bengalsfan33 Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 At a time when we're getting flooded with rumors regarding possible trade scenarios involving Miami defensive end Adewale Ogunleye (including a three-way trade that would send Ogunleye to D.C., Edgerrin James to Miami, and picks and Travis Minor to Indy), we're hearing rumblings regarding a possible deal between the Bengals and the Dolphins centering on running back Rudi Johnson. Johnson, a restricted free agent operating under a one-year tender, probably won't be retained by the Bengals in 2005, given the presence of 2004 first-rounder Chris Perry. But it would be very risky for the up-and-coming Bengals to dump 2003 workhorse Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 And where did you hear this at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 And where did you hear this at? Yea where did you hear this ?I don't see any way that we make that trade.Rudi IS our Starting RB and we really don't even need a DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Hmmm... Adewale Ogunleye 25 1/2 sacks over the last 2 seasons vs. Duane Clemons 8 1/2...? I don't know about that one..? WE could always use some improvement at the DE position considering how porous our pass rush has been after the 2001 season.Not sure if Rudi in exchange is worth it though..? I like the idea of Rudi and Perry a lot more than I like the idea of Perry and Hicks.. the news source came from profootballtalk.com here's the linkhttp://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan33 Posted July 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I found it at http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htmJust a rumor..Hopefully this does not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Can't see this happening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan33 Posted July 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Can't see this happening... I hope your right. I don't want to see Rudi go. We gave no idea if Perry could even do the job if Rudi was traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Yea I found the link to.Still can't see this happening.We would be taking a hell of a risk at RB plus we would have to come up with BIG $$$ to sign the guy.Who would we Cut to get enough room under the Cap ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Would you trade Clemons and Perry for GooglieEye? I might. Subtract Clemons big extension and Perry's future cap hit to make room for OoglieEye.The Fins lost Williams huge salary as well so they should find room for both. I would definitely do it if they could find a worthwhile RB in return (Travis Minor?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I can't see them going after AO. He wants a contract wth a huge signing bonus, $12-14 million reportedly. We just gave Clemons a big chunk of change, and cap implications aside I wouldn't want to be the one to walk into Mikey and tell him they want to cut or make a backup of a guy he just handed $2 million to! On the other hand, trading Rudi frees up what, $1.8 million, and Ross freed up another million, so they'd have about $3 million in cap space to work with, which would easily be enough to do a deal with AO if they were willing to backload it.Strictly from an on-field perspective, AO would be huge. The big knock on him is that his success is all duy to teams having to double-team Jason Taylor, Miami's other end. Well, right now all other teams do is double Justin Smith, so he walks right into the same situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Ogunleye would be a great addition. It would give the Bengals a legitimate pass rusher on each end...Double Smith and Ogunleye gets 15 sacks, double Ogunleye and Smith gets 12-15 himself, problem still is that teams could beat the rush by ramming it down our throats at our weak DTs !!! So Ogunleye would be nice, bt we gotta get a DT.BTW I'd take a Sam Adams...but only in a bottle or pint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 it would be an awful idea to trade Rudi... we wouldn't want a rookie QB and a rookie HB (or some other non #1 back - Watson or Hicks). Rudi should provide a lot of relief for Carson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoFever Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I don't think the coaching staff would be willing to enter the season with a starting QB and starting RB that have combined for zero NFL snaps. I really do think that Goal #1 in Bengaldom is ensuring that Carson Palmer succeeds. I think that the organization is more concerned with his success than even making the playoffs this year. (<--I'm sure I'll hear about that line)Having a backfield of Johnson and Perry creates a much better recipe for success for Palmer than a backfield of Perry and Hicks or Watson. And the Bengals will do whatever is best for Palmer. That's the bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan33 Posted July 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I don't think the coaching staff would be willing to enter the season with a starting QB and starting RB that have combined for zero NFL snaps. I really do think that Goal #1 in Bengaldom is ensuring that Carson Palmer succeeds. I think that the organization is more concerned with his success than even making the playoffs this year. (<--I'm sure I'll hear about that line)Having a backfield of Johnson and Perry creates a much better recipe for success for Palmer than a backfield of Perry and Hicks or Watson. And the Bengals will do whatever is best for Palmer. That's the bottom line. Exactly. The Bengals would be in some real trouble if they had 2 rookies(Palmer,Perry) starting for them because I say Palmer will be handing off to Rudi most of the time. Rudi is going to for sure rush 1000+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Perry + Clemons for Ogunleye sounds good to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan33 Posted July 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Perry + Clemons for Ogunleye sounds good to me... I would take that in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Here's a theory...Maybe Ogunleye is overated! Playing opposite Taylor makes him a better DE then his stats show? I'm not saying he's not a very good DE, but you have to consider who he plays with. Playing with great players makes you better. So do I think he's worth a first rounder? Hell no...Second rounder...yeah...Is he worth Perry or Rudi? Hell no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I think that the organization is more concerned with his success than even making the playoffs this year. (<--I'm sure I'll hear about that line) I agree because his success = multiple playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 kev:Here's a theory...Maybe Ogunleye is overated! Playing opposite Taylor makes him a better DE then his stats show? I'm not saying he's not a very good DE, but you have to consider who he plays with. Playing with great players makes you better.Likke I said earlier, even if your theory is correct, it doesn't matter. If he's great in Miami because Taylor is soaking up all the double-teams, he'll be just as good here with Smith soaking up all the double-teams. Strictly from the point of view of the bengals' D, this is a no-lose (and very likely big win) situation.Is he worth Perry or Rudi? Hell no.Clearly the Bengals aren't sold on Rudi as The Man. If they were, he'd have a long term deal and his backup wouldn't have been a first round pick. So here's a theory...maybe Rudi is overrated! At least by us fans versus the Bengals' view of him. I don't think they'd be adverse to trading Rudi. If Miami wanted Clemons, too, I think I'd counter we need an '05 pick in that case, too. Make it conditional on Clemons' performance; if Taylor really is all that, he ought to have a good year, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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