Someone explain this

[BengalByTheBay]

Wow - this debate is so stupid it makes me feel like I woke up in the offseason. The hysterical one does have a point in that Coles has underperformed and had too many drops. The hysterical one is somehow equating this to Chris Henry's departure, but I believe Coles has played significantly better since slim went down. Finally, the hysterical one spends a lot of time talking about how great slim is, but that is completely irrelevant to what this team is, or should be, doing now. Sure, they miss him some, but his production was not that awesome that it's absence makes that big a difference. Slim is dead, long live the slim.

From where I sit, none of the receivers is consistently setting it on fire. There have been drops pretty much all around, although Coles has had some doozies. Part of the blame goes to CP as well, part to the o line, and part to play calling. Coles could play better, but to say "he's killing us" and we would be 11-0 without him is wicked stupid.

Keep lying to yourself son.

Sooo, Chris Henry isn't really hurt and out for the season? And we really would be 11-0 with Quan Cosby in the lineup instead of Coles?

BTW, if you really are old enough to call me "son," I feel bad for you and it's probably past your bedtime. By the looks of it, however, my guess is you're looking forward to reaching drinking age soon.

[TJJackson]

TJ JACKSON.

Stop the Non Sense. I am not Exacta.

Uhm, yeah....oh, and by the way, I am not TJ Jackson.

I'm Batman

You could not help yourself after the Raider game to ask where is exacta now?

Yeah, it's funny to look back on the trolls of the past

In regards to you, You are still ignoring what every expert and nfl team, coach and player would tell you and has said

See, here's where hyperbole undermines you that again. There is no basis whatsoever for making such a claim - aside from statements like "hello" and "bye" and "I'm not paid enough", there are few if any statements made by *every* player, much less every 'every expert and nfl team, coach and player'. So your statement is profoundly ignorant, which given your well-demonstrated profound ignorance is not all that surprising

: The Bengals miss henry.

Numbers do not lie. Since Henry is gone we have 0 Td's.

I might make some concessions here if you were to concede that Coles managed to have himself a good game or two over the course of the season

So - I dont see the one happening, so I dont see the other either

Coles against the browns who have the thinnest corner coverage in the NFL was 2/9 for 20 yds.

Still can't be a man and admit not only you were wrong but you were more than 100,000 country miles off.

The hyperbole wears thin

Being a man goes two ways, doesn't it? Anything you care to admit to being wrong about?

and again, Coles did not have a good game w12. No question. No skin off my nose. Not a big fan of Coles, but I at least can acknowlege he is not of no use to the team.

Care to talk about entire seasons your bed buddy Cheech wasted?

I didn't think so

it is now common knowledge how bad Coles is.

Common = you and you alone, for the most part.

He's a better example of common knowledge, see if you can wrap your tiny brain around it: 1 bad game is not the same as a bad season.

Let's just hope he does not spoil our season.

Maybe Jesus can help. Jesus, will you help our brother Coles?

Mark me down for 5 Our fathers and Three Hail Mary's.

We should be 11-0.

Really? Was Coles entirely responsible for our three losses? Did he fumble that KR late against the Raiders, for example? Geez, here and I thought that was Caldwell

[TJJackson]

Again I spoke to Exacta.

*laff*

Geez, why hasn't this guy been tossed already?

[BengalPimp]

Again I spoke to Exacta.

He said from day 1 he is not a an of any player just the team.

He wanted to help anyway possible by letting the fans know that Coles would be a problem down the stretch.

The man is a very good physic. Luckily he is a bengal fan and got a very strong read on the situation.

The vibe he got was that Slim 100% was ready to proove himself to everyone and he will next season.

At the end of the day look at Coles last few years. Look at Henry's last few years.

Things change. One guy was good and is now ineffective. The other guy was a problem and now is so committed to the team and

playing great football. Forget the past he is exactly what we need. Henry is meant to be here and Coles is not.

Everybody makes mistakes. Every single person does. Forgive henry. He will end up doing more good over the next few years

and will be a great turn around story for life and the NFL. He is not the star of our team but he does enough to give our other offensive players

some space to work with by making Defenses pay attention to him. Not for nothing but he was becoming consistent, humble and very effective for the small amount of plays the let him run.

Numbers do not lie. Since the "team player" is gone not one other WR or Te has been able to score one single TD.

Henry is a Free-Agent at the end of this season, and quite honestly wasnt having a very good year before he went down. I had bigger expectations for him (as many did). The only positive I can see, is that maybe he will be a bargain, if Marvin and staff choose to sign him (big IF considering it was Mikey Brown who wanted Henry back, NOT LEWIS). I am not interested in talking about Henry until the off-season....and if they re-sign him.

That said, Coles SHOULD be beating the single coverage he sees, thanks to teams double-covering The Ocho, however he is not.

Many people dont mention the fact that the O-Line, while pretty good at Run-Blocking, Cannot give Carson the time he needs to complete the deep passes. We dont have a decent pass-blocking TE, and RT is a ?

The problem is not just at WR.

[TJJackson]

Wow - this debate is so stupid it makes me feel like I woke up in the offseason.

My favorite part is where he calls Exacta a psychic

[BengalPimp]

Wow - this debate is so stupid it makes me feel like I woke up in the offseason.

My favorite part is where he calls Exacta a psychic

Actually, if you were to read it again...he called Exacta a Physic, not Psychic, but what did you really expect?

[BengalByTheBay]

Wow - this debate is so stupid it makes me feel like I woke up in the offseason.

My favorite part is where he calls Exacta a psychic

Actually, if you were to read it again...he called Exacta a Physic, not Psychic, but what did you really expect?

And "a very good physic" at that. So, in a sense he could be right as I have no idea what a physic does.

[TJJackson]

Wow - this debate is so stupid it makes me feel like I woke up in the offseason.

My favorite part is where he calls Exacta a psychic

Actually, if you were to read it again...he called Exacta a Physic, not Psychic, but what did you really expect?

To be fair, I am not sure they've covered that word in 3rd grade spelling yet....but I took it as assumed from the context in which the (attempted) word was used.

Kinda like how Supabran writes "redikulus"

[wpeldios]

TJ JACKSON.

Stop the Non Sense. I am not Exacta.

You could not help yourself after the Raider game to ask where is exacta now?

In regards to you, You are still ignoring what every expert and nfl team, coach and player would tell you and has said: The Bengals miss henry.

Numbers do not lie. Since Henry is gone we have 0 Td's.

Coles against the browns who have the thinnest corner coverage in the NFL was 2/9 for 20 yds.

Still can't be a man and admit not only you were wrong but you were more than 100,000 country miles off.

Sorry man it is now common knowledge how bad Coles is. Let's just hope he does not spoil our season.

We should be 11-0. Instead we have to get shutdown every second half because he can't catch and after too many drops

we left Henry on the sidelines.

was previously stated, but I hope you enjoy the linked video.

Bengals scoring a passing touchdown after the omnipotent Henry got hurt

[HoosierCat]

Henry is a Free-Agent at the end of this season, and quite honestly wasnt having a very good year before he went down.

Quite honestly...I can't wholly agree. Henry wasn't knocking 'em dead, but without him the Bengals have a big hole in the vertical passing game. Teams can roll coverage toward Chad and we have...um...well...yeah...who have proven capable of taking advantage of that. Even if Henry wasn't catching a lot of balls, he was opening things up for others, and his absence is clearly being felt.

[kingwilly]

Henry is a Free-Agent at the end of this season, and quite honestly wasnt having a very good year before he went down.

Quite honestly...I can't wholly agree. Henry wasn't knocking 'em dead, but without him the Bengals have a big hole in the vertical passing game. Teams can roll coverage toward Chad and we have...um...well...yeah...who have proven capable of taking advantage of that. Even if Henry wasn't catching a lot of balls, he was opening things up for others, and his absence is clearly being felt.

Henry will be back. He will be here, his new, more mature teammates are here and SoP is his redeemer.

It also means we don't need to draft a WR high.

[wpeldios]

You mean how Cheech is killing us by still drawing a salary and counting against the salary cap while doing nothing at but driving his mom to and from her job as Sonic in Florence?

Figured I may as well point out, Henry no longer lives in florence, he moved and his mom quit sonic when the bank foreclosed on his house. Actually within the last month someone finally bought his old house out here in florence.

[FransonBoomer]

Nobody has fessed up to admit he is the reason we can't throw.....Coles = no passing offense

OK, I'm sensing, and this is just a hunch at this point, you're not a big fan of Lavernues. But really, he is the sole reason our passing game is not torching teams left and right? That's what you get from watching these last few games?

Yes he is. Look at the numbers. Way to many drops. Does not threaten any team, Allows our opponents to key in on Chad. He hurts every part of our offense.

He does not work the middle. He heads towards the sideline every play. He is a small target. 2 for 9 for 20yds against the worst team in the NFL?

Remember Ocho has to deal with the best corners. Coles gets the easy part and not only can he not exploit anybody he lets opposing defenders shut us down entirely.

He brings 1)Way to many drops 2)No size 3)No threat of anything deep or buring anybody 4)50% completion ratio on the season. We are not talking about a deep wideout but a 5-12 yard receiver.

His numbers should be more like 75%.

It is the little things bro. Henry helped by keeping teams honest. Before the game teams knew about Henry, you had to watch out for him. You think they say watch out for #11?

1 guy came in and gave us a longer field and a fast striking offense the other give the defense more room to work and less for us.

[FransonBoomer]

I will be at the game Sunday with a special sign. If any of you guys want to say hello or beat me up you will not miss me.

I will be holding a sign that say's "Don't throw to #11"

[FransonBoomer]

TJ JACKSON.

Stop the Non Sense. I am not Exacta.

Uhm, yeah....oh, and by the way, I am not TJ Jackson.

I'm Batman

You could not help yourself after the Raider game to ask where is exacta now?

Yeah, it's funny to look back on the trolls of the past

In regards to you, You are still ignoring what every expert and nfl team, coach and player would tell you and has said

See, here's where hyperbole undermines you that again. There is no basis whatsoever for making such a claim - aside from statements like "hello" and "bye" and "I'm not paid enough", there are few if any statements made by *every* player, much less every 'every expert and nfl team, coach and player'. So your statement is profoundly ignorant, which given your well-demonstrated profound ignorance is not all that surprising

: The Bengals miss henry.

Numbers do not lie. Since Henry is gone we have 0 Td's.

I might make some concessions here if you were to concede that Coles managed to have himself a good game or two over the course of the season

So - I dont see the one happening, so I dont see the other either

Coles against the browns who have the thinnest corner coverage in the NFL was 2/9 for 20 yds.

Still can't be a man and admit not only you were wrong but you were more than 100,000 country miles off.

The hyperbole wears thin

Being a man goes two ways, doesn't it? Anything you care to admit to being wrong about?

and again, Coles did not have a good game w12. No question. No skin off my nose. Not a big fan of Coles, but I at least can acknowlege he is not of no use to the team.

Care to talk about entire seasons your bed buddy Cheech wasted?

I didn't think so

it is now common knowledge how bad Coles is.

Common = you and you alone, for the most part.

He's a better example of common knowledge, see if you can wrap your tiny brain around it: 1 bad game is not the same as a bad season.

Let's just hope he does not spoil our season.

Maybe Jesus can help. Jesus, will you help our brother Coles?

Mark me down for 5 Our fathers and Three Hail Mary's.

We should be 11-0.

Really? Was Coles entirely responsible for our three losses? Did he fumble that KR late against the Raiders, for example? Geez, here and I thought that was Caldwell

Coles had 2 good games but if u review you will notice that those teams allowed him room to work to allow them to shut down Chad and Caldwell and be closer to stopping the run. The more 60-70 yd games he has the less we are gonna score. problem is he can't break anything. Seriously I have seen him break like three for 10 yds but never a threat to take it all the way. He hardly gets open and has the worst hands on our team.

beautiful things is h wont be back next year. Was he worth 10 million? not worth more than 500,000 and you know it. Mark my words Chris Henry will be in the Pro Bowl before 2013. Not only that if you watch this you will really see how wrong you are about the guy.
/>http://vizioprofiles.com/#episodes

[FransonBoomer]

TJ JACKSON.

Stop the Non Sense. I am not Exacta.

You could not help yourself after the Raider game to ask where is exacta now?

In regards to you, You are still ignoring what every expert and nfl team, coach and player would tell you and has said: The Bengals miss henry.

Numbers do not lie. Since Henry is gone we have 0 Td's.

Coles against the browns who have the thinnest corner coverage in the NFL was 2/9 for 20 yds.

Still can't be a man and admit not only you were wrong but you were more than 100,000 country miles off.

Sorry man it is now common knowledge how bad Coles is. Let's just hope he does not spoil our season.

We should be 11-0. Instead we have to get shutdown every second half because he can't catch and after too many drops

we left Henry on the sidelines.

was previously stated, but I hope you enjoy the linked video.

Bengals scoring a passing touchdown after the omnipotent Henry got hurt

Correction. A TD in the second half.

[FransonBoomer]

Henry is a Free-Agent at the end of this season, and quite honestly wasnt having a very good year before he went down.

Quite honestly...I can't wholly agree. Henry wasn't knocking 'em dead, but without him the Bengals have a big hole in the vertical passing game. Teams can roll coverage toward Chad and we have...um...well...yeah...who have proven capable of taking advantage of that. Even if Henry wasn't catching a lot of balls, he was opening things up for others, and his absence is clearly being felt.

I don't understand exactly how to explain myself always but that is a great description. It is just a shame that we have the team man. I have been watching the bengals religously for 25 years.

This something I know I have been waiting for since 88. We have one of the top Defenses, a powerful and very very effective running game and without a very good TE or #2 that is gonna burn a defense

we are not playing to our full capability. Everyone is ripping Brat but look at the run he has given us. I am shocked they have not brought in Coffman for his hands or Cosby for Coles. Cosby's speed can make teams pay when they double up OCHO and put 8 in the box. It can also give Caldwell the middle again.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

we are not playing to our full capability. Everyone is ripping Brat but look at the run he has given us. I am shocked they have not brought in Coffman for his hands or Cosby for Coles. Cosby's speed can make teams pay when they double up OCHO and put 8 in the box. It can also give Caldwell the middle again.

Just FYI since you're new, the whole Coffman thing has been done to death here. Consensus is, he'll play when and if he's ready, and from what we saw on Hard Knocks he's simply not ready to be an NFL TE yet. With Coates it was a bigger deal; now that Foschi has demonstrated he can catch and block capably, he's camped on the job now.

As far as Cosby, I'm not opposed now and again, but my guess is that Marvin/Brat like Coles' blocking in the run game enough that they put up with his occasional flakiness. We also don't know whether Cosby is a good enough route runner to deserve the playing time.

[HairOnFire]

Slinging s**t againt the wall, are we?

Fine, but let's expand things a bit.

Apparently Chad can't beat double team coverage. Period.

Prior to the 2nd Pittsburgh game the announcers mentioned how the Bengals sideline passing game would be a priority. Ooops, I guess. Because after two quick sideline outs to Chad early in the game the Bengals got NOTHING from Chad the rest of the way. Worse, it's pretty much been that way for a few games now...with opposing defenses having little or no problem at all shutting down the one thing that Chad does that SHOULD be almost unstoppable regardless of how many players defenses roll Chad'sway. The sideline pitch and catch game with Palmer.

Moving on.

Stop the Henry was a decoy s**t. Please. I don't care if you're the hysterical one or a well respected internet font of wisdom. Shut it down. Or have all of you forgotten the view behind the velvet curtain we were given by Hard Knocks? Wasn't that Marvin Lewis describing Chris Henry as a lazy buckethead who couldn't be trusted to play smart? And how long has it been since Chris Henry produced ANYTHING worth mentioning? Three freaking years, right? But now I'm supposed to belive his presence is the key to everything? Shut the f**k up.

Moving on.

Bubba Caldwell comes and goes like a soft summer breeze. Sometimes he's there and it's a glorious wonderful suprise. Ahhhhhh. And sometimes he's.....

Moving on.

Finally, I agree Coles HAS lost a step, and rarely gets open quickly unless it's on an inside slant. But the "Old King Coles" tag fits more than one way because Coles gives the Bengals a veteran pass catcher to check down to when opposing teams decide to shut down Chad, something they can seemingly do at will. And while the drops have been maddening and unexcusable...(wait for it)...I've got to question it when only half of a passing duo is criticized for poor timing. To put it mildly, Palmer to Coles is not a well oiled machine, and may never become one this season OR ever. Because his contract always looked like a 1 year deal with options, right? But why is that a problem? How can anyone, including Marvin Lewis or TJ "Sweetie" Jackson be considered misguided for embracing the idea of a veteran WR getting snaps during a playoff drive over unproven and often mistake prone younger players?

[Pidge]

Stop the Henry was a decoy s**t. Please. I don't care if you're the hysterical one or a well respected internet font of wisdom. Shut it down. Or have all of you forgotten the view behind the velvet curtain we were given by Hard Knocks? Wasn't that Marvin Lewis describing Chris Henry as a lazy buckethead who couldn't be trusted to play smart? And how long has it been since Chris Henry produced ANYTHING worth mentioning? Three freaking years, right? But now I'm supposed to belive his presence is the key to everything? Shut the f**k up.

Amen.

[Ickey44]

I will be at the game Sunday with a special sign. If any of you guys want to say hello or beat me up you will not miss me.

I will be holding a sign that say's "Don't throw to #11"

You.....are.....a........dumbass. Do you even watch the games? Why are you even arguing about somebody who's on IR being "better" than someone who's not? It doesn't matter because if you're on IR you can't freakin play. So shut the hell up about it already.

[gregstephens]

I will be at the game Sunday with a special sign. If any of you guys want to say hello or beat me up you will not miss me.

I will be holding a sign that say's "Don't throw to #11"

You.....are.....a........dumbass. Do you even watch the games? Why are you even arguing about somebody who's on IR being "better" than someone who's not? It doesn't matter because if you're on IR you can't freakin play. So shut the hell up about it already.

Ron, there's no point in penting up the frustration. Just let it out. Tell us how you really feel. You'll feel better.

[TJJackson]

Coles had 2 good games

There you go

Now was that so hard?

Sit down, take a deep breath, and read the next sentence ever so sloooooowwwwlllllyyyyy

Coles.....might......have.......ANOTHER......good......game

The logic here: If a player has two good games, is it well within the realm of possibility that he will have another

That said, here I go: Cheech had a couple of good games, but he wont have another this season, and given how he has some trouble making proper use of free time (which he has many months worth of now) he might (emphasis on the word 'might') never have one again

I hope he comes back and plays well, but am not counting on it.

Enjoy.

[HairOnFire]

I will be at the game Sunday with a special sign. If any of you guys want to say hello or beat me up you will not miss me.

I will be holding a sign that say's "Don't throw to #11"

Yes, I'm picturing it now and I can see it very clearly. It's as if my mind is a camera and I'm panning the crowd looking for colorful local fans. Face paint. Zany hats. Hand scrawled signs made of equal parts glue, glitter, and pithy blurbs of wisdom. And as the camera lense sweeps slowly across the crowd...there you are. At last. Standing tall in all of your orange glory.

You're holding the sign upside down.

[101Airborne]

I will be at the game Sunday with a special sign. If any of you guys want to say hello or beat me up you will not miss me.

I will be holding a sign that say's "Don't throw to #11"

Yes, I'm picturing it now and I can see it very clearly. It's as if my mind is a camera and I'm panning the crowd looking for colorful local fans. Face paint. Zany hats. Hand scrawled signs made of equal parts glue, glitter, and pithy blurbs of wisdom. And as the camera lense sweeps slowly across the crowd...there you are. At last. Standing tall in all of your orange glory.

You're holding the sign upside down.