Former Bengal David "Deacon" Turner dies

[jjakq27]

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/07/11/ex-bengal-david-turner-shot-and-killed-in-california/

Former Bengals running back David “Deacon” Turner, who played for the team from 1978-80, was shot and killed outside a convenience store in Bakersfield, Calif., following an altercation with sheriff’s deputies.

[COB]

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Former Bengals running back David “Deacon” Turner, who played for the team from 1978-80, was shot and killed outside a convenience store in Bakersfield, Calif., following an altercation with sheriff’s deputies.

JFC, what did they shoot him for? A push and shove type thing and you can't pull out your tazer? I know I wasn't there, blah blah blah, but this sounds like total bulls**t to me. You shoot and kill a guy because of this? Sickening.

[Sea Ray]

It does sound fishy but you don't "scuffle" with armed cops or hit them over the head with beer bottles. When will people learn that bad things happen when you do stuff like that?

[ArmyBengal]

While I would by no stretch of the imagination condone fighting with cops, he was fighting with a bag containing a couple cans of beer.

I suppose that bag could inflict some serious damage, but really ?? The only option is shoot the guy to death ??

No shot to the arm ?? No shot to the foot ?? No tazing action ?? Just deadly force ??

Without knowing everything involved, first impression is a little questionable.

[Sea Ray]

While I would by no stretch of the imagination condone fighting with cops, he was fighting with a bag containing a couple cans of beer.

I suppose that bag could inflict some serious damage, but really ?? The only option is shoot the guy to death ??

No shot to the arm ?? No shot to the foot ?? No tazing action ?? Just deadly force ??

Without knowing everything involved, first impression is a little questionable.

I agree that the cops' action was questionable but my advice is don't make your life dependent upon a cop's "questionable" judgement. There are bad cops out there and some good ones who make bad decisions. Don't leave yourself at their mercy

[ArmyBengal]

Sounds like poor choices on both sides, but I find it hard to believe this was the only option.

I bet I could train a chimp to shoot a guy in the arm 99 out of a 100 times.

Well, maybe not a chimp, but the average guy in less than a week.

Maybe they need to relook training. Maybe I need to call about a job !!!

[Sea Ray]

Sounds like poor choices on both sides, but I find it hard to believe this was the only option.

I bet I could train a chimp to shoot a guy in the arm 99 out of a 100 times.

Well, maybe not a chimp, but the average guy in less than a week.

Maybe they need to relook training. Maybe I need to call about a job !!!

In a general sense I have often wondered the same thing. Why doesn't law enforcement shoot for legs etc rather than "to kill"?

[BengalszoneBilly]

Sounds like poor choices on both sides, but I find it hard to believe this was the only option.

I bet I could train a chimp to shoot a guy in the arm 99 out of a 100 times.

Well, maybe not a chimp, but the average guy in less than a week.

Maybe they need to relook training. Maybe I need to call about a job !!!

In a general sense I have often wondered the same thing. Why doesn't law enforcement shoot for legs etc rather than "to kill"?

Law enforcement is always in a tough position in situations like this. Damned if you do, and possibly dead if you don't.

My training in the Marines was always shoot to kill. There was never another option. I guess it's better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

[COB]

I just read the Bakersfield newspaper site. The story contained the following synopsis:

Sheriff’s reports state that shooting occurred after deputies responded to reports of 10 to 15 juveniles asking adults to purchase alcohol and cigarettes for them at the busy store at the corner of Niles Street and Mt. Vernon Avenue.

According to Sheriff’s Lt. Bart Camps, the Fastrip is the only store in that neighborhood that is open that late and can be very busy at night and early in the morning.

When deputies arrived at the store they encountered David Lee Turner, 56, coming out of the store with his 19 year-old son, a 16-year-old juvenile and bags of items Turner had just purchased, including alcohol.

Deputies detained Turner and the two teens while they investigated the situation. According to reports, Turner first complied with deputies’ directions but then attempted to leave the area.

When deputies tried to stop Turner from leaving, he fought with them, Sheriff’s reports stated.

During the scuffle Deputy Aaron Nadal, who has worked for the Sheriff’s Department for three years, was reportedly hit in the back of the head with a bag containing two 24-ounce cans of beer.

Deputy Wesley Kraft, a four year veteran of the Sheriff’s Department, responded by drawing his handgun and firing at Turner twice.

Turner was struck and fell to the ground.

He was rushed to Kern Medical Center nearby, where he died around two hours later.

Collis said the situation just didn’t sound like the David Turner he knew.

“It is not like him. He was not a trouble-maker,” Collis said. “The deputy must have provoked him."

It also said the deputy that got hit in the head with deadly beer cans got treated at a hospital and released.

[combatbengal]

First of all, it’s not that hard to be a good citizen! Follow the laws and live your life the way you want to. Pretty simple here in the US. But we get people that test the systems who think they’re above the law. Adam Jones for instance. He said he wasn’t drinking, didn’t resist arrest and was with his wife celebrating her birthday. Let’s think about this! You’re out at 0230 in a bar celebrating your wife’s birthday with the reputation that you’ve created. Nothing good happens after midnight in a bar. If you want to celebrate her birthday, why not do it at your house with friends? It’s a safer environment! But then who am I!

Law enforcement should be trained to use proper protocol. When we left the wire in Iraq, we were briefed on the rules of engagement. 99% of the time, we were instructed not to fire until you’re fired upon. Now, we’re trained to go for the kill shot because it’s a combat environment! Law enforcement on the other hand is trained to wound and slow down the assailant. Why they went for the kill shot right off the bat is beyond me. Like most of you said, he was out numbered; they had Taser guns, clubs, handcuffs….. Smells fishy!!

[ArmyBengal]

I certainly get the military thought process here and can attest to the differences in practice.

Hell, we spent the better portion of 3 months prior to deployment at a rifle range doing nothing more than 2 to the chest, 1 to the head.

It became second nature. Something that could be done with little to no thought. Something that would get you home as opposed to in the ground.

That being said, the Taliban doesn't swing cans of beer in a bag.

[BengalByTheBay]

What I hear from friends born & raised in BK is best summed up as follows:

"Some of those that work forces....

are the same that burn crosses."

Rage

[ArmyBengal]

Rage indeed brother, Rage indeed.

Top 3 favorite bands.

[COB]

What I hear from friends born & raised in BK is best summed up as follows:

"Some of those that work forces....

are the same that burn crosses."

Rage

I'm starting to see it. The attached link is to a second story in the Bakersfield newspaper. The night of the shooting Turner's son and daughter got arrested later, at the hospital. They apparently were eager to complain to a deputy about their father being murdered by a cop. Even though they didn't have any weapons the deputy at the hospital drew his gun to defend himself against deadly assault by the human tongue. He exercised great restraint by not shooting them, instead he just arrested them and now they are charged with various bulls**t charges that, at least according to the story, are supported by no evidence that I can glean from said story.

Note: I keep going to the Bakersfield paper site expecting to read some story or editorial expressing outrage at what I believe was a murder, but instead I keep finding nothing.

/>http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local/x965388522/Son-daughter-of-David-Lee-Turner-charged-in-connection-with-hospital-confrontation?utm_source=widget_63&utm_medium=latest_entries_widget&utm_campaign=synapse

[COB]

Update: Johnnie Cochran protege from Cochran's L.A. firm is representing Deacon's family. Obviously, they want paid. What I really want is a murder indictment.

/>http://www.bakersfield.com/blogs/breaking_news/x965388580/Los-Angeles-attorney-representing-family-of-former-NFL-player-shot-by-deputies?utm_source=widget_71&utm_medium=latest_entries_widget&utm_campaign=synapse

[COB]

Update: Not related to the Turner case, but reading the Bakersfield newspaper, I discovered that Joey Porter has a house there. It's his hometown. And on July 2 four of his dogs got loose and killed a neighbor's dog. Remember when they killed a miniature horse? Joey Porter's dogs are homicidal maniacs who need to be dealt with!

[jjakq27]

Update: Not related to the Turner case, but reading the Bakersfield newspaper, I discovered that Joey Porter has a house there. It's his hometown. And on July 2 four of his dogs got loose and killed a neighbor's dog. Remember when they killed a miniature horse? Joey Porter's dogs are homicidal maniacs who need to be dealt with!

They probably hate the commish too and decided to take it out on someone else.

[jjakq27]

http://msn.foxsports...71911?GT1=39002

Authorities say a California sheriff's deputy didn't violate department policy when he fatally shot a former NFL player after a scuffle at a convenience store.

The Bakersfield Californian reported that the Kern County Sheriff's Incident Review Board issued its finding Monday, one day after NAACP members questioned if the shooting of David Lee "Deacon" Turner was justified.

[Sea Ray]

"I have a 30-year-old son and I have a 24-year-old son. Who's to say that someday they get stopped and they make a wrong move and get shot," she said.

I think the secret here is don't make a wrong move. That means don't pummel an armed officer of the law with a bag of beer. It's not smart and bad things will happen. Why do people think they can beat police officers? If these were two armed buddies on the street would you, armed with only beer cans, bang one of them over the head when you know his buddy has a gun? I doubt it. The article didn't say whether the officers had access to mace or a taser so far as I could tell

[ArmyBengal]

Again, they don't know how to shoot someone in the arm or leg ??

Only trained to go for the kill shot huh ??

I know, heat of things and all and I wasn't there, but i'm still not sold the only answer was to kill the guy.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Again, they don't know how to shoot someone in the arm or leg ??

Only trained to go for the kill shot huh ??

I know, heat of things and all and I wasn't there, but i'm still not sold the only answer was to kill the guy.

Of course it's not. Doesn't the Bakersfield PD own Tasers?

[jjakq27]

I grew up in a bubble but I was always told not to f**k with the cops. It makes life (or death) a whole lot simpler.

We all profess our love for the police, firemen and military in this country, except when we don't want to abide by their rules. Then we try to do what we want and have issues when things go wrong..

I was a fan of Mr. Turner when he played here and am truly sorry to see what happened but it seems like this situation was very avoidable.

[ArmyBengal]

Of course you aren't suppose to mess with the cops. I'm BY NO MEANS advocating what he did prior to getting shot.

However, what he deserved was to get the hell beat out of him or tazed repeatedly, not blown away for swinging beer cans.

AGAIN, these are professionals that are suppose to be trained not to escalate the problem, but to defuse them and you can't tell me they can only go for kill shots.

Even in the military we are held accountable should we just start blowing away people on the battlefield and that is when the enemy is wearing the same clothing as every other joe habeeb walking their camel. If we are suppose to be able to tell the difference and are taught to fire well placed warning shots, you can't tell me the local police, who are sworn to protect and defend aren't or at a minimum can't be.

[redsbengalsbucks]

Again, they don't know how to shoot someone in the arm or leg ??

Only trained to go for the kill shot huh ??

I know, heat of things and all and I wasn't there, but i'm still not sold the only answer was to kill the guy.

I have a couple of family members that either have been or are on the police force. One is a pretty good shot, the other is one of the worst shots in my family. Obviously, the standards for accurate shooting are not very hard to get past. At least around my area.

I know for a fact that the bad shot couldnt hit a person in the leg if he was trying, he would be lucky to hit the main body mass when trying.

[ArmyBengal]

Again, they don't know how to shoot someone in the arm or leg ??

Only trained to go for the kill shot huh ??

I know, heat of things and all and I wasn't there, but i'm still not sold the only answer was to kill the guy.

I have a couple of family members that either have been or are on the police force. One is a pretty good shot, the other is one of the worst shots in my family. Obviously, the standards for accurate shooting are not very hard to get past. At least around my area.

I know for a fact that the bad shot couldnt hit a person in the leg if he was trying, he would be lucky to hit the main body mass when trying.

Nothing personal to anyone you know, but if someone can't effectively fire their weapon, they have no business carrying it.

I'm serious. You are either an expert at your craft when it comes to life and death decisions or you don't do it.

We had a guy while deployed who was infantry and he developed a case of feeling bad for the enemy everytime a firefight occured and people died.

He became apprehensive in his decision making ability and we took him off patrols and he manned the radio the last 5 months in country.

If the military can make those determinations while fighting the enemy, is it to far of a reach to expect our local police forces, tasked to protect and serve the public, to make similar decisions ??