HoosierCat Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Addenda to the sacks stuff: per FO, Dalton is the worst in the league in "long sacks," those that take 2.5 seconds or more to happen./>http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2012/under-pressure-long-and-short-sacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Realizing we shouldn't be talking about the next draft so early - but oh well, i sorta kinda brought it upPriorities - BPA from amongst these 4 spots until all 4 filled - and in no particular orderCenterLinebackerRunning BackCorner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted October 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Dalton`s long sacks are a problem. He should be getting through progressions sooner and getting the ball out quickly. Maybe he has happy feet because he feels pressure on the line. I notice he shifts around in the pocket a lot. He isn`t quite as tall as I`d like and that could be making him jump around in the pocket looking for throwing lanes. As for draft needs:1. Center (It is TIME already, Rich Braham was a long time ago)2. Guard - Wharton is done and Boling should be used for depth3. LB or RB4. RB or LB5. Defensive backs6. Defensive Line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Dalton`s long sacks are a problem. He should be getting through progressions sooner and getting the ball out quickly. Maybe he has happy feet because he feels pressure on the line. I notice he shifts around in the pocket a lot. He isn`t quite as tall as I`d like and that could be making him jump around in the pocket looking for throwing lanes. That could very well be. I'd only note that it takes two to complete a pass, and Bengals WRs always seem to be covered. This is one big reason I put WR high on the list of draft needs. The Bengals still don't have anyone beyond Green who has shown himself to be a consistent, reliable target.That said, whether the issue is Dalton, the wideouts or some combination of both, the onus falls on alleged offensive genius Jay Gruden to adjust the playcalling. More screens and having the fullback to lead block for more than the, what, seven snaps they did last week would be a start in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Safety isn't a priority. Being allowed to run free down the middle of the field and scoring before even realizing how bad you really are.Alex, what are the Cincinnati Bengal safties ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Safety is also a priority, but I think the other four spots are even bigger needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 We're talking draft! I like it.RBLB SafetyWR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I think the current batch of WRs have some talent, and they need some time and patience, so I dont include that position as a need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Better fix fire paul alexander bring in a real oline coach that man does not deserve a job he should have been out with brat...rather have munoz with no coaching exp out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I begged for a power running back between the 3rd and 5th rounds in the draftBeggedStill wish we would have grabbed blunt for a 7th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Safety is also a priority, but I think the other four spots are even bigger needsI look at the players we have at the positions and can't help but think that safety is one of the weakest positions we have talent wise.While I think LB is the greatest need, RB is right there along with safety.What does it say that Crocker does get the start over Clements coming back from injury ??Both are old and not what we need. Mays is useless and Nelson is average at best, at times.I also agree that we could wait on WR, but understand why some would make the argument.I would give them another year.So with the picks in the first 3 rounds, give me a:LBRBSafetyGuardAs always, things can change with what player is there when they actually go on the clock.I don't bank on FA, because they have much to do in house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Well, I'm certainly not dismissing safety as a need - it most definitely isI just look at the age on these corners and think - my god, Mike won't want to pay for their walkers and geritol next yearAll that said, if the BPA at the time the Bengals pick comes in round 2 or later is a safety, go for itI really think the round 1 pick has to be a OL, LB, or CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cHaD711Johnson Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Safety isn't a priority. Being allowed to run free down the middle of the field and scoring before even realizing how bad you really are.Alex, what are the Cincinnati Bengal safties ??By priority I mean a draft priority. I'd rather sign a guy with some experience than wait on another 4th round pick to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Safety isn't a priority. Being allowed to run free down the middle of the field and scoring before even realizing how bad you really are.Alex, what are the Cincinnati Bengal safties ??By priority I mean a draft priority. I'd rather sign a guy with some experience than wait on another 4th round pick to develop.Yeah, I get that and would prefer someone with experience, but I don't see us getting that through FA with all the holes we are going to need to fill with some of the players we are actually going to want to keep. It should be a very interesting off season for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Safety is also a priority, but I think the other four spots are even bigger needsI look at the players we have at the positions and can't help but think that safety is one of the weakest positions we have talent wise.While I think LB is the greatest need, RB is right there along with safety.What does it say that Crocker does get the start over Clements coming back from injury ??Both are old and not what we need. Mays is useless and Nelson is average at best, at times.I also agree that we could wait on WR, but understand why some would make the argument.I would give them another year.So with the picks in the first 3 rounds, give me a:LBRBSafetyGuardAs always, things can change with what player is there when they actually go on the clock.I don't bank on FA, because they have much to do in house.we can have all the players in the world. as long as marvin is HC is does not matter.. want proof, look at ohio state same players as last season. but 10 times better. why you ask? because they got a real HC to run the team!!! look at the niners, even the saints w/o payton. it's all marvin guys until he is gone nothing is going to change... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cHaD711Johnson Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Also, sitting at 3-3 with the rest of the AFC outside of Baltimore, Houston, and Denver (before their MNF Game), I'm not as willing as others may be to just write off the season and focus on the draft. This team has the talent to win games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 While i'm no longer sold on ML being the leader of this team, I think it's a bot shortsighted to place EVERYTHING on his shoulders even though he is ultimately responsible. Players need to step up as well and we haven't seen that hardly at all and when they do, it's for a game and then nothing.Anyway around, something isn't working and unless they are looking to pick in the top 5, it needs to change.If they end up with a top 5 pick, the season should be considered a failure of EPIC proportions.One that should lead to mass changes. Sadly, I don't think it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwillycuse Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 While i'm no longer sold on ML being the leader of this team, I think it's a bot shortsighted to place EVERYTHING on his shoulders even though he is ultimately responsible. Players need to step up as well and we haven't seen that hardly at all and when they do, it's for a game and then nothing.Anyway around, something isn't working and unless they are looking to pick in the top 5, it needs to change.If they end up with a top 5 pick, the season should be considered a failure of EPIC proportions.One that should lead to mass changes. Sadly, I don't think it would.Top five pick would lead to a large drop again in ticket sales.This franchise needs to earn respect. Inconsistency, kills any progress. Right now, winning games is important. Or players like green and Dunlop and Atkins wont sign second contracts here.Sunday is almost a must win. May be the same with Pitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 While i'm no longer sold on ML being the leader of this team, I think it's a bot shortsighted to place EVERYTHING on his shoulders even though he is ultimately responsible. Players need to step up as well and we haven't seen that hardly at all and when they do, it's for a game and then nothing.Anyway around, something isn't working and unless they are looking to pick in the top 5, it needs to change.If they end up with a top 5 pick, the season should be considered a failure of EPIC proportions.One that should lead to mass changes. Sadly, I don't think it would.Top five pick would lead to a large drop again in ticket sales.Yep and if the losing streak continues, as I think it will, anyone thinking there are more or less sellouts to come?Put me FIRMLY in the less camp. This fanbase, while funny at times, isn't going to take this very well from a ticket standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Marvin keeps talking about how he'd like to see homefield advantage be a big part of PBS. If he really wants to do that, it needs to start now. Sunday night, national TV. Let it all hang out and play some aggressive football. They did it in DC. Time to do it now.Fans may not be happy when you lose, but if you are aggressive and willing to take some shots, they'll back you more than not. The drain is spiraling. Take this thing by the balls or treat the fanbase to another Steeler loss and another prime time disappointment.This is a winnable game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Low and behold, the Ravens have lost Webb with an ACL and possibly Ray Lewis with a torn biceps.If both are gone, that could change things for the Ravens defense.Now would be the time to light a f*cking fire under any ass that might have something to do with this team getting their sh*t together. Coaches, players, cheerleaders, towel boys, whomever. Light it up and right the d*mn ship !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Low and behold, the Ravens have lost Webb with an ACL and possibly Ray Lewis with a torn biceps.If both are gone, that could change things for the Ravens defense.Now would be the time to light a f*cking fire under any ass that might have something to do with this team getting their sh*t together. Coaches, players, cheerleaders, towel boys, whomever. Light it up and right the d*mn ship !!It's beginning to look (at least to me) like the problem is that the ship is right. In other words, what we've seen is about as good as it gets.With the benefit of hindsight, the offseason is looking pretty bad. With the exception of Zeitler, the draft class' contributions continue to be meager. And that's despite the team having had 10 total picks, including 5 in the first three rounds. In free agency, the Bengals shed players including Crocker, Fanene, Rucker, Simpson and Caldwell. None of the players tapped to fill their roles has been an upgrade (in fact Mays was such a flop they signed Crocker off his couch). The Bengals' own free agent acquisitions have mostly been hurt (Wharton, Allen, Anderson) or ineffective (BJGE). The only guy keeping the offseason from being a complete debacle is Burfict.Bottom line is that they didn't improve over last year's team. They may, in fact, have gotten marginally worse. Things may look different by the end of the season, but I'm not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 I don't think the ship is right at all.You can't have better than average games against teams better than the Dolphins and Browns and then look so poorly against those teams and think it's par for the course. Something isn't clicking.As for the other draft picks, an idea to get more out of them might be to actually put them in the game.Kirkpatrick hasn't stepped on the field, but I don't see how he could be any worse at all.I'm ok with Sanu and Jones, but they need more reps AND to be included.Still and Thompson aren't going to get much with Peko and Atkins getting the bulk.Charles is out there, but TE still isn't a priority. They should have never drafted Gresham.How bad is Mays that we signed Crocker and then Clements ends up with the start ??Yeah, that bad. He's nothing but a teams player at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Peko has played more then Atkins which I don't get, Geathers each week starts ahead of Dunlap. So I wonder sometimes why the best players are not playing more then they are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted October 15, 2012 Report Share Posted October 15, 2012 Low and behold, the Ravens have lost Webb with an ACL and possibly Ray Lewis with a torn biceps.If both are gone, that could change things for the Ravens defense.Now would be the time to light a f*cking fire under any ass that might have something to do with this team getting their sh*t together. Coaches, players, cheerleaders, towel boys, whomever. Light it up and right the d*mn ship !!Actually it's the muscle on the back of the forearm--the triceps and that's not good for a 37 yr old ballplayer/>http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/10/15/3506024/ray-lewis-injury-update-out-ravens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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