6th Round: Dezmon Briscoe

[Kazkal]

ya but you didn't even post a realistic trade.

Would you give up 2nd,3rd,4th & next years 1st & 3rd and maybe even a 4th to get exact points for Dez Byrant? that's 5 players 1st-4th rounders for Dez byrant?

If so I'm going start calling you King Ditka.

[BengalszoneBilly]

As far as Dez goes, doesn't look like the coaching staff has the stomach for another diva-like receiver. Instead they went for the eagle scout-type kid out of Texas.

Talk about a misfit for the Bengals!

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

It will be a fight in training camp, that's for sure. so there's

Ocho

Bryant

Jones

Caldwell

Simpson

Cosby

Shipley

Briscoe

also as of right now still technically on the roster

Purify

Freddie Brown

Chris Davis

So have to not only think 6 available spots on roster, but out of those 11, probably only 1 Practice Squad spot too.

Don't forget about TO.

[kingwilly]

ya but you didn't even post a realistic trade.

Would you give up 2nd,3rd,4th & next years 1st & 3rd and maybe even a 4th to get exact points for Dez Byrant? that's 5 players 1st-4th rounders for Dez byrant?

If so I'm going start calling you King Ditka.

I think you are overstating how much it would have taken. They could have packaged players as well.

As an example, take a look at our 2007 draft.

1 18 Leon Hall CB Michigan

2 49 Kenny Irons RB Auburn

4 114 Marvin White SAF Texas Christian

5 151 Jeff Rowe QB Nevada-Reno

6 187 Matt Toeaina DT Oregon

7 230 Dan Santucci G Notre Dame

7 253 Chinedum Ndukwe S Notre Dame

Let's pretend we didn't have that 18th pick. Are you telling me you would not have mortgaged our r2-6 to go get our elite CB? Or maybe going higher to go get a guy like Willis?

Sometimes you've got to roll the dice a bit.

You can do the math on the values. From what I witnessed, active teams like Dallas, Seattle, New England all created their opportunities and had very very good drafts.

I just wished they could have done more. I just don't feel they gt as much as they could have out of this draft.

[cincyhokie]

It goes both ways. Hindsight is 20/20. Alot of the draft grades are based on speculation and hype. The Steelers consistently have a "boring" or "bad" draft. Year after year. And year after year they fill their roster with their style of players and play well.

Phil Savage was the trading, gambling, draft genius. Now he's regarded as an idiot in Cleveland.

It goes both ways. Let it play out.

[Kazkal]

ya but you didn't even post a realistic trade.

Would you give up 2nd,3rd,4th & next years 1st & 3rd and maybe even a 4th to get exact points for Dez Byrant? that's 5 players 1st-4th rounders for Dez byrant?

If so I'm going start calling you King Ditka.

I think you are overstating how much it would have taken. They could have packaged players as well.

As an example, take a look at our 2007 draft.

1 18 Leon Hall CB Michigan

2 49 Kenny Irons RB Auburn

4 114 Marvin White SAF Texas Christian

5 151 Jeff Rowe QB Nevada-Reno

6 187 Matt Toeaina DT Oregon

7 230 Dan Santucci G Notre Dame

7 253 Chinedum Ndukwe S Notre Dame

Let's pretend we didn't have that 18th pick. Are you telling me you would not have mortgaged our r2-6 to go get our elite CB? Or maybe going higher to go get a guy like Willis?

Sometimes you've got to roll the dice a bit.

You can do the math on the values. From what I witnessed, active teams like Dallas, Seattle, New England all created their opportunities and had very very good drafts.

I just wished they could have done more. I just don't feel they gt as much as they could have out of this draft.

1`.) I wouldn't trade hall for Byrant

2.) ya alot those players didn't work out but we don't know if Byrant will either more so since he has enlarged heart,Isn't that what gaines adams passed away from?

[buck3y3d]

Bryant should be fine. Gaines Adams suffered from hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM), which is a congenital defect that can cause irregular heart beats (due to enlarged size).

Bryant has an irregular heartbeat, unrelated to cardiomyopathy. Essentially he is fine. I have had a few episodes of tachycardia, atrial arrhythmias in my life but have been told not to worry about them. I work out every day and really have no limitations (just periodic annoyances where I can feel my heart beat irregularly).

I am sure after Bryant was found to have an irregular heartbeat, they gave him an echo. And I'm sure it came back fine. That being said, I still would not trade Hall for Bryant. I think Hall has proven himself already. Bryant has proven nothing.

[kingwilly]

1`.) I wouldn't trade hall for Byrant

2.) ya alot those players didn't work out but we don't know if Byrant will either more so since he has enlarged heart,Isn't that what gaines adams passed away from?

I think you've missed my point.

In my example, I was supposing if we did not have an r1 pick on 07, and was showing how sacrificing the r2-6 to get to r1-18 would have paid off.

That is all.

I don't know the draft value or formulas, it just seems that NE and other always find a way to jockey around and get the guys they want, or so it seems.

OTOH, the Bengals have sat on their hands and have been swooped by NO for Ellis, via, guess who, New England who had LOST their r1 pick due to spygate, just as an example. Did the Bengals want Ellis? Who knows but NO sure did, and they did what was necessary to get him.

Check out what transpired that year: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft

[TJJackson]

I dont dislike this player

Big WR with great hands who excels at YAC - whats not to like? (off the field issues aside)

However

This pick should have been used for either a BIG power back or a developmental quarterback or a cover safety

[kingwilly]

I dont dislike this player

Big WR with great hands who excels at YAC - whats not to like? (off the field issues aside)

However

This pick should have been used for either a BIG power back or a developmental quarterback or a cover safety

Go back a round and I would agree with you. Given the current depth on the O-line, it would have been smarted to get Blount or Dwyer or Dixon from Miss St, all of which were there and are Benson clones. If Benson goes down (knocking wood), Scott and Leonard cannot fill-in for more than a couple of weeks.

Hudson would have been there Saturday night to sign as UDFA. Guaranteed.

[ArmyBengal]

I dont dislike this player

Big WR with great hands who excels at YAC - whats not to like? (off the field issues aside)

However

This pick should have been used for either a BIG power back or a developmental quarterback or a cover safety

Go back a round and I would agree with you. Given the current depth on the O-line, it would have been smarted to get Blount or Dwyer or Dixon from Miss St, all of which were there and are Benson clones. If Benson goes down (knocking wood), Scott and Leonard cannot fill-in for more than a couple of weeks.

Hudson would have been there Saturday night to sign as UDFA. Guaranteed.

Thank you...

[HairOnFire]

Ah the annual 6th or 7th round WR pick, yawn. Practice Squad fodder for now

Exactly.

Exactly.

Somewhere, Mario Urrutia, and a host of others, are laughing.

[HairOnFire]

This was a great pick. Briscoe is a 2nd round talent.

Actually, in a draft where WR was one of the weakest groups available he's just a 6th round talent.

And just for the record, prior to the draft I asked each of you to burn your draft guides in the hope that ridiculous statements like the Pongian example above wouldn't be uttered. Furthermore, in the same warning I specifically called out those amongst us who were dumb enough to purchase the Sporting News draft guide.

I'm just saying.

Don't be that guy.

[cincyhokie]

Ah the annual 6th or 7th round WR pick, yawn. Practice Squad fodder for now

Exactly.

Exactly.

Somewhere, Mario Urrutia, and a host of others, are laughing.

I hear what you're saying. But in defense of Briscoe, the man put up some serious numbers at Kansas. That Kansas with that awesome QB and other WR's to take the coverage off him.

I remember another 7th round pick who put up records for MAC WR's when he came out in 2003. Kevin Walter. He's done alright.

For the most part, however, I agree with you. Hopefully these WR's pan out and become mainstays. I just don't know if that will stop the annual drafting of late round WR's.

[Trevor]

I dont dislike this player

Big WR with great hands who excels at YAC - whats not to like? (off the field issues aside)

However

This pick should have been used for either a BIG power back or a developmental quarterback or a cover safety

Go back a round and I would agree with you. Given the current depth on the O-line, it would have been smarted to get Blount or Dwyer or Dixon from Miss St, all of which were there and are Benson clones. If Benson goes down (knocking wood), Scott and Leonard cannot fill-in for more than a couple of weeks.

Hudson would have been there Saturday night to sign as UDFA. Guaranteed.

I think blount is too slow... He got shut doen by boise... Now the guy who i think will make PS.... Cordera eason, is ced's size and faster than blount. He'll be able to get the load moreso than scott or leanoard.

[HairOnFire]

I remember another 7th round pick who put up records for MAC WR's when he came out in 2003. Kevin Walter. He's done alright.

He's been a godsend for the 3rd NFL team he's played for. As for the team who actually drafted him, not so much. And not so much as well for the team that salvaged his career before deciding he was just one more cog that needed to be replaced.

For the most part, however, I agree with you. Hopefully these WR's pan out and become mainstays. I just don't know if that will stop the annual drafting of late round WR's.

Churn and burn endlessly. And it's not just a late round thing. Because if you listen closely enough you can actually hear next years chant for a 1st round WR starting already.

[BlainThePain]

Houshmandzadeh turned out alright for us.

[Kazkal]

Houshmandzadeh turned out alright for us.

Not only that but was against a 1st rnd WR...At some point we were going take WR so gotta pick your poison either highly drafted one or later rnd guys.

[HairOnFire]

At some point we were going take WR so gotta pick your poison either highly drafted one or later rnd guys.

I'd be thrilled if the Bastard Sons of Paul Brown would pick their poison, but none of you can bring yourself to do that.

So you draft 'em early, and you draft 'em in the middle rounds, and then you draft 'em late...just to show the world how serious you are.

And if that weren't enough, and how could it NOT be, for two years running the only major FA addition to this team has been a WR.

Churning and burning.

[HoosierCat]

And if that weren't enough, and how could it NOT be, for two years running the only major FA addition to this team has been a WR.

And again, what's your alternative? You don't want to draft wide receivers, now you bitch about spending FA dollars on them.

[HairOnFire]

And again, what's your alternative?

Run the ball.

Play great defense.

Win.

Print playoff tickets.

[Trevor]

This was a great pick. Briscoe is a 2nd round talent.

Actually, in a draft where WR was one of the weakest groups available he's just a 6th round talent.

And just for the record, prior to the draft I asked each of you to burn your draft guides in the hope that ridiculous statements like the Pongian example above wouldn't be uttered. Furthermore, in the same warning I specifically called out those amongst us who were dumb enough to purchase the Sporting News draft guide.

I'm just saying.

Don't be that guy.

Anybody who can have 2 1000 yard seasons in a row, against fast and hard hitting teams in the big 12... Is a 2nd round talent, 3rd at least, but because he runs a boldin-like 40 and has had law problems... He dropped to us. Dudes got game. He should make the team

[HairOnFire]

You don't want to draft wide receivers, now you bitch about spending FA dollars on them.

I loudly supported the idea of adding a single veteran starting quality WR to the offense precisely because it would pay dividends immediately and allow for further developement time for Simpson, Caldwell, and Quan. For the very same reasons I argued there was no need whatsoever for a 1st round WR selection, as BOTH starting jobs were capably filled. The depth was adequate.

You on the other hand dismissed the addition of Bryant as if it hadn't happened at all. And just to prove it wasn't a fluke you also ignored the signing of Matt Jones, presumably because you knew Dez Briscoe would be available in the 6th round. Furthermore, you loudly called for two young highly drafted players who are still on the roster, and whose selection you had once championed just as loudly, to either be cut outright, or kicked even further down the depth chart. Churn 'em, you brayed.

Follwed quickly be burn 'em.

So when you think about it it's really not that hard to determine why I don't see the need for three new WR's every year, as you do. Because how could there not be further need when you don't bother counting FA additions who command 7 million per, and you don't count 2nd or 3rd round picks who haven't been given a chance to play, in large measure because there were no starting positions open when they were drafted, or one year later, or for that matter...even now.

[HairOnFire]

Anybody who can have 2 1000 yard seasons in a row, against fast and hard hitting teams in the big 12... Is a 2nd round talent, 3rd at least...

And yet he wasn't....even....close to that.

Go figure.

[derekshank]

Anybody who can have 2 1000 yard seasons in a row, against fast and hard hitting teams in the big 12... Is a 2nd round talent, 3rd at least...

And yet he wasn't....even....close to that.

Go figure.

And in fact, wasn't even the 1st WR drafted from his own team.

We're talking about a player who comes from a pass happy conference, who played on a team that was perhaps the most pass happy of that conference.

So before one considers Briscoe's eye-popping numbers at face value, one might want to consider the fact that Kansas threw the ball an average of 42 times/game, had two WR who finished in the top 10 in catches/game, and had a group of RBs that amassed over 1,700 yards in the event that a defense overzealously attempted to slow the passing game.

Is it fair to say that his stats might be a bit misleading when you consider his production compared to his actual ability. Might his numbers have decreased a tad if he had played in the Big-10, and not had another NFL talent WR opposite him?