, then watch a KC Game!!! Man, they couldn't tackle my 400 lb aunt that is immobile!!!!!The suicide hotline bit was hilarious, Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I thought they were going to lean on Rudi in the early going....Coach Brat even admitted he abondons the run prematurely.... Well, with Rudi chugging along against the Ravens, he decides to throw every down. No wonder pass rushers pin their ears back and attack an unproven, young QB. Give the rock to Rudi, and let's keep this suspect defense on the sidelines as long as we can.... There's the biggest problem the Bungles are having on the Offensive Side of the ball--Palmer needs to rely on Rudi. Bratkowski is not realizing this at all. He's trying to make Palmer into the next Joe Montana. It's not going to happen overnight--and I won't be surprised if Palmer is Bungle-ized because of this.Drunkowski needs to be fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 When you're last in the NFL in rush defense, you're not going to win 7 games, let alone 3. Funny. Last year we allowed 415 rushing yards through the first three games and we were 0-3.This year we've allowed just under 500 yards on the ground through three games and we're 1-2.The difference? Well, we've allowed slightly fewer points through three games versus last year (3), and scored slightly more (9). And the specific score I'd point to as the difference-maker was Simmon's INT for a TD vs. Miami.Bottom line: our D is where we are today, which is ahead of last year in the win/loss column so far. Now we need an offense that can find the end zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 This year we've allowed just under 500 yards on the ground through three games and we're 1-2. Take the Miami game away and the rushing yards against the D only improves by 22 yards. If Miami had Ricky Williams, I think we'd be in much more panic mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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