Bratkowski's playcalling... Get the ball moving!!

[HairOnFire]

I agree with the play calling issue but another issue is clock management and a sense of urgency.

Agreed, and Bratkowski just commented on that very point. So maybe change is coming. But the lack of urgency only highlites the need for playcalling simplicity because Bratkowski has previously stated that on nearly every down Palmer approaches the LOS with not one, but three playcalls. Specifically, the primary play choice and two designated audibles....typically one of each type, pass and run. So for Palmer to have the time needed to check into an audible he needs the team at the LOS sooner, especially when dealing with so many skill position players being new to the system.

[combatbengal]

It'd be nice to see that happen. I still think the no huddle works better than what we're doing now! There were times in last weeks game to where we had no coverage on a WR and Palmer didn't see it before he had the ball snapped. One other thing that I noticed is that Palmer takes to long to make the decision to run with the ball.

We better score some touchdowns this week!

[Stripes]

More relevant to the first post than any other in the thread:

Anyone who claims to predict a noteworthy majority of the Bengals offensive plays before they're executed is full of s**t. It's not that the Bengals are significantly unpredictable as compared to any other team, it's that no football team at any level is quite that simple (except a peewee team that only runs the ball).

Bulls**t dude... your wrong.

I surely have been before. I don't believe you're making a realistic assertion in this thread though.

[wpeldios]

I saw at least 2 runs where the defenders looked like they knew the run play, not just that it was going to be a run. They meet the RB behind the LOS and never looked anywhere else. Time to change your plays Brat!!

Beyond the predictability of the schemes themselves, what do we think of the possibility that a player or players might be tipping the plays? Could be as simple as an O-lineman leaning one way or placement of his feet, whatever.

My brother thought he could see Chad tipping that it was a run play.

I couldn't confirm though. I could imagine a wr not seem as 'into' the set up if he knows its not coming his way.

But- I do know that when Palmer audibles - it seems to be an audible into a run that doesn't work.

I dont know about Chad, but when he was hear Houshmanzadeh would take a slightly different stance when he was going to block.

[BengalPimp]

Maybe they should start employing simple voice commands like that to simplify things across the board.

Like when Nugent is lined up for a FG, someone can yell, "KICK THAT SH*T HARD" !!!

It's all about simplifying things...

Perfect. Right before the ball is snapped, Carson can just yell, "Push Guy Away" at the linemen.

I also like " Don't move 'til we snap it"

[BengalPimp]

I saw at least 2 runs where the defenders looked like they knew the run play, not just that it was going to be a run. They meet the RB behind the LOS and never looked anywhere else. Time to change your plays Brat!!

Beyond the predictability of the schemes themselves, what do we think of the possibility that a player or players might be tipping the plays? Could be as simple as an O-lineman leaning one way or placement of his feet, whatever.

My brother thought he could see Chad tipping that it was a run play.

I couldn't confirm though. I could imagine a wr not seem as 'into' the set up if he knows its not coming his way.

But- I do know that when Palmer audibles - it seems to be an audible into a run that doesn't work.

I dont know about Chad, but when he was hear Houshmanzadeh would take a slightly different stance when he was going to block.

Look at any WR long enough, and they all have "tells". If it's a running play to their side, most WR's set themselves slighly different...small things that often go unnoticed, such as shoulder position, and just how far back their back foot is planted, etc. The CB's usually have any idea, but they're not just going to break off the WR before the ball is snapped. TRUST ME...The LB's and D-Lineman are not looking at how the WR's are setting up, they're concentrating on the QB, and any motion, or shift by O-Line/TE's.

Pointless arguement.

[agreen_112]

More relevant to the first post than any other in the thread:

Anyone who claims to predict a noteworthy majority of the Bengals offensive plays before they're executed is full of s**t. It's not that the Bengals are significantly unpredictable as compared to any other team, it's that no football team at any level is quite that simple (except a peewee team that only runs the ball).

Bulls**t dude... your wrong.

I surely have been before. I don't believe you're making a realistic assertion in this thread though.

Alright, I guess I gotta break it down for you. Go back and watch the tapes from the Carolina game, you'll see how easy it is to predict....

The audibles for example are EXTREMELY easy to predict. How many audibles did you notice were runs for 1, maybe 2, yards? Did you see the signal? I did. Carolina's defense did to... Palmer would take his right arm and extend it up to the air with one finger up, which was the signal for a simple run play. Palmer called this same audible about a half dozen times or more. Carolina picked up the hand signal after the second time the play was ran... Damn near EVERY audible was a run play.

After watching Carolina's game I'm worried. This offense has to be the most predictable offense in the NFL. Audibles are just one example of that...

[agreen_112]

I saw at least 2 runs where the defenders looked like they knew the run play, not just that it was going to be a run. They meet the RB behind the LOS and never looked anywhere else. Time to change your plays Brat!!

Beyond the predictability of the schemes themselves, what do we think of the possibility that a player or players might be tipping the plays? Could be as simple as an O-lineman leaning one way or placement of his feet, whatever.

My brother thought he could see Chad tipping that it was a run play.

I couldn't confirm though. I could imagine a wr not seem as 'into' the set up if he knows its not coming his way.

But- I do know that when Palmer audibles - it seems to be an audible into a run that doesn't work.

I dont know about Chad, but when he was hear Houshmanzadeh would take a slightly different stance when he was going to block.

Look at any WR long enough, and they all have "tells". If it's a running play to their side, most WR's set themselves slighly different...small things that often go unnoticed, such as shoulder position, and just how far back their back foot is planted, etc. The CB's usually have any idea, but they're not just going to break off the WR before the ball is snapped. TRUST ME...The LB's and D-Lineman are not looking at how the WR's are setting up, they're concentrating on the QB, and any motion, or shift by O-Line/TE's.

Pointless arguement.

It's not pointless, it's a direct reflection of the coaching staff and the offensive cordinator. They have major problems on offense, with one of the worst being predictabiliy. We will not will against big teams in the playoffs with these mannerisms.

[Kazkal]

“It was determined coming out of camp that Nate had won that job and now Evan is forced into being our backup center,” Bratkowski said. “He’s got to put a lot more time taking reps at center so we’ll be prepared in the event something happens to Kyle (Cook). Evan’s got to take those snaps at center, which takes away from his work at guard.”

I hate brat.

[kingwilly]

“It was determined coming out of camp that Nate had won that job and now Evan is forced into being our backup center,” Bratkowski said. “He’s got to put a lot more time taking reps at center so we’ll be prepared in the event something happens to Kyle (Cook). Evan’s got to take those snaps at center, which takes away from his work at guard.”

I hate brat.

Good thing they nailed it with the Luigs pick .... Could have had Louis Murphy or Austin Collie.

Wasted pick. Nice Job.

[TJJackson]

Alright, I guess I gotta break it down for you.

You know, I thank the good Lord every day that we have a vastly intelligent semi pro ball player who also dates Cedric bensons cousin's brother's dog-walker's father's bestfriend's older sister to give us top quality Bengals football analysis we can only get here, and only from agreen.

Thank God for you, agreen.

Thank God.

[volcom69]

“It was determined coming out of camp that Nate had won that job and now Evan is forced into being our backup center,” Bratkowski said. “He’s got to put a lot more time taking reps at center so we’ll be prepared in the event something happens to Kyle (Cook). Evan’s got to take those snaps at center, which takes away from his work at guard.”

I hate brat.

Thats bullcrap, he could be the starting guard, and still backup center. If the center went down then Mathis could just move over. What a waste!

[Orange and black fanatic]

I hate brat.

Amen. Simple enough. The only thing you forgot is: "He sucks."

[agreen_112]

Alright, I guess I gotta break it down for you.

You know, I thank the good Lord every day that we have a vastly intelligent semi pro ball player who also dates Cedric bensons cousin's brother's dog-walker's father's bestfriend's older sister to give us top quality Bengals football analysis we can only get here, and only from agreen.

Thank God for you, agreen.

Thank God.

Like I said, HUGE problems on offense! We play to every oppenent's level. We just lost to the freaking Cleveland Browns and didn't control the pace one bit.. This offense should've demolished the Browns D.

T.O. had huge numbers. Gresham, Ocho and Shipley were all productive.

The run game was once again, predictable. Our D was wore out. This team is pathetic, hope they get it turned around quick.