53 man roster announced...Roster moves through the Pre-season

[bwillycuse]

Coats should have left on the same train as Graham.

I don't trust him when it counts. He had his chances and dropped them or fumbled them.

He is not like by the fans and wont get good reaction if he does anything on the field that is negative. Coffman doesnt get cut IMO. Coats may make it but I hope not.

Has Reggie Kelly played yet?

[redsbengalsbucks]

Coats should have left on the same train as Graham.

I don't trust him when it counts. He had his chances and dropped them or fumbled them.

He is not like by the fans and wont get good reaction if he does anything on the field that is negative. Coffman doesnt get cut IMO. Coats may make it but I hope not.

Has Reggie Kelly played yet?

Reggie has been in some, I dont think they have thrown to him yet. He seems to be the blocking option at TE, which is no surprise.

[kingwilly]

Marvin White has just come back, so that adds to an already crowded S/DB competition.

I think these are on the CUT list:

Rucker - just too crowded at DE. Fanene, Dunlap, Odom, Geathers... I suppose Geathers could be the surprise cut, due to a cost/benefit decision, but that would surprise me.

CB - with Hall, Joseph, A. Jones, Morgan Trent and Brandon Ghee all looking like locks, David Jones will exit. He will get grabbed because he is fast and does make plays.

Safeties - Crocker, Williams, Ndukwe, and Hebert are locks. Can newly signed White make Ndukwe expendable? Can Nelson beat out Rico Murray? I think surprise cut could be Ndukwe.

I have been a proponent of moving Collins for a while. He is a decent Tackle, and has value to teams with bad O-line health or depth, like Denver or Washington, or Philly.... Moving him to get a pick or two, or a veteran QB would be smart at this point.

I think we say goodbye to Rucker, David Jones, Ndukwe shortly.

[volcom69]

Marvin White has just come back, so that adds to an already crowded S/DB competition.

I think these are on the CUT list:

Rucker - just too crowded at DE. Fanene, Dunlap, Odom, Geathers... I suppose Geathers could be the surprise cut, due to a cost/benefit decision, but that would surprise me.

CB - with Hall, Joseph, A. Jones, Morgan Trent and Brandon Ghee all looking like locks, David Jones will exit. He will get grabbed because he is fast and does make plays.

Safeties - Crocker, Williams, Ndukwe, and Hebert are locks. Can newly signed White make Ndukwe expendable? Can Nelson beat out Rico Murray? I think surprise cut could be Ndukwe.

I have been a proponent of moving Collins for a while. He is a decent Tackle, and has value to teams with bad O-line health or depth, like Denver or Washington, or Philly.... Moving him to get a pick or two, or a veteran QB would be smart at this point.

I think we say goodbye to Rucker, David Jones, Ndukwe shortly.

Marvin couldnt tackle when he was here, he would never wrap up to tackle so i hope he learned how to do that.

I like Rucker in fact i thought Fanene and Rucker did a better job then what Geathers and Odom did when they were in there

David Jones will be gone i think, but i still think Ndukwe will be here, he has been getting a ton of playing time. I dont like him in the pass, but hes not to bad rushing the passer and the run. Im not sure White will stick though. Guess time will tell

[ArmyBengal]

I think we need to keep as much o-line depth as possible, but I suppose anything is possible.

We brought Marvin white back ?? I missed that, but always liked him when he was here. Didn't he hurt his knee ?? I think Ndukwe is on borrowed time whether it's this year or next, I don't expect him much after that.

I'm interested to see what they do on the d-line as well, because even though Rucker isn't thought of much, every time he's in there, he is making plays. They have really had some good picks, making this difficult. Michael Johnson, Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap ?? Yeah, nice. Fanene also makes a bunch of plays. I'm glad I'm not the one making that call.

[Stripes]

Ndukwe already beat out Marvin White once, and I don't expect that to change this time.

[Kazkal]

Coffman- Cut. We've got the pass catching TE in Gresham. Bye Chase.

So we can keep Coats? HELL NO....Reggie is running out gas Coffman still has plenty time to develop

Coats- Stays. Improved blocking. Less pressure to catch the ball but when it's been thrown his way so far, he's caught it.

If he's not expected to catch the ball we may as list Roland as a TE I hope your dead wrong.

Cosby- Stays. Not sure this is a surprise. Excellent in the return game and can back up at WR. won't surprise me but I think his best chance is if we go light at QB and keep 7 wr

Jeanty- Cut. Can't stay healthy and seems to have reached his potential in this defense. Is Pup List possible since he hasn't practiced?

Rey- Addition. When in the game at LB has been everywhere the ball is.

Trunzo- Addition? Looks solid. Plays where he needs to be. Ya and with fui not staying healthy just looks like he'll be oddman out.

David Jones- Stays? Can he be the 4th CB or will it be Ghee? Ghee is a lock. Jones has played well thus far, however. So has Trent if we go with 6 CB's Jones may stay but I still think we go 5 & 5

Yeah, Coffman hasn't done a ton by any means. He had an amazing catch on 4th down last game for 22 yards and then he had a heads up hustle play when Simpson fumbled last night to recover. Once again, I just think his ceiling is what will keep him on the team and send Coats packing. Maybe I just hate Coats...

His Ceiling is worth it over Coats >_< you also have factor in he's working with 2nd team which has JTO throwing the ball...My only knock with him last night was on A.Jones return he didn't block the guy who ended up tackling A.Jones

PS,I Don't see Ndukwe going anywhere this year but I think next year a team will be willing to sign him as a starter...Which is fine with me if Roy Can stay healthy because I love me some of that hitman.

[ArmyBengal]

I always loved the intensity that White brought to the secondary and was a big hitter who played well against the run. Didn't he get hurt and released prior to Zimmer ?? If he's healthy again, I would love to see what he could do under Zimmer. Although I can admit Ndukwe flashes from time to time, I'm just not a huge fan of his.

[Stripes]

I am inclined to think of White as a poor-man's Ndukwe. Both are strong against the run and very physical, and neither plays terribly well in pass coverage. The difference is that Ndukwe is bad in coverage and White is horrible in coverage.

Still, they wouldn't have brought White back if they didn't want him to make a push for a roster spot, so I won't say he has *no* chance.

[bwillycuse]

when is first roster cut date and how many?

[membengal]

It is my uninformed opinion that any of you that think Coates is staying over Coffman are beyond high.

Perhaps you could make an argument that Coates stays over Kelly, but I don't see it.

Frankly, any talk of Coates being on this club from any of you is some Bengals equivalent of the Stockholm Syndrome.

[jjakq27]

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/White-re-joins-Bengals/5020ad62-dde7-4f6a-af17-50bb14e5e3c0

Signed S Marvin White to replace Gibril Wilson.

Signed rookie G/T Chris Rodgers of Ohio University. to replace Andrew Mitchell.

Released OT Andrew Mitchell in the "waived-injured" category. Mitchell suffered a knee injury on Aug. 15 vs. Denver. If he clears waivers tomorrow, he will go to the Bengals Reserve/Injured list.

[cincyhokie]

It is my uninformed opinion that any of you that think Coates is staying over Coffman are beyond high.

Perhaps you could make an argument that Coates stays over Kelly, but I don't see it.

Frankly, any talk of Coates being on this club from any of you is some Bengals equivalent of the Stockholm Syndrome.

I would ask the question why did the team retain Coates in the offseason? Why did they let Foschi go who was a much better receiver in 2009?

I do think that Coffman does have a higher "potential" than Coates. What's against Coffman is that he doesn't fit into this offense at the time being. Gresham has stepped up to be the go-to TE. Kelly is the best blocker. What does Coffman do for this offense that Gresham, Coates, or Kelly can't do?

I see where alot of people would want him gone and after last season I did too. However, the Bengals see something in Coates otherwise he would have been gone a long time ago. While Coffman might have the better upside as an athlete than Coates, I wonder if the Bengals think that Coates fits this offensive scheme better.

So the question is: Do the Bengals retain the another roster spot for Coffman again this year wating for him to reach his potential (which will be hard to do with Gresham in there) or do they give the spot to someone who might fit their scheme better?

[cincyhokie]

Rucker - just too crowded at DE. Fanene, Dunlap, Odom, Geathers... I suppose Geathers could be the surprise cut, due to a cost/benefit decision, but that would surprise me.

IMO, I think Rucker has shown more last year, and this year so far, than Geathers. Geathers has hit his ceiling and may be the one gone.

[membengal]

Hokie, Coffman is in the Utecht role. A second pass-catching TE. I would be flabbergasted if Coats makes this team over Coffman. I think Coats was retained as Kelly insurance.

[membengal]

And if anything were to happen to Gresham, and this team defaulted to Coates because it had cut Coffman, I would probably stalk Mike Brown at his house.

God, do I hate Coates.

[cincyhokie]

Hokie, Coffman is in the Utecht role. A second pass-catching TE. I would be flabbergasted if Coats makes this team over Coffman. I think Coats was retained as Kelly insurance.

This would imply Bratowski can develop an offense with 2 pass catching TE's. He's yet to do it completely with one.

I see what you're saying but honestly I haven't seen s**t from Coffman yet. Even when he is on the field, regardless of who is throwing to him, he looks timid. He looks scared to take on blocks, hasn't shown any explosiveness against LB's, and looks generally lost.

The Bengals were patient with Simpson and I wonder if they will be just as patient with Coffman.

[membengal]

Did you miss his beautiful grab against the Cowboys downfield? It was noteworthy.

And I would submit bashing Bratkowski for lack of usage of TEs begs the statement that he has not exactly been blessed with even a decent pass catching TE for most of his tenure here.

It is clear from the first few Gresham games he has plays for the TE ready to go. I bet he has two TE packages where both can be targets lying around too.

[cincyhokie]

Did you miss his beautiful grab against the Cowboys downfield? It was noteworthy.

I did see that and it was a heck of a catch. Granted it was in the 4th qtr against the 3rd team defense but a great catch.

It is clear from the first few Gresham games he has plays for the TE ready to go. I bet he has two TE packages where both can be targets lying around too.

This is at the heart of what I am concerned about. The Bengals are a run first, TE blocking, offensive team. Does Bratkowski have plays for Gresham and Coffman? I have serious concerns he would do any of this UNLESS one of the TE's is a blocking stud.

I really want Coffman to reach his potential and become the next Rodney Holman. I just don't know if he fits right now and if the Bengals will wait for him to fit.

[jjakq27]

Hokie, Coffman is in the Utecht role. A second pass-catching TE. I would be flabbergasted if Coats makes this team over Coffman. I think Coats was retained as Kelly insurance.

I agree. And if he gets cut and something happens to Kelly he will be back here in no time.

[bwillycuse]

Did you miss his beautiful grab against the Cowboys downfield? It was noteworthy.

I did see that and it was a heck of a catch. Granted it was in the 4th qtr against the 3rd team defense but a great catch.

It is clear from the first few Gresham games he has plays for the TE ready to go. I bet he has two TE packages where both can be targets lying around too.

This is at the heart of what I am concerned about. The Bengals are a run first, TE blocking, offensive team. Does Bratkowski have plays for Gresham and Coffman? I have serious concerns he would do any of this UNLESS one of the TE's is a blocking stud.

I really want Coffman to reach his potential and become the next Rodney Holman. I just don't know if he fits right now and if the Bengals will wait for him to fit.

Bengals aren't a run first offense. They may say that they were last year, but not this year. They are a balanced attack with I imagine a stronger emphasis on the pass than run.

Coffman isn't getting cut. Its only his second year and he is a third rd pick. Kelly is on a one year deal I think and is gone next year regardless. Coats only chance is because we don't really have a fullback. It could also be stated that if we have Kelly why keep Coats. Both wont make it.(Keep 3 TE's is my assumption)

[bwillycuse]

when is first roster cut date and how many?

Found it.

Aug. 31: Roster cutdown to maximum of 75 players.

Sept. 4: Roster cutdown to maximum of 53 players

[jjakq27]

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=3818981

Key roster cutdown dates with the Bengals games added in for reference:

July 22: Signing period ends at 4 p.m. ET for unrestricted free agents who received June 1 tender.

Aug. 6-8: Hall of Fame Weekend, Canton, Ohio.

Sunday, August 8: Pro Football Hall of Fame Game: Cowboys vs. Bengals, 8 p.m. ET, Canton, Ohio

Aug. 10: Deadline for players under contract to report to earn a season of free agency credit.

Aug. 12-16: First preseason weekend.

Aug. 13: If a drafted rookie has not signed with his club by this date, he may not be traded to any other club in 2010.

Sunday, August 15: Bengals v Broncos, 7pm

Friday, August 20: Bengals v Eagles, 8pm

Saturday, August 28: Bengals at Bills, 6:30pm

Aug. 31: Roster cutdown to maximum of 75 players.

Thursday, September 2: Bengals at Colts, 7pm

Sat., Sept. 4: Roster cutdown to maximum of 53 players

Sept. 9-13: Kickoff 2010 Weekend

Sunday, September 12: Bengals at Patriots, 1pm

[cincyhokie]

Did you miss his beautiful grab against the Cowboys downfield? It was noteworthy.

I did see that and it was a heck of a catch. Granted it was in the 4th qtr against the 3rd team defense but a great catch.

It is clear from the first few Gresham games he has plays for the TE ready to go. I bet he has two TE packages where both can be targets lying around too.

This is at the heart of what I am concerned about. The Bengals are a run first, TE blocking, offensive team. Does Bratkowski have plays for Gresham and Coffman? I have serious concerns he would do any of this UNLESS one of the TE's is a blocking stud.

I really want Coffman to reach his potential and become the next Rodney Holman. I just don't know if he fits right now and if the Bengals will wait for him to fit.

Bengals aren't a run first offense. They may say that they were last year, but not this year. They are a balanced attack with I imagine a stronger emphasis on the pass than run.

Coffman isn't getting cut. Its only his second year and he is a third rd pick. Kelly is on a one year deal I think and is gone next year regardless. Coats only chance is because we don't really have a fullback. It could also be stated that if we have Kelly why keep Coats. Both wont make it.(Keep 3 TE's is my assumption)

Not quite sure why some of you think Kelly is for sure gone after this year. They signed him to a one year deal because he blew out his achillies last year. That's the reason.

I really hope you're right. I'll have to see Bratkowski's genius in action before I fully know where this team is going. If it's to a pass first offense away from the ball control we saw last year, then I'll be happier than anything.

Right now I see signs of what we saw last year. A fairly good balance but nothing crazy in the passing schemes. Control the ball with 5-10 yard passes that require personnel who can BLOCK so Carson doesn't get knocked on his a**.

The question isn't who is the better player. The question is what player the team wants to fit their scheme. From what I see so far Coffman will take up a roster spot and be inactive again this year. The good side of that is he may come around by 2011 as Simpson has.

[ArmyBengal]

I think the biggest thing is to look at what the Bengals have been trying to do with the tight end position. They have been trying hard over the past several seasons to bring in tight ends that fit the pass catching role in order to run the two tight end sets. They did it with Utecht, they did it when they drafted Coffman, and they attempted to do it by trading for the Cowboys TE, Bennett.

I think they drafted Gresham with the thought of him being able to do both pass and block and I think he will get there. I think the Bengals will show more two TE sets during the regular season as well. They even lined Gresham out wide on a couple of plays so far and he's been a matchup issue that left defenses clueless.

I simply don't see where keeping Coats can factor into their offense going forward unless there is an injury. If they cut Coats, I would bet a LARGE amount of money he would still be available if there were to be an injury that occured after the fact.