GET MARSHALL NOW!

[Trevor]

Though I don't think it will likely, it will be awesome to sign Marshall. Mikey will have to do something uncharacteristic and grow a pair.

The guy caught over 20+ passes in a game last year. Marshall is a stud. Sign him and give a #1... Everyone knows the best picks are in the 2nd round and later.. See Ocho, Chad, Whitworth, etc.

Yeah but its that contract mike doesnt really wanna dish out...

[BroncosFan]

Hello Cinci fans. I thought I'd swing by this forum to see what the mood about Brandon was here. Also, I've watched every game he's played in the NFL, so if you have any questions on him feel free to ask. I can tell you this. If the Bengals offered Marshall a contract offer, Denver would more than likely take the pick. The only way they wouldn't is if another team offered more in a sign and trade scenario. He's in Seattle now, getting the red carpet treatment and has stayed the entire weekend. The Seahawks are trying to sell Brandon so he won't want to sign anywhere else. If you guys do bring Marshall in, it will take a vary nice contract to get him to sign.

[BroncosFan]

Also, a quick couple of facts. Marshall owns the NFL record for most receptions in a single game. He is one of only 5 players in the history of the NFL to have 3 consecutive 100 catch seasons, and he's only 25 years old. Add in the fact that he has done that with 3 QB's, 2 head coaches, and 2 systems.Also with no run support.

[kingwilly]

I have read the fishwrap from Schefter and Reedy. A common theme is the idea that making a move for Marshall would be "uncharacteristic". Well, so is winning playoff games.

However, I point to the 2004 trade that brought Deltha O'Neal (and Denver's r1-24 and r4-117) to the Bengals from Denver (looky who) for the Bengals r1-17.

Now, before you point out all the differences, let's look at how similar the situations are.

In 2004, the Bengals had Carson Palmer in his first year starting, they knew the offense has potency, with TJ, Chad, and Rudi. They posted an 8-8 record and flashed the kind of explosiveness on offense but had serious insufficiencies on defense that required more "elite" level players at key positions. So, they went and got Deltha, who went on to lead the team in INT's and go to the Pro Bowl in 2005. Except or Carson's knee, that team had the ingredients. What could have been.

Fast forward to 2009 season. Great D, anemic O. Chris Henry is tragically lost. Coles cannot deliver. etc, etc. Yet, they dominate the AFCN and go to the playoffs. They are one or two players away from making a real run: need an Elite WR, get Odom back, get Chase to contribute, get a safety.

This team is ready for another big move.

Same dance, same dance partner, another deal that should be made if they are smart.

DO IT SoP!!!!!

Make us all believe.

[derekshank]

There is a big difference between trading down 9 spots and giving up a 1st round pick altogether.

The Bengals general philosophy has always been to build through the draft, and not to pay top dollar for high priced free agents. To trade away the #1 pick for a player that you're going to have to pay the cost of a high priced FA would make the word "uncharacteristic" the understatement of the year.

Forget it people. This ain't happening.

[derekshank]

Also, a quick couple of facts. Marshall owns the NFL record for most receptions in a single game. He is one of only 5 players in the history of the NFL to have 3 consecutive 100 catch seasons, and he's only 25 years old. Add in the fact that he has done that with 3 QB's, 2 head coaches, and 2 systems.Also with no run support.

Yep. No one is arguing with his talent. He is pretty much uncoverable. Most people just realize that for better or worse... Mike Brown's philosophy is the opposite of a move like this.

[Kazkal]

There is a big difference between trading down 9 spots and giving up a 1st round pick altogether.

The Bengals general philosophy has always been to build through the draft, and not to pay top dollar for high priced free agents. To trade away the #1 pick for a player that you're going to have to pay the cost of a high priced FA would make the word "uncharacteristic" the understatement of the year.

Forget it people. This ain't happening.

Ya but with a very weak Wide Receiver class maybe it's time change that Mentality well I'd love keep pick and hope we Thomas or Mays but if their thinking 1st round WR there better off getting a proven guy rather then a rookie at position thats known for busting in the 1st round...

PS,I just hope mikey listens to his Head Couch and Franchise QB if they feel marshall is the way to go

[icehole3]

fool me once sham on you, fool me twice sham on me, when reading this stuff think warren sapp

[ArmyBengal]

Once again, this just smacks of the Bengals trying to keep costs down and focus elsewhere. The problem with that is, the WR position will continue to decline. As much as the thought of T.O. for a season actually doesn't bother me much (note, didn't say I loved it), we will follow that up with the 2011 season without Chad or T.O. under contract and what on the roster after that ?? This organization needs more than a one year stop gap to adequately fill this hole.

I still don't think this should be the issue of finances that people are making it out to be. I mentioned in another post that the Bengals were already paying Coles 7 million per year and now he's not a concern being cut without cap concerns. Add to that trading away our first round pick that is going to see a contract in the 3 million per year range and be given almost 9 million in guaranteed money after the bump from last year's #21, Alex Mack.

I say f*ck Chad and his sensitive ass, go get your #1 WR for the next 5-6 years and not look back. They should still address the WR position in the draft and be done with worrying about the WR spot. Well, then there's always the option of going into 2011 with no Chad, no T.O. (or whatever band aid signed) and Jerome Simpson as our #1.

Probably still won't happen, but I don't buy the bullsh*t being shovelled to this point and think this should be a priority.

[derekshank]

Adam Schefter just reported on Sportscenter that the Bengals are having talks about reaching out to Brandon Marshall.

Reedy says the Marshall rumors are crap, just an attempt to drive up the price in Seattle.

Schefter was just on Mike & Mike and was pretty bold about his previous report.

He mentioned that some people out there (Reedy?) were speculating that the Bengals were just trying to gain leverage. He responded, saying that he doesn't speculate about the Bengals intentions... he reports facts. And the fact is that the Bengals are discussing pursuing Brandon Marshall and have reached out to him. He also mentioned their interest in T.O. and Bryant.

Interesting. He's clearly responding to those who called his report bogus, and not backing down.

Another thing he mentioned is that the Seahawks would be forced to give up the #6 overall pick to get Marshall... and that might be more than they really want to give up.

[cincyhokie]

Adam Schefter just reported on Sportscenter that the Bengals are having talks about reaching out to Brandon Marshall.

Reedy says the Marshall rumors are crap, just an attempt to drive up the price in Seattle.

Schefter was just on Mike & Mike and was pretty bold about his previous report.

He mentioned that some people out there (Reedy?) were speculating that the Bengals were just trying to gain leverage. He responded, saying that he doesn't speculate about the Bengals intentions... he reports facts. And the fact is that the Bengals are discussing pursuing Brandon Marshall and have reached out to him. He also mentioned their interest in T.O. and Bryant.

Interesting. He's clearly responding to those who called his report bogus, and not backing down.

Another thing he mentioned is that the Seahawks would be forced to give up the #6 overall pick to get Marshall... and that might be more than they really want to give up.

Reedy sounds like he's pissed because a national reporter beat him to his locality. In fact, has Reedy done anything except report on other people's reports?

[derekshank]

Once again, this just smacks of the Bengals trying to keep costs down and focus elsewhere. The problem with that is, the WR position will continue to decline. As much as the thought of T.O. for a season actually doesn't bother me much (note, didn't say I loved it), we will follow that up with the 2011 season without Chad or T.O. under contract and what on the roster after that ?? This organization needs more than a one year stop gap to adequately fill this hole.

Yep. T.O. makes this WR corps older, not younger. It would definitely be a one year stop gap... much like they regularly did with the DT position early in the Marvin Lewis era. More of the same strategy on the other side of the ball this time?

I still don't think this should be the issue of finances that people are making it out to be. I mentioned in another post that the Bengals were already paying Coles 7 million per year and now he's not a concern being cut without cap concerns. Add to that trading away our first round pick that is going to see a contract in the 3 million per year range and be given almost 9 million in guaranteed money after the bump from last year's #21, Alex Mack.

Of course you are right. More importantly, Mike Brown knows you are right. People can say what they want about Mike Brown being cheap... but if he's really cheap, one of the best ways to save money would be to cut Coles, and use that money to get Marshall... meanwhile not having to pay a rookie a 1st round contract. So, if (when) then Bengals don't do this, I don't think the money issue is a fair complaint. It will have much more to do with the way Mike Brown prefers to build a team. Signing T.O. or Antonio Bryant will be the most expensive option for Mikey... because he'll have that contract, AND have a 1st round pick.

But I'm not sure I want the Bengals to give up their 1st round pick. What will the fans have to complain about in August with no 1st round holdout?

I say f*ck Chad and his sensitive ass, go get your #1 WR for the next 5-6 years and not look back. They should still address the WR position in the draft and be done with worrying about the WR spot. Well, then there's always the option of going into 2011 with no Chad, no T.O. (or whatever band aid signed) and Jerome Simpson as our #1.

Probably still won't happen, but I don't buy the bullsh*t being shovelled to this point and think this should be a priority.

I agree, and I think the Bengals need to be more forward thinking. Whether you love Chad or hate him, everyone will agree that it is probably time to start planning for the future. Even a Chad fan who doesn't want to see the Bengals let him walk in 2011 should know by now that he's on the wrong side of 30, and needs some help.

I'm okay with drafting a WR with the #1 pick if the right guy falls to #21. However, if I understand everyone... the reason people don't want T.O. or Marshall is because they are prima donna type WRs that will hurt the locker room.

Fair enough. But look at the top 3 WRs in the draft. Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn, and Golden Tate are all viewed as prima donna types. With Brandon Marshall, you at least know what you're getting when it comes to on the field production.

I'm not saying the Bengals should make this move... but if they need a WR, and they don't want a prima donna... you are pretty much down to Antonio Bryant. Is that a big enough move to make a difference?

[walzav29]

Hobson had a great point. This is a smooth transition from Chad to Marshall. Give the guy 50 mill, and then cut Chad after 2011 and then the drafted rookie this year along with Marshall and Caldwell ride out Palmers last 6 years.

[NJ29]

Adam Schefter just reported on Sportscenter that the Bengals are having talks about reaching out to Brandon Marshall.

Reedy says the Marshall rumors are crap, just an attempt to drive up the price in Seattle.

Schefter was just on Mike & Mike and was pretty bold about his previous report.

He mentioned that some people out there (Reedy?) were speculating that the Bengals were just trying to gain leverage. He responded, saying that he doesn't speculate about the Bengals intentions... he reports facts. And the fact is that the Bengals are discussing pursuing Brandon Marshall and have reached out to him. He also mentioned their interest in T.O. and Bryant.

Interesting. He's clearly responding to those who called his report bogus, and not backing down.

Another thing he mentioned is that the Seahawks would be forced to give up the #6 overall pick to get Marshall... and that might be more than they really want to give up.

That's a very good point about the Seahawks' #6 pick Derek, and it's probably why they were hesitant to sign him to an offer sheet right after his visit.

And I trust Schefter's reporting much more than I do Reedy's. Every report that Reedy makes sounds like it's coming from a bitter old f**k.

As far as compensation, I fully believe that the contract would be a far bigger stumbling block than the first round pick.

[volcom69]

The Bengals would be idiots not to do this deal, get your #1 reciever, and who cares if you bruise Chads ego. Get Marshall and draft your wrs in the draft, and with Caldwell there is your wr core for the next couple years. Dont be foolish Bengals and sign Marshall.

[NJ29]

The Bengals would be idiots not to do this deal, get your #1 reciever, and who cares if you bruise Chads ego. Get Marshall and draft your wrs in the draft, and with Caldwell there is your wr core for the next couple years. Dont be foolish Bengals and sign Marshall.

I want Marshall just as much as anyone else, but it's not that simple. I think that it is certainly possible, but the thoughts about his signing affecting their ability to re-sign Leon and JJoe long term are valid.

[HairOnFire]

Schefter was just on Mike & Mike and was pretty bold about his previous report.

FWIW, Steve Wyche said the Bengals had indeed contacted Marshall and immediately afterwards spoke "briefly" to his agent. He then claimed no serious contract talks with the Bengals had taken place yet, but only because the Seahawks are Marshall's first choice and he's willing to wait to see if they'll make an actual contract offer.

[HairOnFire]

Another thing he mentioned is that the Seahawks would be forced to give up the #6 overall pick to get Marshall... and that might be more than they really want to give up.

I know Seattle can't offer the 14th overall pick because it's not that teams original pick, but rather...one they got in trade. However, can't the Seahawks trade down from #6 into a lower 1st round slot and trade THAT pick?

[kingwilly]

Schefter was just on Mike & Mike and was pretty bold about his previous report.

FWIW, Steve Wyche said the Bengals had indeed contacted Marshall and immediately afterwards spoke "briefly" to his agent. He then claimed no serious contract talks with the Bengals had taken place yet, but only because the Seahawks are Marshall's first choice and he's willing to wait to see if they'll make an actual contract offer.

Sounds to me like the Bengals made their interest known, to give Marshal, his agent and the broncos something to think about. Whether it impacts Seattle's interest is really not the point.

If I am Marshall and had a choice, I'd think the Bengals are a better option that Seattle. Now, Marshall has thrived in a more West-cost style, which is what Seattle "used" to be, but with Carrol there now, I would think hard about how quickly the team i am going to can win.

Yes, winning the AFCN is a tougher road that the NFCW, but I would choose Cincy if given the option.

As for the RFA/sign/trade considerations, there are just too many little nuances to predict what kind of deal could be made. I referenced the Deltha O'neal trade, though different, as an example of the Bengals getting creative and packaging up picks/value to get a quality player who came in and made an immediate impact.

I am liking that they are in the hunt on this.

I will stake it right now: If they do get Marshall, it would be the biggest move they've ever made AND the most important thing they could have done to give them a shot at a SB run, a serious SB run.

[kingwilly]

Another thing he mentioned is that the Seahawks would be forced to give up the #6 overall pick to get Marshall... and that might be more than they really want to give up.

I know Seattle can't offer the 14th overall pick because it's not that teams original pick, but rather...one they got in trade. However, can't the Seahawks trade down from #6 into a lower 1st round slot and trade THAT pick?

I guess that is an option. They better get wheeling-and-dealing to get this done.

The Bengals could attempt the same type of thing.

If it comes to that, then it would seem this type of deal would come right at the draft.

Jeez, what a story-line to follow.

I wonder the role TJ will play in not only pumping Seattle but also trashing Cincy.

Marshall did seem to be tight with Chad/Chenry.

DAMN> I want Marshall in stripes. If I am Carson, I am writing my own checks to make it happen.

[walzav29]

I didn't know that Seattle could trade the 14th pick. That changes this for me. I wouldn't give up a 6th overall pick for Marshall. They have alot of holes, and they can get help some areas that are more in need. To me. Cincinnati is the best fit for all parties involved. Matt Hasselbeck is on his last leg and they're rebuilding. Palmer has 6-7 years left. The money is the question. I think this decision is going to have quite the domino effect in regards to Marvin re-signing as well.

[HairOnFire]

This is encouraging.

Schefter, per Tirico, now claims Seattle never engaged in serious contract talks despite the two-day visit, and how the situation may not be resolved until draft day nears. Marshall also talked about possibly returning to Denver for another season if no team agrees to his contract demands.

[HairOnFire]

If I am Marshall and had a choice, I'd think the Bengals are a better option that Seattle. Now, Marshall has thrived in a more West-cost style, which is what Seattle "used" to be, but with Carrol there now, I would think hard about how quickly the team i am going to can win.

The wild card is Jeremy Bates, the Seahawk's new OC who recently was in control of the offense in Denver. So regardless of the odds of winning in Seattle if Marshall were signed by the Seahawks he would already know the scheme, playbook, and his role as a #1 WR would be undisputed.

[derekshank]

If I am Marshall and had a choice, I'd think the Bengals are a better option that Seattle. Now, Marshall has thrived in a more West-cost style, which is what Seattle "used" to be, but with Carrol there now, I would think hard about how quickly the team i am going to can win.

The wild card is Jeremy Bates, the Seahawk's new OC who recently was in control of the offense in Denver. So regardless of the odds of winning in Seattle if Marshall were signed by the Seahawks he would already know the scheme, playbook, and his role as a #1 WR would be undisputed.

Yeah... and if I remember correctly, Marshall had some trouble early in the season learning the scheme. I could definitely see him not wanting to have to learn anything new.

Also, from a Seahawks perspective, Housh could return to the role that got him paid in the first place with a true #1 next to him, and I could see that being a tempting move just to make the money they are giving to him look like less of a mistake.

As I've said before, this does not look like a move the Bengals would make... and I'll be shocked if they even offer a contract, let alone really bring him in. But this is still by far the most interesting story of the offseason thus far - so let the good times roll.

[Sea Ray]

Another thing he mentioned is that the Seahawks would be forced to give up the #6 overall pick to get Marshall... and that might be more than they really want to give up.

I know Seattle can't offer the 14th overall pick because it's not that teams original pick, but rather...one they got in trade. However, can't the Seahawks trade down from #6 into a lower 1st round slot and trade THAT pick?

No they can't and you've got the reason in your post. Compensation for restricted FAs has to be the team's original pick. They won't let the Seahawks trade down with the Saints and then say to Denver "here's your stinkin' #1 pick". It doesn't work that way.

If Seattle doesn't want to part with their precious #6 overall pick then their only recourse is to work out a trade with the Broncos