BENGALTHEM Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 At first I didn't like the idea. Simply because getting Gildon doesn't address the DT. And we already have at least 7 linebackers plus we can use that money for Rudi in the future, or somebody else we want to retain or bring in.But I read somewhere that they would put him at DE. I think Gildon would be a damn good DE on passing situations. Plus if either Smith or Clemmons gets hurt, we could plug him in, and not loose much on pass rush. I think that getting Gildon cant hurt. We need as much help on D as we can get.I hope he signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 i say yes cuz hes another threat to rush the passer which we need badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ackley1 Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 I say hell yeah. We could definately use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Whether it's a good move or not, I just don't think it's gonna happen in Cincy. It just doesn't seem to be the direction Marvin's heading with the team right now. I believe he's ready and willing to work with the players he's presently got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitnasBengals Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Old veterans are usually just that... old veterans. Looking around the league you can see many examples of failed veterans coming to new teams. Joe Johnson was recently cut from the Packers after failing to even play more than half a season after signing a huge contract.A little more closer to Gildon's situation, Hardy Nickerson was playing great with the Buccaneers. When he got released and the Packers picked him up, he played poorly and was instrumental in the Packer's total run stop deficiency. #1 pick Barnett was made to address a weakness that Nickerson added, and adding old veterans to a team is the wrong way to build for the future which is what the Bengals are trying to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJBestInAFC Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 What about Ted Washington? He is old and still a productive player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLuck Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Any upgrade on defense sounds like a good idea to me... I believe they'll play Gildon as a DE, if I'm not mistaken, so he'll more than likely be a better player than either Clemmons or Powell. We've got some money to spend after the Gardner deal fell apart, and like I said, an upgrade is definately an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardG Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I believe Ted Washington signed with the Raiders.I don't really care much if Gildon signs or not. I don't usually trust those Pittsburgh LB's to be that good outside of Pittsburgh. However, he could provide some athleticism and pass rushing savvy on the outside, which would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Whether it's a good move or not, I just don't think it's gonna happen in Cincy. It just doesn't seem to be the direction Marvin's heading with the team right now. I believe he's ready and willing to work with the players he's presently got. Got to go with Billy on this one. Gildon situation reminds me of Sapp. Sapp ( at what we were offering ) would have been an OK signing and that would have been about it. Gildon wouldn't even be and OK signing. He'd be used situationally, and that would be about it. Let him got to the Packers or Bills , and then see who they cut in order to make room for him. If it's the right guy, we'd be coming out way ahead signing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I have mixed feelings on this.I do believe he could(at the right price-league minimum or close)come in and help on passing downs,so that part of me says get him.The other part says let him go elsewhere and keep and develop one of the kids we drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 The Bills would have to cut someone, but I don't believe the Pack would, what with their recent release of Johnson and trade of Reynolds -- a double hole at DE Gildon could fill.Were they to sign him -- which I think is very unlikely -- I don't expect the Bills to cut anyone worth anything.The Packers seem like the best fit, and with them down two DEs now my bet is that all the "I'm getting close to a decison...really, I am...it could come any time now...annnnnnytime now..." chatter is an attempt to bait them into sweetening their offer. If they don't, I think he goes there anyhow because he'll get the best chance to start and the Packers are always in the playoff mix. Here or in Buff he'd be a backup/role player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan33 Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I voted no. I don't want him.The bengals need t worry about getting their young guys ready(Palmer,Warrick,and Rudi) not these veterns whose goign to play here for only a year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ackley1 Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 If we can sign him to a somewhat reasonable, short term contract than I'm all for it. We need all the help we can get on defense and I think Gildon still has a few good years left in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staticx682004 Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 We dont need this guy unless it is for the right money and incentive laden.. The days of the bengals signing over priced vet free agents are over thank god for marvin........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLuck Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Depends how badly you want to win.There aren't going to be many if any defensive players better than him available this off-season.. I'd like to win the Superbowl this year, if at all possible. And if Gildon makes it any more possible, bring him in for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 The Pack might pass on Kenny Holmes to sign Gildon as a DE, but it's unlikely Gildon would start. Johnson and Reynolds were non-factors for the Pack last year and they were in effect already replaced. Gildon has a better shot to start at DE with the Bills. He'd also have a better shot to play SSLB w/ the Bills than the Pack.The ante should be upped for Gildon. Even if we don't sign him, ML's bid could force the Bills to cut better DTs than they otherwise will have to.Worse case we get him and he'll produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsDieHard1 Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 I bet ya a dollar to a bag of stale donuts that gildon is shopping for the highest contract right now...anything else is bullsh*t. Let's save the money for Rudi's re-negotiated contract this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 The only reason I could see signing him is for experience. There are many young LB that could use a mentor. He's been on some very good steeler teams, but at 6' 4'' and 250 lbs he seems smallish to be playing end. However, if he hasn't lost his speed maybe some kind of 5 LB set with one safety could work. Unfortunately, the Rooney's wouldn't be letting him go if he still was worth what he thinks is left in his tank. But if coach Lewis wants him then so do I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukbell Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Signing Gildon actually provide depth for three positions IMO... First of all, he played OLB (but that was in a 3-4 D, so that isn't exactly the same, but not a tough transition) so he could backup Simmons or Hardy at LB... I think he would be brought in as a 3rd down DE to rush the passer, which he does very well... this allows either Clemens or Powell to get more time at DT (they have been getting snaps there in practices so far this year)... I see it backing up 3 positions w/ a veteran, adding leadership to this d, and brings in a pass rusher that gives us 77 career sacks... Please sign here Gildon IMOTo say i want him, i also have to say who to cut... "don't let the door hit u on the ass on the way out, Mr Adrian Ross ...What do u guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 To say i want him, i also have to say who to cut... "don't let the door hit u on the ass on the way out, Mr Adrian Ross ...Ukbell is dead on about Gildon's versatility, even a slower aged Gildon.Also, Clemons seems a better DT rotation fix than Powell, but both are too light IMO. Clemons has a knack for sacks at DE but he's no count against the run. Playing on the same line w' Justin, though, probably makes Clemons look a helluva lot slower than he really is. And Mr. Dwayne Levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 According to bengals.com, today's the day...QUICK HITS: The agent for former Steelers linebacker Jason Gildon said his client planned to make a decision Wednesday night and thought an announcement would come some time Thursday. The Bengals have been talking to Peter Schaffer for nearly a month and he is saying Gildon is choosing among three teams: Bengals, Bills, Packers. . .I continue to agree with those who see him fishing for a better contract. "I'll really do it...I'll sign with Cincy...really, I will...reeeeeeallly I will...last chance...going once...going twice...going three times...okay, going four times..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 According to bengals.com, today's the day...QUICK HITS: The agent for former Steelers linebacker Jason Gildon said his client planned to make a decision Wednesday night and thought an announcement would come some time Thursday. The Bengals have been talking to Peter Schaffer for nearly a month and he is saying Gildon is choosing among three teams: Bengals, Bills, Packers. . .I continue to agree with those who see him fishing for a better contract. "I'll really do it...I'll sign with Cincy...really, I will...reeeeeeallly I will...last chance...going once...going twice...going three times...okay, going four times..." I've never seen this happen before--a veteran player using the Bungles as leverage!!! That's ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Let them drive the price up.It looks like GB would have to cut to get Gildon.Green Bay New ChronicleThough the Packers salvaged some room on this year's salary cap through those two moves (Johnson and Reynolds), they may be hard pressed to meet Gildon's contract demands. It's believed the Packers are roughly $3 million under the $80.5 million salary cap, but they have to set aside $2.7 million for the rookie contracts that will be forthcoming. Still, Schaffer said he's been in discussions "every day" with Packers officials as the team pursues Gildon. "They're still involved (in the bidding process)," Schaffer assured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Let them drive the price up. I think that's exactly the problem (at least from Gildon's perspective): the price isn't going up. Gildon and his agent aren't just using the Bengals as leverage against the Bills and Packers, they're doing their level best to use all three teams as leverage against each other. "Oh, yeah, the Bengals are still in it." "Oh, we talk to the Pack every day, every day."Which isn't surprising, of course. It's just how the game is played. Sapp and his agent did the same thing; "we're gonna sign with the Bengals annnnny minute now..." And in the end the Raiders swooped in with the big bucks. Gildon is trying to play the same game, hoping either a fourth bidder will appear, or one of the three will pony up some more dough.My bet is no fourth team is going to appear, and none of the three teams in the alleged mix have any reason to step up. No one actually needs Gildon. He might get some kind of kicker as a face-saver, an extra $50k on the signing bonus or something like that, but the price is not going up significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Don't waste the money. He had 13.5 sacks in 2000. 12 in 2001, 9 in 2002 ,and 6 last year and 3 of those was against the Cards. We don't need old guys on the decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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