The days of Carson Palmer are over.

[BengalszoneBilly]

FWIW I'd be remiss if I didn't mention how much I like this threads newly added subtitle.

Makes me laugh everytime I read it.

In fact, I hereby award this winking thumb thing to whomever was responsible.

My thread, my subtitle, and still not sure.

[jjakq27]

FWIW I'd be remiss if I didn't mention how much I like this threads newly added subtitle.

Makes me laugh everytime I read it.

In fact, I hereby award this winking thumb thing to whomever was responsible.

My thread, my subtitle, and still not sure.

Not I.

[HairOnFire]

FWIW I'd be remiss if I didn't mention how much I like this threads newly added subtitle.

Makes me laugh everytime I read it.

In fact, I hereby award this winking thumb thing to whomever was responsible.

My thread, my subtitle, and still not sure.

Your lingering doubts hardly matter to me when weighed against the incredible reduction in Palmer-related mush mouthing I've been exposed to of late.

Simply put, you and many others were harshing my buzz....and the resraint being shown now is much appreciated.

I sincerely hope you enjoy your much deserved thumb thing.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Your lingering doubts hardly matter to me when weighed against the incredible reduction in Palmer-related mush mouthing I've been exposed to of late.

Simply put, you and many others were harshing my buzz....and the resraint being shown now is much appreciated.

The reprieve may be short lived Hair.

Palmer played adequately against the Browns by not throwing any INT's. He also didn't throw any TD's, and was out performed by rookie McCoy. Nonetheless we squeaked out a 2 point win.

I honestly don't know what happened in the San Diego game. Did his allegedly dead arm miraculously resurrect itself? Was it the absence of Ocho and T.O. that loosened him up? Did Brat dumb down the play calling for the young wideouts and let Carson have less to focus on, or has he actually begun to regain his old form?

I'm not sure either way by a long shot, hence the added subtitle, but I do know come Sunday against the Ravens (a team he usually does well against) may give us a few clues on which way he as well as the Bengals may be going. And let's be clear on one thing... I'm not rooting against him.

[walzav29]

"The media is banging Carson, but he's the real deal," Houshmandzadeh said. "Ask me if I think he's still a top quarterback."

Is he still a top quarterback?

"Does a bear crap in the woods?" Houshmandzadeh asked. "You're looking at a guy who had pretty much all new receivers. You'd see him lead guys to the spot and it would get intercepted. Who is going to get blamed? They weren't on the same page. T.O. was new. Shipley was a rookie. Chad freelances. Then you press and force it. But the guy can still sling it."

I think we're being hard on Carson, and not taking into account all of the other things. I'm for picking up his option. You look at the Bengals and would you want to trade qb situations with

Seattle

San Francisco

Cleveland

Buffalo

Oakland

Detroit

Washington

Or a few others?

[ArmyBengal]

I'm still cool with Carson at QB and don't think there's much more I need to add to it.

I will admit to having those thoughts this season, but they were reactive and fleeting.

I'd be much more interested in hearing why many seem to think a new shiny rookie will fair any better here.

Maybe if Mike Brown scraps the whole offensive coaching unit then I would have hope that the newly drafted QB would be productive in a few seasons. If not, I think it's absolutely pointless. Yeah, I said it, POINTLESS. Then again, we are use to seeing widespread changes with the organizational makeup right ??

[BengalszoneBilly]

Well here's Palmers stats at halftime:

C. Palmer 17/24, 139 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs.

Bulls**t.

[kevnz]

Well here's Palmers stats at halftime:

C. Palmer 17/24, 139 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs.

Bulls**t.

Gimme a break. You are bitching about picks against Ed F'N Reed....The best in the business. You also need to look at run vs pass....

It's a one legged man in an ass kicking contest at this point. No flipping offensive balance at all.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Well here's Palmers stats at halftime:

C. Palmer 17/24, 139 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs.

Bulls**t.

Gimme a break. You are bitching about picks against Ed F'N Reed....The best in the business. You also need to look at run vs pass....

It's a one legged man in an ass kicking contest at this point. No flipping offensive balance at all.

There's winners and losers in this league Kev. You tell me which one fits Carson best.

[Kazkal]

I'd be much more interested in hearing why many seem to think a new shiny rookie will fair any better here.

Maybe if Mike Brown scraps the whole offensive coaching unit then I would have hope that the newly drafted QB would be productive in a few seasons. If not, I think it's absolutely pointless. Yeah, I said it, POINTLESS. Then again, we are use to seeing widespread changes with the organizational makeup right ??

Who knows how rookie would make us better but a fresh face just may be nice to spark interest because carson isn't getting it done on the field...mainly i'd like to see a QB who is somewhat Mobile so we don't feel we have to have a Oline made up of entirely of 1st & 2nd rounders like we feel we have to with Carson... How many playoff teams have more then 3 1st day picks starting on their Oline?Pretty sure Ravens are the only one.

Top 5 Offenses

Eagles LT:Undrafted(FA) LG:4th c:4th RG:4th RT:2nd

Chargers LT:2nd LG:undrafted C:3rd RG: 3rd RT:6th

Giants LT:3rd LG 5th C:undrafted RG:undrafted RT:2nd

Colts:LT:6th LG:undrafted C:undrafted RG:2nd RT 4th

Texans:1st LG:3rd C:6th RG:3rd RT:3rd

Only the Texans have a 1st rounder starting and none of them have multiple 1st day picks used on Oline...We need upgrade the coaching because alexander is a freaking Ra-tard

[kingwilly]

"The media is banging Carson, but he's the real deal," Houshmandzadeh said. "Ask me if I think he's still a top quarterback."

Is he still a top quarterback?

"Does a bear crap in the woods?" Houshmandzadeh asked. "You're looking at a guy who had pretty much all new receivers. You'd see him lead guys to the spot and it would get intercepted. Who is going to get blamed? They weren't on the same page. T.O. was new. Shipley was a rookie. Chad freelances. Then you press and force it. But the guy can still sling it."

I think we're being hard on Carson, and not taking into account all of the other things. I'm for picking up his option. You look at the Bengals and would you want to trade qb situations with

Seattle

San Francisco

Cleveland

Buffalo

Oakland

Detroit

Washington

Or a few others?

I'll take Stafford, McCoy or Gradkowski over Carson right now.

Carson is basically Alex Smith at this point. Not a shred of consistency. Brat has ruined him.

He will get a job, for certain, and maybe at one of the above. I doubt he will start for the Bengals again.

[BengalPimp]

I'd be much more interested in hearing why many seem to think a new shiny rookie will fair any better here.

Maybe if Mike Brown scraps the whole offensive coaching unit then I would have hope that the newly drafted QB would be productive in a few seasons. If not, I think it's absolutely pointless. Yeah, I said it, POINTLESS. Then again, we are use to seeing widespread changes with the organizational makeup right ??

Who knows how rookie would make us better but a fresh face just may be nice to spark interest because carson isn't getting it done on the field...mainly i'd like to see a QB who is somewhat Mobile so we don't feel we have to have a Oline made up of entirely of 1st & 2nd rounders like we feel we have to with Carson... How many playoff teams have more then 3 1st day picks starting on their Oline?Pretty sure Ravens are the only one.

Top 5 Offenses

Eagles LT:Undrafted(FA) LG:4th c:4th RG:4th RT:2nd

Chargers LT:2nd LG:undrafted C:3rd RG: 3rd RT:6th

Giants LT:3rd LG 5th C:undrafted RG:undrafted RT:2nd

Colts:LT:6th LG:undrafted C:undrafted RG:2nd RT 4th

Texans:1st LG:3rd C:6th RG:3rd RT:3rd

Only the Texans have a 1st rounder starting and none of them have multiple 1st day picks used on Oline...We need upgrade the coaching because alexander is a freaking Ra-tard

I notice how you left out the Jets and their 3 former 1st RD picks on the O-Line.....D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and Damien Woody (yes he was a 1st RD pick of the Pats, but still a 1st Rd'er) also waiting in the wings is 2nd Rd'er Vlad Ducasse

[BengalPimp]

Well here's Palmers stats at halftime:

C. Palmer 17/24, 139 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs.

Bulls**t.

Gimme a break. You are bitching about picks against Ed F'N Reed....The best in the business. You also need to look at run vs pass....

It's a one legged man in an ass kicking contest at this point. No flipping offensive balance at all.

There's winners and losers in this league Kev. You tell me which one fits Carson best.

Gimme another QB who will throw for 3,970 yds and 26 TD's with this group (including 305 yds vs.Ravens without his 2 starting WR's and starting TE) and I'm ok with Carson going. BUT...If you want him replaced by a guy like Newton (who you love) who will most likely NEVER put up those kind of passing #'s I say FORGET IT !!! You don't just get rid of your QB unless you ALREADY have someone on your roster capable of not only replacing him, but an improvement....The Bengals don't have that, it's not available in Free-Agency, and at #3 Overall in the draft, it's not available there either. Get a new O-Coordinator, and I guarantee you'll see a new Palmer.

***note: before you mention today's 2 picks, look again and see that both were tipped balls, and who is better in the NFL in getting to tipped passes than the Ravens and ESPECIALLY Ed Reed?

**********LANDRY JONES IN 2012**********

[Kazkal]

I'd be much more interested in hearing why many seem to think a new shiny rookie will fair any better here.

Maybe if Mike Brown scraps the whole offensive coaching unit then I would have hope that the newly drafted QB would be productive in a few seasons. If not, I think it's absolutely pointless. Yeah, I said it, POINTLESS. Then again, we are use to seeing widespread changes with the organizational makeup right ??

Who knows how rookie would make us better but a fresh face just may be nice to spark interest because carson isn't getting it done on the field...mainly i'd like to see a QB who is somewhat Mobile so we don't feel we have to have a Oline made up of entirely of 1st & 2nd rounders like we feel we have to with Carson... How many playoff teams have more then 3 1st day picks starting on their Oline?Pretty sure Ravens are the only one.

Top 5 Offenses

Eagles LT:Undrafted(FA) LG:4th c:4th RG:4th RT:2nd

Chargers LT:2nd LG:undrafted C:3rd RG: 3rd RT:6th

Giants LT:3rd LG 5th C:undrafted RG:undrafted RT:2nd

Colts:LT:6th LG:undrafted C:undrafted RG:2nd RT 4th

Texans:1st LG:3rd C:6th RG:3rd RT:3rd

Only the Texans have a 1st rounder starting and none of them have multiple 1st day picks used on Oline...We need upgrade the coaching because alexander is a freaking Ra-tard

I notice how you left out the Jets and their 3 former 1st RD picks on the O-Line.....D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and Damien Woody (yes he was a 1st RD pick of the Pats, but still a 1st Rd'er) also waiting in the wings is 2nd Rd'er Vlad Ducasse

Are Jets even in the Playoffs?either way the Teams I listed are the TOP 5 Offenses Okay Jets have alot of 1st round linemen but they also have a Franchise or or Sanchize QB

[kingwilly]

I'd be much more interested in hearing why many seem to think a new shiny rookie will fair any better here.

Maybe if Mike Brown scraps the whole offensive coaching unit then I would have hope that the newly drafted QB would be productive in a few seasons. If not, I think it's absolutely pointless. Yeah, I said it, POINTLESS. Then again, we are use to seeing widespread changes with the organizational makeup right ??

Who knows how rookie would make us better but a fresh face just may be nice to spark interest because carson isn't getting it done on the field...mainly i'd like to see a QB who is somewhat Mobile so we don't feel we have to have a Oline made up of entirely of 1st & 2nd rounders like we feel we have to with Carson... How many playoff teams have more then 3 1st day picks starting on their Oline?Pretty sure Ravens are the only one.

Top 5 Offenses

Eagles LT:Undrafted(FA) LG:4th c:4th RG:4th RT:2nd

Chargers LT:2nd LG:undrafted C:3rd RG: 3rd RT:6th

Giants LT:3rd LG 5th C:undrafted RG:undrafted RT:2nd

Colts:LT:6th LG:undrafted C:undrafted RG:2nd RT 4th

Texans:1st LG:3rd C:6th RG:3rd RT:3rd

Only the Texans have a 1st rounder starting and none of them have multiple 1st day picks used on Oline...We need upgrade the coaching because alexander is a freaking Ra-tard

I notice how you left out the Jets and their 3 former 1st RD picks on the O-Line.....D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and Damien Woody (yes he was a 1st RD pick of the Pats, but still a 1st Rd'er) also waiting in the wings is 2nd Rd'er Vlad Ducasse

Jets are not a top 5 offense (6th in run game, 13h in passing), to be clear.

You are right, they have stacked the line with high grade talent.

Consider the Pats, 1st in scoring offense and 10-12 range running and passing by yardage. Their line has

RT: r2 pick - RG: r5 - C: r5 - LG: r1 - LT: r2

Their regular RT is Nick Kaczur who was a r3 pick.

Coaching and selecting players who fit the scheme is more important that where they are taken. This is why I questioned the Andre Smith selection. He brings all the attributes you do not want to a team that is ill equipped to provide what he needs. Perfect. Nice work, SoP.

[BengalPimp]

I'd be much more interested in hearing why many seem to think a new shiny rookie will fair any better here.

Maybe if Mike Brown scraps the whole offensive coaching unit then I would have hope that the newly drafted QB would be productive in a few seasons. If not, I think it's absolutely pointless. Yeah, I said it, POINTLESS. Then again, we are use to seeing widespread changes with the organizational makeup right ??

Who knows how rookie would make us better but a fresh face just may be nice to spark interest because carson isn't getting it done on the field...mainly i'd like to see a QB who is somewhat Mobile so we don't feel we have to have a Oline made up of entirely of 1st & 2nd rounders like we feel we have to with Carson... How many playoff teams have more then 3 1st day picks starting on their Oline?Pretty sure Ravens are the only one.

Top 5 Offenses

Eagles LT:Undrafted(FA) LG:4th c:4th RG:4th RT:2nd

Chargers LT:2nd LG:undrafted C:3rd RG: 3rd RT:6th

Giants LT:3rd LG 5th C:undrafted RG:undrafted RT:2nd

Colts:LT:6th LG:undrafted C:undrafted RG:2nd RT 4th

Texans:1st LG:3rd C:6th RG:3rd RT:3rd

Only the Texans have a 1st rounder starting and none of them have multiple 1st day picks used on Oline...We need upgrade the coaching because alexander is a freaking Ra-tard

I notice how you left out the Jets and their 3 former 1st RD picks on the O-Line.....D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and Damien Woody (yes he was a 1st RD pick of the Pats, but still a 1st Rd'er) also waiting in the wings is 2nd Rd'er Vlad Ducasse

Are Jets even in the Playoffs?either way the Teams I listed are the TOP 5 Offenses Okay Jets have alot of 1st round linemen but they also have a Franchise or or Sanchize QB

Yes, the Jets are in the Playoffs, and will face Kansas City Colts next week in the WildCard round

***Edit: Colts won after i posted this, and they will now host the Jets.

[BengalPimp]

]

Jets are not a top 5 offense (6th in run game, 13h in passing), to be clear.

I know the Jets are not a top 5 offense, it was in reply to his question of how many "Playoff Teams" have more than 3 1st Day picks, well, the Jets have 3 1st Round picks....and yes you are completely right about the coaching aspect of it (in addition to scouting as well) I mean c'mon Belichick? Mike Brown will NEVER employ any coach that good, because it would mean Mike Brown giving up power and his Paper GM title....

[BengalszoneBilly]

/>http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=players-air-and-ground

Palmer is up for the FedEx Player of the Week this week.

What a difference a week makes.

[membengal]

For those banging for a change at QB, let's at least define the terms of said change realistically. There will NOT be a qb worth taking at #3 overall. Luck, if he comes out, goes #1 overall. After that? Newton, Locker, Mallet, etc. all will likely have mid-first round at best grades. It would be a reach and then some to grab one that high. That is something, if their grades end up like it looks like they will, I can't support.

For those of you wanting a change at quarterback, best thing would be to take Green of the Clemson DE at the spot where Cincy will pick and then grab one of the qbs who slips out of the first round with their pick at the top of the 2nd.

[Kazkal]

know the Jets are not a top 5 offense, it was in reply to his question of how many "Playoff Teams" have more than 3

I Asked if any other playoff team did you said I had left them out when I had listed top 5 offenses....

[bwillycuse]

I'd be much more interested in hearing why many seem to think a new shiny rookie will fair any better here.

Maybe if Mike Brown scraps the whole offensive coaching unit then I would have hope that the newly drafted QB would be productive in a few seasons. If not, I think it's absolutely pointless. Yeah, I said it, POINTLESS. Then again, we are use to seeing widespread changes with the organizational makeup right ??

Who knows how rookie would make us better but a fresh face just may be nice to spark interest because carson isn't getting it done on the field...mainly i'd like to see a QB who is somewhat Mobile so we don't feel we have to have a Oline made up of entirely of 1st & 2nd rounders like we feel we have to with Carson... How many playoff teams have more then 3 1st day picks starting on their Oline?Pretty sure Ravens are the only one.

Top 5 Offenses

Eagles LT:Undrafted(FA) LG:4th c:4th RG:4th RT:2nd

Chargers LT:2nd LG:undrafted C:3rd RG: 3rd RT:6th

Giants LT:3rd LG 5th C:undrafted RG:undrafted RT:2nd

Colts:LT:6th LG:undrafted C:undrafted RG:2nd RT 4th

Texans:1st LG:3rd C:6th RG:3rd RT:3rd

Only the Texans have a 1st rounder starting and none of them have multiple 1st day picks used on Oline...We need upgrade the coaching because alexander is a freaking Ra-tard

I notice how you left out the Jets and their 3 former 1st RD picks on the O-Line.....D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, and Damien Woody (yes he was a 1st RD pick of the Pats, but still a 1st Rd'er) also waiting in the wings is 2nd Rd'er Vlad Ducasse

Are Jets even in the Playoffs?either way the Teams I listed are the TOP 5 Offenses Okay Jets have alot of 1st round linemen but they also have a Franchise or or Sanchize QB

Yes, the Jets are in the Playoffs, and will face Kansas City next week in the WildCard round

Balt gets KC.

[jjakq27]

http://www.nfl.com/p...-air-and-ground

Palmer is up for the FedEx Player of the Week this week.

What a difference a week makes.

No kidding. What award is he up for this week? Yikes.

[BengalszoneBilly]

http://www.nfl.com/p...-air-and-ground

Palmer is up for the FedEx Player of the Week this week.

What a difference a week makes.

No kidding. What award is he up for this week? Yikes.

Is there such a thing as a "Former Pro Bowl QB Blowing It Out His A$$" award? If so he's got that one locked up.

[jjakq27]

http://www.nfl.com/p...-air-and-ground

Palmer is up for the FedEx Player of the Week this week.

What a difference a week makes.

No kidding. What award is he up for this week? Yikes.

Is there such a thing as a "Former Pro Bowl QB Blowing It Out His A$$" award? If so he's got that one locked up.

There's probably a bowl game with that name but no award yet!

[jjakq27]

Per bengals.com

» Palmer finished the season with 586 pass attempts, the most ever in a single season by a Bengals quarterback, breaking the previous mark of 581 by Jon Kitna in 2001.