6th Round: Dezmon Briscoe

[HairOnFire]

Anybody who can have 2 1000 yard seasons in a row, against fast and hard hitting teams in the big 12... Is a 2nd round talent, 3rd at least...

And yet he wasn't....even....close to that.

Go figure.

And in fact, wasn't even the 1st WR drafted from his own team.

And without bothering to check I'm willing to bet the other guy ran faster.

Then again, who didn't?

[derekshank]

Anybody who can have 2 1000 yard seasons in a row, against fast and hard hitting teams in the big 12... Is a 2nd round talent, 3rd at least...

And yet he wasn't....even....close to that.

Go figure.

And in fact, wasn't even the 1st WR drafted from his own team.

And without bothering to check I'm willing to bet the other guy ran faster.

Then again, who didn't?

Interestingly, they were almost identical. But Meier was a QB who lost his job in '07, switched to WR, and managed to have over 100 receptions in 12 games this season. But those stats aren't deceiving at all... which is why they were both drafted in the 2nd round this year. ...wait

[blueridge]

Guess they weren't too sure about Shipley? 2 Rookie WR's are DEFINITELY NOT making the roster.

Two rookie WRs could definitely make this team. The Briscoe pick has nothing to do with Shipley. Shipley is a slot receiver. Briscoe is a wideout. The question is whether Briscoe can make this team. I think he can. The guy has size and was a superproductive playmaker at Kansas. And seeing he is just 20 years old,he'll only get better.

[blueridge]

I dont dislike this player

Big WR with great hands who excels at YAC - whats not to like? (off the field issues aside)

However

This pick should have been used for either a BIG power back or a developmental quarterback or a cover safety

What cover safeties were available when we picked in Rd 6? And who was the "BIG power back" that was left on the board? We already have a developmental QB in Jordan Palmer.

[blueridge]

We got DEZ @ WR AFTER ALL!?!?!?!?!

=) I like the Pick I think He'll beat out Jerome for 6th WR spot and be a steal in the 6th round.

No offense to your new sig, but he may be a better pro prospect than Shipley? Value pick for the 6th Rd I guess, just don't know if there is a spot available for him?

If he's good enough,they'll find a spot.

[blueridge]

I'm surprised this guy went as high as 6th round. Anyone check his Scouting Combine results? He is at the low end of every category; speed, agility, strength, etc. Maybe he had a high Wonderlic score. My bet is Simpson will beat him out. That's sad.

If he had a bad combine, I guess that might help explain why he fell to the 6th round. Where he is a tremendous pick for a 20-year old with excellent size and playmaking ability.

[Trevor]

Anybody who can have 2 1000 yard seasons in a row, against fast and hard hitting teams in the big 12... Is a 2nd round talent, 3rd at least...

And yet he wasn't....even....close to that.

Go figure.

Dude the guy had 1400 yds as a sophmore... 1300 junior... He woulda had just as much as a senior... From ESPN 2007 42 496 11.8 34 7 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

2008 92 1407 15.3 69 15 2 18 9.0 13 0 0 0

2009 84 1337 15.9 74 9 2 19 9.5 20 1 0 0

[skyline]

So much dissent over a 6th round pick. It's unbelievable.

They thought he was the BPA at the time for whatever reason. He'll probably end up on the PS. So what?

[derekshank]

Anybody who can have 2 1000 yard seasons in a row, against fast and hard hitting teams in the big 12... Is a 2nd round talent, 3rd at least...

And yet he wasn't....even....close to that.

Go figure.

Dude the guy had 1400 yds as a sophmore... 1300 junior... He woulda had just as much as a senior... From ESPN 2007 42 496 11.8 34 7 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

2008 92 1407 15.3 69 15 2 18 9.0 13 0 0 0

2009 84 1337 15.9 74 9 2 19 9.5 20 1 0 0

Blah, blah, blah.

Terrell Hudgins broke the NCAA record for receiving yards with over 5,000, and had four 1,000 yard seasons. He signed with the Cowboys as an undrafted FA... but if you go by his stats, he should have been the #1 overall pick of the entire draft.

It's a different game. Especially in the Big-12. Put the stats out of your mind, because they are meaningless.

[Trevor]

Anybody who can have 2 1000 yard seasons in a row, against fast and hard hitting teams in the big 12... Is a 2nd round talent, 3rd at least...

And yet he wasn't....even....close to that.

Go figure.

Dude the guy had 1400 yds as a sophmore... 1300 junior... He woulda had just as much as a senior... From ESPN 2007 42 496 11.8 34 7 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

2008 92 1407 15.3 69 15 2 18 9.0 13 0 0 0

2009 84 1337 15.9 74 9 2 19 9.5 20 1 0 0

Blah, blah, blah.

Terrell Hudgins broke the NCAA record for receiving yards with over 5,000, and had four 1,000 yard seasons. He signed with the Cowboys as an undrafted FA... but if you go by his stats, he should have been the #1 overall pick of the entire draft.

It's a different game. Especially in the Big-12. Put the stats out of your mind, because they are meaningless.

I know stats dont mean anything... Hell chad never even made 1000 yds... I was just saying as a sophmore and junior, getting those numbers... You gotta be good, and i think he is... Really good, definately worth a 3rd, and a small reach in the 2nd. All i'm saying is watch out for this dude. He's raw but he's got NFL skill

[HairOnFire]

He'll probably end up on the PS. So what?

I won't speak for others, but I'm venting.

Next week I may be fine with it all.

And the week after that?

I may be so good I rush out and buy a Briscoe jersey.

But yeah, right now.....just venting.

[BengalByTheBay]

He'll probably end up on the PS. So what?

I won't speak for others, but I'm venting.

Next week I may be fine with it all.

And the week after that?

I may be so good I rush out and buy a Briscoe jersey.

But yeah, right now.....just venting.

Just get a "Briscoe" nametag and put it over your Coles jersey....

What??? You never invested in a Coles authentic??

[JohnsonX5]

I would say the only two "safe" WRs are Chad and Bryant

I agree with this 100%. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Caldwell gets cut. They're going to continue to send a message that screwing up at the end of games will not be tolerated (see Shayne Graham). And who can forget about Caldwell's costly fumbles at the end of games? Granted, he did score the go ahead touchdown at Baltimore iirc, but I see Shipley taking his spot in the slot, so his only contribution would be as the fourth or fifth wideout or on special teams. And there's no way Caldwell will be on special teams returning kickoffs again, so he'll have to beat out Simpson, Briscoe, Cosby, Purify, etc. for those last few receiver spots, without the advantage of being a special teams contributor. I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening.

[Ickey44]

I would say the only two "safe" WRs are Chad and Bryant

I agree with this 100%. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Caldwell gets cut. They're going to continue to send a message that screwing up at the end of games will not be tolerated (see Shayne Graham). And who can forget about Caldwell's costly fumbles at the end of games? Granted, he did score the go ahead touchdown at Baltimore iirc, but I see Shipley taking his spot in the slot, so his only contribution would be as the fourth or fifth wideout or on special teams. And there's no way Caldwell will be on special teams returning kickoffs again, so he'll have to beat out Simpson, Briscoe, Cosby, Purify, etc. for those last few receiver spots, without the advantage of being a special teams contributor. I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening.

I was thinking the same thing, though I didn't feel like typing all that out. Thanks for the help.

[BengalByTheBay]

I would say the only two "safe" WRs are Chad and Bryant

I agree with this 100%. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Caldwell gets cut. They're going to continue to send a message that screwing up at the end of games will not be tolerated (see Shayne Graham). And who can forget about Caldwell's costly fumbles at the end of games? Granted, he did score the go ahead touchdown at Baltimore iirc, but I see Shipley taking his spot in the slot, so his only contribution would be as the fourth or fifth wideout or on special teams. And there's no way Caldwell will be on special teams returning kickoffs again, so he'll have to beat out Simpson, Briscoe, Cosby, Purify, etc. for those last few receiver spots, without the advantage of being a special teams contributor. I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening.

I understand the irrational post-draft exuberance, but I fully expect Caldwell to be the #3 WR this season. I think the fanbase generally is letting a few bad plays near the end of the season eclipse what was a fairly solid season for Caldwell. Simply put, I don't think he's nearly as bad a WR or as close to the bubble as most on this board seem to think. Just my opinion, but I'm gonna say there's no way a 3rd year receiver with at least decent production gets outright cut in favor of a rookie slot receiver.

[Kazkal]

Ya I don't see Caldwell getting cut for M.Jones,J.Simpson....Like I see him losing the slot job but thats just because Shipley is more suited for it.

[bwillycuse]

I would say the only two "safe" WRs are Chad and Bryant

I agree with this 100%. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Caldwell gets cut. They're going to continue to send a message that screwing up at the end of games will not be tolerated (see Shayne Graham). And who can forget about Caldwell's costly fumbles at the end of games? Granted, he did score the go ahead touchdown at Baltimore iirc, but I see Shipley taking his spot in the slot, so his only contribution would be as the fourth or fifth wideout or on special teams. And there's no way Caldwell will be on special teams returning kickoffs again, so he'll have to beat out Simpson, Briscoe, Cosby, Purify, etc. for those last few receiver spots, without the advantage of being a special teams contributor. I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening.

I understand the irrational post-draft exuberance, but I fully expect Caldwell to be the #3 WR this season. I think the fanbase generally is letting a few bad plays near the end of the season eclipse what was a fairly solid season for Caldwell. Simply put, I don't think he's nearly as bad a WR or as close to the bubble as most on this board seem to think. Just my opinion, but I'm gonna say there's no way a 3rd year receiver with at least decent production gets outright cut in favor of a rookie slot receiver.

Caldwell isnt getting cut.

But he does need to get that ypc up over 10.

[derekshank]

I would say the only two "safe" WRs are Chad and Bryant

I agree with this 100%. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Caldwell gets cut. They're going to continue to send a message that screwing up at the end of games will not be tolerated (see Shayne Graham). And who can forget about Caldwell's costly fumbles at the end of games? Granted, he did score the go ahead touchdown at Baltimore iirc, but I see Shipley taking his spot in the slot, so his only contribution would be as the fourth or fifth wideout or on special teams. And there's no way Caldwell will be on special teams returning kickoffs again, so he'll have to beat out Simpson, Briscoe, Cosby, Purify, etc. for those last few receiver spots, without the advantage of being a special teams contributor. I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening.

I understand the irrational post-draft exuberance, but I fully expect Caldwell to be the #3 WR this season. I think the fanbase generally is letting a few bad plays near the end of the season eclipse what was a fairly solid season for Caldwell. Simply put, I don't think he's nearly as bad a WR or as close to the bubble as most on this board seem to think. Just my opinion, but I'm gonna say there's no way a 3rd year receiver with at least decent production gets outright cut in favor of a rookie slot receiver.

Caldwell's problem is that he's just the latest example of a long list of Florida WR who hasn't lived up to his billing. He was dominant in college because of being a superior athlete, but in the NFL doesn't play as fast his timed speed. He also hasn't improved as much as he should have in his route running. He's a smooth runner, but doesn't run crisp routes... and simply needs to improve.

I think he'll be the 4th WR, because Shipley is everything he's not. Shipley plays faster than his timed speed, runs crisp routes, is quick as hell and might immediately have the best hands on the team.

The one thing that can be said for Caldwell is that he has good work ethic, so he won't just lay down. He'll work his ass off to keep his spot, but I don't see him getting a ton of playing time.

That said, I think he's a solid WR who can contribute. He'll be great depth in case of injuries... and there will be incredible mismatches if the Bengals ever use a 4 WR formation.

[Kazkal]

I think he'll be the 4th WR, because Shipley is everything he's not. Shipley plays faster than his timed speed, runs crisp routes, is quick as hell and might immediately have the best hands on the team.

Hes also not a twitter diva and his locked up his account once he was drafted.

[BengalPimp]

I would say the only two "safe" WRs are Chad and Bryant

I agree with this 100%. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Caldwell gets cut. They're going to continue to send a message that screwing up at the end of games will not be tolerated (see Shayne Graham). And who can forget about Caldwell's costly fumbles at the end of games? Granted, he did score the go ahead touchdown at Baltimore iirc, but I see Shipley taking his spot in the slot, so his only contribution would be as the fourth or fifth wideout or on special teams. And there's no way Caldwell will be on special teams returning kickoffs again, so he'll have to beat out Simpson, Briscoe, Cosby, Purify, etc. for those last few receiver spots, without the advantage of being a special teams contributor. I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening.

I understand the irrational post-draft exuberance, but I fully expect Caldwell to be the #3 WR this season. I think the fanbase generally is letting a few bad plays near the end of the season eclipse what was a fairly solid season for Caldwell. Simply put, I don't think he's nearly as bad a WR or as close to the bubble as most on this board seem to think. Just my opinion, but I'm gonna say there's no way a 3rd year receiver with at least decent production gets outright cut in favor of a rookie slot receiver.

I actually found myself cursing Caldwell more than Coles at season's end. That's Bad. Should he be cut? Probably not. Should he be our #3 WR? Definitely not!

[Kazkal]

I would say the only two "safe" WRs are Chad and Bryant

I agree with this 100%. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Caldwell gets cut. They're going to continue to send a message that screwing up at the end of games will not be tolerated (see Shayne Graham). And who can forget about Caldwell's costly fumbles at the end of games? Granted, he did score the go ahead touchdown at Baltimore iirc, but I see Shipley taking his spot in the slot, so his only contribution would be as the fourth or fifth wideout or on special teams. And there's no way Caldwell will be on special teams returning kickoffs again, so he'll have to beat out Simpson, Briscoe, Cosby, Purify, etc. for those last few receiver spots, without the advantage of being a special teams contributor. I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening.

I understand the irrational post-draft exuberance, but I fully expect Caldwell to be the #3 WR this season. I think the fanbase generally is letting a few bad plays near the end of the season eclipse what was a fairly solid season for Caldwell. Simply put, I don't think he's nearly as bad a WR or as close to the bubble as most on this board seem to think. Just my opinion, but I'm gonna say there's no way a 3rd year receiver with at least decent production gets outright cut in favor of a rookie slot receiver.

I actually found myself cursing Caldwell more than Coles at season's end. That's Bad. Should he be cut? Probably not. Should he be our #3 WR? Definitely not!

Well if you hate Shipley and you dont want caldwell to be our 3# who is then Matt Jones?

[membengal]

In my mind's eye, which doesn't mean s**t, of course, CJ and Ant. Bryant on the outside, with Shipley as the third/slot guy and Gresham at TE is how they will line up for Week 1.

I like Shipley, I think his production at Texas is no joke, and that he is in a perfect spot in Cincy. I consider him an upgrade on Caldwell from the jump.

I remain underwhelmed and in the derek/babyshanks camp on the 6th rounder on Briscoe, but, hey, I would love to be wrong.

My WR guesses:

CJ

Bryant

Shipley

Caldwell

Cosby

Simpson (I just think they will be loathe to cut ties yet, but god knows I could be wrong)

Briscoe and others to practice squad. Matt Jones released.

[TJJackson]

What cover safeties were available when we picked in Rd 6? And who was the "BIG power back" that was left on the board? We already have a developmental QB in Jordan Palmer.

Go look at the draft yourself for the answers to your first two idiotic questions.

Jordan Palmer is a seat-warmer. We need a guy who is raw but talented who can take a couple of years to get up to speed and take over as a starter if need be - this is generally what one means when one describes a 'developmental quarterback. Palmer Junior will never be a starter.

[HoosierCat]

Because how could there not be further need when you don't bother counting FA additions who command 7 million per,

Just like the $7 million guy we signed last year, right? Again, you are quick to point how unsuccessful the Bengals have been drafting WRs, but if anyone points out how even more unsuccessful they've been finding them in free agency, you're quick to stick your fingers in your ears and yell, "I'm not listening!!!"

and you don't count 2nd or 3rd round picks who haven't been given a chance to play, in large measure because there were no starting positions open when they were drafted, or one year later, or for that matter...even now.

Caldwell hasn't had a chance to play? Appearing in 23 games in 2 years doesn't qualify as a chance to play? And when the Bengals were racked by injury at WR last season, who got the call over Simpson. Yeah, a guy from the practice squad. What does that tell you?

As to the status of starting positions when they were drafted in 2008, well, let's look back: Chad was in the middle of a trade-me campaign, skipping the offseason, and refusing to get his ankle cleaned out, putting his ability to start the season into question. TJ, in a contract year, had rebuffed the team's efforts to resign him, wanted No. 1 money they weren't prepared to pay him, and was also boycotting the offseason. Oh, and Chris Henry had been cut following allegations he pitched a beer bottle through a car window.

No, there were no needs at all at WR.

[TJJackson]

I can't see a scenario other than "multiple injuries at the WR spot" where Matt Jones or Simpson make the regular season roster