2nd Round: Carlos Dunlap

[Kazkal]

I love Dunlap, before the season started he was listed as a top 5 pick.

You heard all of this stuff about Jason Pierre-Paul and how athletic he was but, he only put up 6 sacks.

Of all of the DE's that were not LB's Dunlap was the ONLY DE that ran a sub 4.6 40 yd dash.

Dunlap ran a 4.59 and was the only DE that ran that fast.

Not Pierre-Paul

Dunlap was faster than Pierre-Paul in the 10 yd split 20 yd split and had a higher verticle jump.

While I dont think any of that $hit has anything to do with football, it shows that Dunlap was the faster and had a better first step than the guy that every body was making such a big fuss about.

And Dunlap has done it on the field and when it counts in the National Championship game.

Pierre-Paul may turn out to be a great player , there is NOW a good chance he will, since going to the Giants bacause they have some of the best D-line coaches in the biz.

I just think he was over hyped for what he had done and I am glad he was because it allowed Dunlap to fall to us.

I think JPP workout warrior title came simply from his back flips

PS,Dunlap kinda reminds me of us getting MJ has all the measurable's and questionable motor is either BS or Zimmer will fix that problem

[COB]

The whole predraft bit about "motor" and "taking plays off" is just that: predraft chatter to fill airtime/pages.

I heard Mel Kiper interviewed a couple months ago and he talked about exactly this. He said the draft pundits decide who the top round and a half guys are during the college football season. Then they spend the rest of the time looking for negatives to write about the top round and a half, and positives to say about everyone underneath that level. Thus you get guys falling and rising based on nothing more than the current wave of media analysis.

[GoBengals!]

Looks like others are saying that this is a boom or bust pick. Given the Bengals recent history of 2nd round picks, there is a chance he will be a bust. Let's hope not.

/>http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/22944/carlos-dunlap-boom-or-bust

[ArmyBengal]

Looks like others are saying that this is a boom or bust pick. Given the Bengals recent history of 2nd round picks, there is a chance he will be a bust. Let's hope not.

/>http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/22944/carlos-dunlap-boom-or-bust

I didn't read the link or see if Kindle was mentioned for the Ravens, but they always say sh*t like this when it comes to the Bengals. The Ravens drafted Kindle (who I loved before I knew) with medical problems and 2 TE's, but didn't address their horrible secondary, but Newsome is a genius. All I can say is, Zimmer has yet to let me down when it comes to expectations for this defense or his players.

[Kazkal]

/>http://cnati.com/cincinnati-bengals/bengals-take-de-in-2nd-round-001832/

Dunlap out to prove doubters wrong

Reminds me of when we drafted MJ

[BlainThePain]

Looks like others are saying that this is a boom or bust pick. Given the Bengals recent history of 2nd round picks, there is a chance he will be a bust. Let's hope not.

/>http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/22944/carlos-dunlap-boom-or-bust

I didn't read the link or see if Kindle was mentioned for the Ravens, but they always say sh*t like this when it comes to the Bengals. The Ravens drafted Kindle (who I loved before I knew) with medical problems and 2 TE's, but didn't address their horrible secondary, but Newsome is a genius. All I can say is, Zimmer has yet to let me down when it comes to expectations for this defense or his players.

Yeah, I was down on the pick at first, but Zimmer definitely has me drinking the Kool-Aid. I really don't see why people think this is a boom or bust pick. If Dunlap doesn't live completely up to his potential, I could still see him being a rotational player that gets you five or six sacks a year. That would be far from a bust for a second round pick.

[cincyhokie]

Looks like others are saying that this is a boom or bust pick. Given the Bengals recent history of 2nd round picks, there is a chance he will be a bust. Let's hope not.

http://espn.go.com/b...ap-boom-or-bust

I didn't read the link or see if Kindle was mentioned for the Ravens, but they always say sh*t like this when it comes to the Bengals. The Ravens drafted Kindle (who I loved before I knew) with medical problems and 2 TE's, but didn't address their horrible secondary, but Newsome is a genius. All I can say is, Zimmer has yet to let me down when it comes to expectations for this defense or his players.

Oh yeah. Imagine if the Ravens had taken Dunlap instead of Kindle or Cody. It'd be the same "genius" praise for Newsome.

They draft Kindle, a 2 down fatass, and 2 TE's....and completely ignore their most obvious weakness. They also had 3 of their top picks taken before them. Gresham, Bryant, and Gronkowski.

I'd say they had an average draft, not great.

[HairOnFire]

Here's my quick take on the whole taking plays off thing.

Far too often Dunlap is slow off of the snap. And in the eyes of most fans and observers that's almost unforgivable when debating a player who on other occasions mnages to flash an incredible first step. It simply doesn't make sense, right? Because if a guy can do it routinely, but doesn't do it always, then it must be due to the level of effort given.

Then again, maybe not.

The one valid criticism I find in reviews of Dunlap are based upon those times when he shows a slow burst off the snap. I've seen it myself, and if forced to guess I'd point towards occasional late pass/run recogntion. I've also seen enough to make me wonder if Dunlap may have a deliberate strategy/habit based upon switching up pass rush speeds. Players often convince themselves they're setting the other guy up. Regardless, both flaws can be corrected.

Frankly, I'm still not 100% on this pick, but I have warmed to it after the fact.....as all homers are prone to do.

[MARVIN=W'S]

The knock on him is similar to what we heard about M. Johnson last year. Inconsistent effort etc, if he turns out like Johnson I'll be happy. Both have huge upside and i think Zim can get the most out of them.

[alleycat]

Anyone know what side he played on mostly? I noticed MJ played a lot on the Rt side last year. When we drafted him, Marvin and Zim said they thought he could put on 15-20lbs, much like they just said with Dunlap. If they both did that, that would put MJ at around 280 and Dunlap around 300. If these were our starting ends of the future, one would think Dunlap would play more on the Rt side, with MJ playing more on the left, (generally) blind side.

Anyone who knows more about this than me know if there's a big difference for edge rushers? Or should it be generally interchangeable?

[jjakq27]

Looks like others are saying that this is a boom or bust pick. Given the Bengals recent history of 2nd round picks, there is a chance he will be a bust. Let's hope not.

http://espn.go.com/b...ap-boom-or-bust

I didn't read the link or see if Kindle was mentioned for the Ravens, but they always say sh*t like this when it comes to the Bengals. The Ravens drafted Kindle (who I loved before I knew) with medical problems and 2 TE's, but didn't address their horrible secondary, but Newsome is a genius. All I can say is, Zimmer has yet to let me down when it comes to expectations for this defense or his players.

Oh yeah. Imagine if the Ravens had taken Dunlap instead of Kindle or Cody. It'd be the same "genius" praise for Newsome.

They draft Kindle, a 2 down fatass, and 2 TE's....and completely ignore their most obvious weakness. They also had 3 of their top picks taken before them. Gresham, Bryant, and Gronkowski.

I'd say they had an average draft, not great.

But you're talking about the Wizard of OZ! He's a bona-fide genius, don't cha know?

[Kazkal]

I hear about this team and thast team didn't address so and so need...But all I hear about Ravens is what Genius Newsome is which the man is good at what he does but don't they deserve some flak for not addressing their secondary? They had terrible corners Ed Reed is on the verge of retiring.

[BengalPimp]

In zimmer we trust

In Marvin we trust.

Let him win a playoff game, and I'll think about it.

Maybe he'll show you his Super Bowl ring sometime.

Amen. In Marvin we Trust !

[BengalPimp]

The knock on him is similar to what we heard about M. Johnson last year. Inconsistent effort etc, if he turns out like Johnson I'll be happy. Both have huge upside and i think Zim can get the most out of them.

The difference is, Johnson is an athletic freak....Dunlap, not so much.

[Walrus]

The knock on him is similar to what we heard about M. Johnson last year. Inconsistent effort etc, if he turns out like Johnson I'll be happy. Both have huge upside and i think Zim can get the most out of them.

The difference is, Johnson is an athletic freak....Dunlap, not so much.

Not so sure about that. They both have very long arms and share the propensity to knock down passes. Dunlap is a bigger, thicker guy -- more potential as a 3-down DE.

[alleycat]

The knock on him is similar to what we heard about M. Johnson last year. Inconsistent effort etc, if he turns out like Johnson I'll be happy. Both have huge upside and i think Zim can get the most out of them.

The difference is, Johnson is an athletic freak....Dunlap, not so much.

6-6, 280lbs, 4.61 40? I'll stick with freak.

[Kazkal]

The knock on him is similar to what we heard about M. Johnson last year. Inconsistent effort etc, if he turns out like Johnson I'll be happy. Both have huge upside and i think Zim can get the most out of them.

The difference is, Johnson is an athletic freak....Dunlap, not so much.

6-6, 280lbs, 4.61 40? I'll stick with freak.

Ya I'll have to go with loving the idea of having two Freaks at Defensive End.

[BengalPimp]

The knock on him is similar to what we heard about M. Johnson last year. Inconsistent effort etc, if he turns out like Johnson I'll be happy. Both have huge upside and i think Zim can get the most out of them.

The difference is, Johnson is an athletic freak....Dunlap, not so much.

6-6, 280lbs, 4.61 40? I'll stick with freak.

Ya I'll have to go with loving the idea of having two Freaks at Defensive End.

Okay, Okay, I'll agree....but it's not because they were calling him "baby freak" at Florida (in reference to Javon Kearse).

I just like Michael Johnson...Give him Geathers job, and let Dunlap back him up.

[Ickey44]

When MJ can play the run like Geathers does, then I'm fine with that. Right now he needs to just stay as a pass rush specialist. I realize that Geathers doesn't get the sexy sack stats that you want, but he plays the run very well and that is just as important as getting pressure on the QB. Geathers may be a bit overpaid, but he's a good player and should still be our starter...for now.

[derekshank]

The knock on him is similar to what we heard about M. Johnson last year. Inconsistent effort etc, if he turns out like Johnson I'll be happy. Both have huge upside and i think Zim can get the most out of them.

The difference is, Johnson is an athletic freak....Dunlap, not so much.

Michael Johnson's Combine numbers:

Height: 6'7"

Weight: 266

40 Yard Dash : 4.75 seconds

Bench Press : 28.0 reps

Vertical Jump : 38.5 inches

Broad Jump : 128.0 inches

3 Cone Drill : 7.42 seconds

20 Yard Shuttle : 4.37 seconds

Carlos Dunlap's Combine numbers:

Height: 6'6"

Weight: 290

40 Yard Dash : 4.71 seconds

Bench Press : 21.0 reps

Vertical Jump : 31.5 inches

Broad Jump : 111.0 inches

3-Cone Drill: 7.21 seconds

20 Yard Shuttle : 4.61 seconds

When you consider Dunlap carried 24 more lbs than MJ at his combine... I think it's fair to say he's got just as much a right to the term "physical freak" that Johnson does.

P.S. That 3-cone drill time is ridiculous for a 290 lb man, and possibly the most important drill when you consider what a DE does.

[Kazkal]

When you consider Dunlap carried 24 more lbs than MJ at his combine... I think it's fair to say he's got just as much a right to the term "physical freak" that Johnson does.

P.S. That 3-cone drill time is ridiculous for a 290 lb man, and possibly the most important drill when you consider what a DE does.

Let's not forget about the true "Baby Freak" Geno Atkins who at 6'1 295 benched:34 reps & ran a 4.78....as a 295 lb 6'1 linemen I can't wait to see all 3 of them in at the same time.

When MJ can play the run like Geathers does, then I'm fine with that. Right now he needs to just stay as a pass rush specialist. I realize that Geathers doesn't get the sexy sack stats that you want, but he plays the run very well and that is just as important as getting pressure on the QB. Geathers may be a bit overpaid, but he's a good player and should still be our starter...for now.

I hope MJ doesn't start to because they may ask him to gain 30 lbs and we'd never see a sack again...kinda like Geathers!

[Wraith]

Dunlap replaces Geathers and MJ is the ultimate replacement for Odom either this year or next.

[Kazkal]

Dunlap replaces Geathers and MJ is the ultimate replacement for Odom either this year or next.

IMO best way use MJ is like Indy uses Robert Mathis let him me a demon when it comes to pass but let someone else handle running downs...

[kingwilly]

When you consider Dunlap carried 24 more lbs than MJ at his combine... I think it's fair to say he's got just as much a right to the term "physical freak" that Johnson does.

P.S. That 3-cone drill time is ridiculous for a 290 lb man, and possibly the most important drill when you consider what a DE does.

Let's not forget about the true "Baby Freak" Geno Atkins who at 6'1 295 benched:34 reps & ran a 4.78....as a 295 lb 6'1 linemen I can't wait to see all 3 of them in at the same time.

When MJ can play the run like Geathers does, then I'm fine with that. Right now he needs to just stay as a pass rush specialist. I realize that Geathers doesn't get the sexy sack stats that you want, but he plays the run very well and that is just as important as getting pressure on the QB. Geathers may be a bit overpaid, but he's a good player and should still be our starter...for now.

I hope MJ doesn't start to because they may ask him to gain 30 lbs and we'd never see a sack again...kinda like Geathers!

When they need to go with a speed unit, Atkins, Fanene, Dunlap and MJ could be lethal. Fanene is an explosive guy, let's not forget.

Getting Odom back to 100% is my only concern at this point on the defense. even finding good depth at safety is not as serious to me, now that they've forgone getting fresh talent in the draft.

[Kazkal]

All in all I could careless if Geathers goes or stays like i've stated I really do like the guy do I wish he was more productive on passing downs sure?

With that being said I'm excited to see what Big freak,Normal Freak and baby freak can do !