need a new kicker

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Can we find a kicker who can kick the ball through the end zone? Our return team allows too much yardage and opponents start their drives on average at the 35 yard line. Its time to get rid of Howdy Doody.

[Pidge]

Huber has a good leg. Couldn't we at least try to get him to KO. I mean, sissynanny soccerball players weighing 160 lbs can hoof the ball at least 80 yards given a run up.

[Pidge]

Haha. Touchback. The key is insult him it seems.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Can we find a kicker who can kick the ball through the end zone? Our return team allows too much yardage and opponents start their drives on average at the 35 yard line. Its time to get rid of Howdy Doody.

Shayne did just that on his 2nd kick, plus he's 4th all time in accuracy.

[BengalSIS]

Can we find a kicker who can kick the ball through the end zone? Our return team allows too much yardage and opponents start their drives on average at the 35 yard line. Its time to get rid of Howdy Doody.

Haha...he kicks to the endzone/1 yard line, and it's HIS fault they return it so far. OK.

And he had two touchbacks. Nope...kicker wasn't a problem.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Can we find a kicker who can kick the ball through the end zone? Our return team allows too much yardage and opponents start their drives on average at the 35 yard line. Its time to get rid of Howdy Doody.

Haha...he kicks to the endzone/1 yard line, and it's HIS fault they return it so far. OK.

And he had two touchbacks. Nope...kicker wasn't a problem.

No sis. Shayne did his job today in my book.

[ChadJohnson-85]

I don't really think the ST in general had anything to do with our loss today. Shane ain't the ST's btw. He's part of it. It's a team effort. Period.

[BengalPimp]

Can we find a kicker who can kick the ball through the end zone? Our return team allows too much yardage and opponents start their drives on average at the 35 yard line. Its time to get rid of Howdy Doody.

Shayne did just that on his 2nd kick, plus he's 4th all time in accuracy.

Sure, but honestly Billy, how many times will they even attempt anything near a 50 yard FG? They dont.....Dude's been an NFL Kicker for 9 years, and yet his Career long is 53 yards? I dont want to piss off BengalSIS, but how many times have we seen them punt from around their opponents 35? (rougly 52 yd FG) huh?

But yet the Chargers 100% confidence in Kaeding to kick a 52 yd FG (which would have been good from 62) to win the game. Can you honestly say that you would have been as confident with Graham attempting that?

The odds would say your going to have a better percentage if you only attempt shorter kicks...that's just fact.

Don't even get me started on the kickoffs, I've been down that road too many times...I believ the 2 touchbacks today may have been a career high for him in one game though.

[Clackwoods]

Can we find a kicker who can kick the ball through the end zone? Our return team allows too much yardage and opponents start their drives on average at the 35 yard line. Its time to get rid of Howdy Doody.

Just throwing this out there, but OPIE kicked one out of the back of the end zone and caused another (THE FINAL KICK OFF) to be a touchback. I am pretty happy with that.

Don't worry though, he will be kicking for Dallas next season

[Kazkal]

This year no

Next year? I'd no mind looking in the 5th like huber.

Just throwing this out there, but OPIE kicked one out of the back of the end zone and caused another (THE FINAL KICK OFF) to be a touchback. I am pretty happy with that.

Ya his kickoffs today were solid....just problem with 1st kickoff which was coverage brakedown

[ChadJohnson-85]

This year no

Next year? I'd no mind looking in the 5th like huber.

Just throwing this out there, but OPIE kicked one out of the back of the end zone and caused another (THE FINAL KICK OFF) to be a touchback. I am pretty happy with that.

Ya his kickoffs today were solid....just problem with 1st kickoff which was coverage brakedown

Yeah that's what I mean though. It's a team effort. Sure we could use a better kicker. But we can't always depend on Shane to kick it into the end zone for a touch back. The STs should be used to this by now.

[Ickey44]

Why is Graham always one of the first one's blamed when we lose a game? Like every loss is his responsibility. Graham did his job today. The offense, and more importantly, the defense didn't.

[ArmyBengal]

I had no issues with Shayne today and don't know why his name is coming up in that regard.

However, when he kicks off out of bounds, then yeah, I'm going to spout a little.

As much of a fan of his that I have been and think he a really good guy, I would be no where close to confident if he had to line up to take the kick that Kaeding made yesterday with little to no thought. That kick was CRUSHED and absolute money. I only feel that way about Shayne inside of 40.

[cincy9275]

graham did his job today. he was not the problem. matter of fact i though graham had a damn good day.

[101Airborne]

While I agree that Shayne took care of business today, that seems more of a rarity than his usual form. He's had whole games of crappy kickoffs before. Shane is a fine FG kicker but I just don't trust his leg on the kickoff. The out of bounds kicks are truly the worst though. Every time I see him do it I want to throw my couch through my entertainment center. The only two things that make me more nervous than The Franchise are The Ocho trying to stiff arm linebackers and Coates getting anywhere near a football for any reason.

[BengalSIS]

I had no issues with Shayne today and don't know why his name is coming up in that regard.

However, when he kicks off out of bounds, then yeah, I'm going to spout a little.

As much of a fan of his that I have been and think he a really good guy, I would be no where close to confident if he had to line up to take the kick that Kaeding made yesterday with little to no thought. That kick was CRUSHED and absolute money. I only feel that way about Shayne inside of 40.

Except he HAS made kicks over 50 this year, and they were CRUSHED, down the center, and good for at least 60 yards...

His first over 50 miss of the year was touched and during the "snapping" troubles. He does not have a problem with distance.

Also...I have pointed out on other boards how we have "lost opportunities" for kicking long ones many times this year. With getting sacked out of range, throwing interceptions, and getting penalties that push us back. Teams do not always attempt those long ones just because the ball is in the right spot. Most just assume that if it's being passed up, that it's lack of confidence in kicker. Wrong... There are MANY reasons ALL coaches pass up those kicks from time to time.

Just like NE passed them up for YEARS, even with dear ol Vinitari.

[Wraith]

Totally off the topic, but since we have BengalSIS here, how are the guys in the locker room getting over Chris' death? How did Shayne fell about it?

[ArmyBengal]

I had no issues with Shayne today and don't know why his name is coming up in that regard.

However, when he kicks off out of bounds, then yeah, I'm going to spout a little.

As much of a fan of his that I have been and think he a really good guy, I would be no where close to confident if he had to line up to take the kick that Kaeding made yesterday with little to no thought. That kick was CRUSHED and absolute money. I only feel that way about Shayne inside of 40.

Except he HAS made kicks over 50 this year, and they were CRUSHED, down the center, and good for at least 60 yards...

His first over 50 miss of the year was touched and during the "snapping" troubles. He does not have a problem with distance.

Also...I have pointed out on other boards how we have "lost opportunities" for kicking long ones many times this year. With getting sacked out of range, throwing interceptions, and getting penalties that push us back. Teams do not always attempt those long ones just because the ball is in the right spot. Most just assume that if it's being passed up, that it's lack of confidence in kicker. Wrong... There are MANY reasons ALL coaches pass up those kicks from time to time.

Just like NE passed them up for YEARS, even with dear ol Vinitari.

Hey BengalSIS, I can wholeheartedly see where you are coming from in regards to what the team may or not be doing from a coaching standpoint in regards to Shayne and lining up for the long kick. From a fans perspective, I'm merely pointing out that I'm not as confident as I once was in Shayne's ability to do that with little to no thought as we saw from Kaeding last night.

This is how I view it and already admit to not knowing the ins and outs of the coaching staff:

If Shayne were to line up for a 53 yard FG in order to win the game, I would be thinking his chances weren't that good of hitting it.

When Kaeding went out for that kick yesterday, I had already chalked it up to a loss.

I'm not trying to offend, only point out my feeling about our kicking game at this point in time.

Maybe you can give us some insight to kickoffs that go out of bounds, because that sh*t makes me want to bash my widescreen !!!

[BengalByTheBay]

Just throwing this out there, but OPIE kicked one out of the back of the end zone and caused another (THE FINAL KICK OFF) to be a touchback. I am pretty happy with that.

Actually, the final KO was a squib kick that gave them pretty decent field possession immediately. I don't really blame the kicker for that decision, however. The Bengals do that late in games almost inevitably and it has bitten them in the ass several times.

I think it's odd that kicking should be an issue after this game. I'm pretty certain that if the game came down to a Shayne 52 yarder for the win, the coaches would have had no reservation with doing that. It was a nice day, no wind on a good field. Yes, Kaeding planted it, but didn't he miss one about 3 years ago (against Pitt maybe?) in the playoffs that lost the game for them. That day it was raining and a wet track. So, saying Kaeding is great and Shayne sucks based on this game is bizarre to me.

[whizzo]

kicker isn't the problem now... we need depth/talent at S, CB, and DL.

[BengalSIS]

I had no issues with Shayne today and don't know why his name is coming up in that regard.

However, when he kicks off out of bounds, then yeah, I'm going to spout a little.

As much of a fan of his that I have been and think he a really good guy, I would be no where close to confident if he had to line up to take the kick that Kaeding made yesterday with little to no thought. That kick was CRUSHED and absolute money. I only feel that way about Shayne inside of 40.

Except he HAS made kicks over 50 this year, and they were CRUSHED, down the center, and good for at least 60 yards...

His first over 50 miss of the year was touched and during the "snapping" troubles. He does not have a problem with distance.

Also...I have pointed out on other boards how we have "lost opportunities" for kicking long ones many times this year. With getting sacked out of range, throwing interceptions, and getting penalties that push us back. Teams do not always attempt those long ones just because the ball is in the right spot. Most just assume that if it's being passed up, that it's lack of confidence in kicker. Wrong... There are MANY reasons ALL coaches pass up those kicks from time to time.

Just like NE passed them up for YEARS, even with dear ol Vinitari.

Hey BengalSIS, I can wholeheartedly see where you are coming from in regards to what the team may or not be doing from a coaching standpoint in regards to Shayne and lining up for the long kick. From a fans perspective, I'm merely pointing out that I'm not as confident as I once was in Shayne's ability to do that with little to no thought as we saw from Kaeding last night.

This is how I view it and already admit to not knowing the ins and outs of the coaching staff:

If Shayne were to line up for a 53 yard FG in order to win the game, I would be thinking his chances weren't that good of hitting it.

When Kaeding went out for that kick yesterday, I had already chalked it up to a loss.

I'm not trying to offend, only point out my feeling about our kicking game at this point in time.

Maybe you can give us some insight to kickoffs that go out of bounds, because that sh*t makes me want to bash my widescreen !!!

Yeah, I didn't take much offense.

I just think many don't realize that it's EASY to always think the other guy is gonna make it, and we are gonna miss it. Heck, I pray everytime another teams kicker lines up that he misses, but I always expect him to make it. I'm so jaded that I expect the worst kicker in the league to make a 60 if he lines up for it, because that's just the way I see our luck. But seriously, because we have something personal to lose, I never feel as confident about our plays, our kicks, our defense as I do the other teams. I think it's the pessimist in me.

So I do understand. I just don't think it's all rooted in Shayne's performance as the reason for your doubts. Because he has given much evidence to support that he makes the majority of his kicks, and his over 50 percentage is up there with many of the top kickers. Nate is the rare exception. He has done extremely well for himself. But I am curious as to how his stats would be if he weren't a fair weather kicker most times. Same goes for Dome kickers. Shayne has done very well, in some very crappy conditions I might add.

Amazing what some warmer weather does to a ball on kickoffs for instance..

BTW....I hate OOB kicks as well. But what I hate more is the fact it's called to kick it to the corner... It's not a ROUND ball, and if the returner decides to not field it, the chances of it going out of bounds is fairly high. Now...that said. The last OOB was a flat out crap kick that he just hit wrong. No bad kicking call about it. Just a bad connection with the ball. But the others...4 inches the other way, and it's a touchback great kick.

[TJJackson]

BengalSis - any insight on if Shayne intends to return next year?

I don't recall us having much luck in recent years retaining our franchised player......seems like once the tag is applied, it's all over (albeit delayed a year)

[ArmyBengal]

I had no issues with Shayne today and don't know why his name is coming up in that regard.

However, when he kicks off out of bounds, then yeah, I'm going to spout a little.

As much of a fan of his that I have been and think he a really good guy, I would be no where close to confident if he had to line up to take the kick that Kaeding made yesterday with little to no thought. That kick was CRUSHED and absolute money. I only feel that way about Shayne inside of 40.

Except he HAS made kicks over 50 this year, and they were CRUSHED, down the center, and good for at least 60 yards...

His first over 50 miss of the year was touched and during the "snapping" troubles. He does not have a problem with distance.

Also...I have pointed out on other boards how we have "lost opportunities" for kicking long ones many times this year. With getting sacked out of range, throwing interceptions, and getting penalties that push us back. Teams do not always attempt those long ones just because the ball is in the right spot. Most just assume that if it's being passed up, that it's lack of confidence in kicker. Wrong... There are MANY reasons ALL coaches pass up those kicks from time to time.

Just like NE passed them up for YEARS, even with dear ol Vinitari.

Hey BengalSIS, I can wholeheartedly see where you are coming from in regards to what the team may or not be doing from a coaching standpoint in regards to Shayne and lining up for the long kick. From a fans perspective, I'm merely pointing out that I'm not as confident as I once was in Shayne's ability to do that with little to no thought as we saw from Kaeding last night.

This is how I view it and already admit to not knowing the ins and outs of the coaching staff:

If Shayne were to line up for a 53 yard FG in order to win the game, I would be thinking his chances weren't that good of hitting it.

When Kaeding went out for that kick yesterday, I had already chalked it up to a loss.

I'm not trying to offend, only point out my feeling about our kicking game at this point in time.

Maybe you can give us some insight to kickoffs that go out of bounds, because that sh*t makes me want to bash my widescreen !!!

Yeah, I didn't take much offense.

I just think many don't realize that it's EASY to always think the other guy is gonna make it, and we are gonna miss it. Heck, I pray everytime another teams kicker lines up that he misses, but I always expect him to make it. I'm so jaded that I expect the worst kicker in the league to make a 60 if he lines up for it, because that's just the way I see our luck. But seriously, because we have something personal to lose, I never feel as confident about our plays, our kicks, our defense as I do the other teams. I think it's the pessimist in me.

So I do understand. I just don't think it's all rooted in Shayne's performance as the reason for your doubts. Because he has given much evidence to support that he makes the majority of his kicks, and his over 50 percentage is up there with many of the top kickers. Nate is the rare exception. He has done extremely well for himself. But I am curious as to how his stats would be if he weren't a fair weather kicker most times. Same goes for Dome kickers. Shayne has done very well, in some very crappy conditions I might add.

Amazing what some warmer weather does to a ball on kickoffs for instance..

BTW....I hate OOB kicks as well. But what I hate more is the fact it's called to kick it to the corner... It's not a ROUND ball, and if the returner decides to not field it, the chances of it going out of bounds is fairly high. Now...that said. The last OOB was a flat out crap kick that he just hit wrong. No bad kicking call about it. Just a bad connection with the ball. But the others...4 inches the other way, and it's a touchback great kick.

See, why can't all responses by like this ?? Great answers and insight. Just another reason you being a member here is appreciated !!!

As to the other comments about thinking Kaeding is "great" and Shayne "sucks". Maybe someone else made those comments, but I certainly wasn't referring to any such thing. I was only referring to my current line of thought, which has been tempered a bit due to BengalSis' repsonse. This game also wasn't the reason to have this brought up, but since it was, the conversation just continued.

I wish Shayne nothing but the best !!!

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Of all the weeks to post this nonsense. Shayne probably had one of his best kickoffs all year. Damn near hit the goalpost.

Somebody up the thread asked why everybody keeps blaming Shayne - probably our best K ever, I should note. My theory on this is that people need something to blame after a tough loss (and this extends to real life too). If there's nothing to blame, then that means we simply lost, and people can't handle that.

Fact is, both teams played very good games but the Chargers made fewer mistakes overall. Story of our year. Too many penalties, too many brain cramps, too many dumb turnovers, and some bad luck.

What I do know is if they bring that game against the Cheifs, they'll win by 25. And they better win, because I don't want our whole season hanging on that Jets game.