Someone explain this

[walzav29]

The Bengals are running like the 1985 Oklahoma Sooners, my question is why haven't the Bengals been able to get anything deep? I'm going to ask Pat and Tim today, but I can't imagine that these teams aren't bringing 8 in the box. There haven't been any bombs in a while, and I fear that losing Henry is going to have a bigger impact than we think.

[Ickey44]

Carson addressed this in his post-game yesterday. Most defenses are playing two-deep on almost every play. He says they've called some deep routes but they just aren't there. This is why we're having so much success running the ball is because defenses are playing two-deep.

Come to think of it.....this may be why we're failing in the red-zone. I'm sure the defenses abandon the two-zone and load the box.

[walzav29]

Thats great then. They still fear Palmer and Ocho over the running game and it's killing teams. If they cut the penalties points will go up.

[Ickey44]

Thats great then. They still fear Palmer and Ocho over the running game and it's killing teams. If they cut the penalties points will go up.

That would certainly help.

[volcom69]

Thats great then. They still fear Palmer and Ocho over the running game and it's killing teams. If they cut the penalties points will go up.

Stupid penalties are killing this team right now. They are drive killers. I still think the Henry injury does hurt this team, he was there best deep threat.

[TJJackson]

Thats great then. They still fear Palmer and Ocho over the running game and it's killing teams. If they cut the penalties points will go up.

Stupid penalties are killing this team right now. They are drive killers. I still think the Henry injury does hurt this team, he was there best deep threat.

I think the current set of receivers have enough speed that they could take cracks at 20-30 yard throws down the field when the defense creeps up to play the run

Eliminate those drive killing penalties and I think this team scores another 6-10 points a game

[PhunkE1]

I would expect teams to start stacking against the run. Palmer had his worst game of the year last week. Teams will see that on tape. It all starts up front and the O-line didn't get it done early on, giving Palmer happy feet later in the game. Now that it's been proven that it doesn't matter who we plug in there at RB teams will have to respect it. It's also getting to that time in the year where teams are going to start over playing the run. I hope to see more of Andre the Giant in the next few weeks, getting him ready for the playoff run. With as good as this team looked overall against the Bears, Ravens & Steelers, they have looked just as bad the past two weeks. I think we got to get our confidence back up against Det, with @Minn, and the all important @SD looming.

I look for big numbers for Palmer and the passing game this week against Det.

[Sea Ray]

Considering the opponent the offensive line did not have a good day yesterday. Way too many holding penalties and a few offsides. When your gameplan is to run the ball, a ten yard penalty completely screws it up. ou rarely can get a first down running the ball on 1st or 2nd and 20.

[HAPPYJAQ]

Outside of Chad, receivers are simply not getting enough seperation from defenders. The majority of sacks and pressures are coming as a result of teams "bracketing" or doubling Chad, and the 2nd and 3rd reads in the progression not getting open. As much as it pains me to say it, this is the ONLY situation where we miss TJ. The positive of this is that Carson now understands that there are situations where he needs to get out of the pocket to buy his receivers more time, and he's been pretty successful throwing on the move this season.

Cincinnati also runs an offense that uses a lot of combination routes and options routes/sight adjustments. In consideration of this, the "deep pass" is very rarely the first read, especially considering we're running plays mostly out of running formations on offense, rather than 3 WR sets.

[bpepper]

Carson addressed this in his post-game yesterday. Most defenses are playing two-deep on almost every play. He says they've called some deep routes but they just aren't there. This is why we're having so much success running the ball is because defenses are playing two-deep.

Come to think of it.....this may be why we're failing in the red-zone. I'm sure the defenses abandon the two-zone and load the box.

Yeah, regarding the red zone: earlier in the year, we were much more aggressive. I remember at least 2 occasions where we ran play action and threw for an easy score on first down. Now we're wasting first and second down running from 1st and Goal at the 6-10 yard line with the box stacked, and putting everything on 3rd down where teams can play the pass. Overall, red zone and elsewhere, Brat needs to keep things more unpredictable. We get into a clockwork routine of run, run, pass - hinging each of our drives on 3rd down rather than running some play action, short slants that can turn into big gains, etc. Missing Henry a great deal - he was our 15 yards on 3rd down guy when Chad's double-covered. Though even double-covered, I'm not sure why we don't hit the quick slant to him more often with his YAC looking pretty good (provided he holds on to the damn ball). Hard to double cover a 7 yard slant out of a 3-step drop when it's the first option and happens quick.

[kingwilly]

Outside of Chad, receivers are simply not getting enough seperation from defenders. The majority of sacks and pressures are coming as a result of teams "bracketing" or doubling Chad, and the 2nd and 3rd reads in the progression not getting open. As much as it pains me to say it, this is the ONLY situation where we miss TJ. The positive of this is that Carson now understands that there are situations where he needs to get out of the pocket to buy his receivers more time, and he's been pretty successful throwing on the move this season.

Cincinnati also runs an offense that uses a lot of combination routes and options routes/sight adjustments. In consideration of this, the "deep pass" is very rarely the first read, especially considering we're running plays mostly out of running formations on offense, rather than 3 WR sets.

I think Coles has been consistently getting open.

Chad and Coles can work the edges with short passes/WR screens and make yards. Coles is a physical guy who has a good first move. Why they don't hit Coles on the quick out/screen when he is one on one, I am baffled.

It is an easy audible that Carson can easily call and would work for either Chad or Coles. CB's rarely are right up on them at the line and the play can get 4-15 yards without a hitch.

The other play I like is to Caldwell on the 7-10 yard out. Caldwell gets separation on the inside move and has great edge awareness. He has sure hands and gets open on the route every time. As long as Palmer puts the ball on his outside knee, there is really no way to defend this timing play. Caldwell can make that play.

That is 3 plays that these guys should be able tio execute with their eyes open. It is on Carson to recognize the coverage and make the adjustment.

[FransonBoomer]

Hey guys How is Coles doing?

Nobody has fessed up to admit he is the reason we can't throw.

Double Chad and leave the small old wr who is scared of the middle open.

He drops most of the balls anyway.

hmmm not one passing td since Henry is gone.

Coles "the consumate pro" is really killing it for us.

12 drops on the season only 4 recorded and 31/62 50% for a short yardage wideout???

Wow. If they would have had Henry as #2 we would be in Miami 100%.

Best D, run and we can't score a freakin' td.

Coles poses no threat to any D.

You guys were right. That crazy Exacta guy.

He was only trying to help.

Houston Game 28-17 hmmm How did he predict that Vine Street Zoo.

Coles = no passing offense

[Pidge]

Nobody has fessed up to admit he is the reason we can't throw.....Coles = no passing offense

OK, I'm sensing, and this is just a hunch at this point, you're not a big fan of Lavernues. But really, he is the sole reason our passing game is not torching teams left and right? That's what you get from watching these last few games?

[HairOnFire]

Wow. If they would have had Henry as #2 we would be in Miami 100%.

Chris Henry scored twice this season...and managed to catch just 12 passes.

Hooray, I guess.

Edit: Come to think of it this is the 3rd season in a row Henry has scored just twice. Yet in the last two weeks alone I've read about a hundred posts claiming the loss of Henry's deep speed is the biggest reason for the passing game struggles. Go figure.

[TJJackson]

That crazy Exacta guy.

So why did you change your name to FransonBoomer anyway, Exacta?

Wow. If they would have had Henry as #2 we would be in Miami 100%.

Chris Henry scored twice this season...and managed to catch just 12 passes.

Yeah, how shall we ever replace such outstanding production?

12 passes, good lord, where can we find someone who can catch 12 passes a season?

[FransonBoomer]

Wow. If they would have had Henry as #2 we would be in Miami 100%.

Chris Henry scored twice this season...and managed to catch just 12 passes.

Hooray, I guess.

Chris Henry was in for a total of 32 mins.

Coles has been in the last 20 quarters which is ten times that in the last 5 games and scored ZERO TD'S

Denver 1 catch targeted 5 times

browns 2 catches targeted 9 times

Where is he? No interviews his name is not even mentioned.

Guy is killing us.

[Pidge]

Guy is killing us.

At least you're not prone to exaggeration.

[TJJackson]

Where is he? No interviews his name is not even mentioned.

Guy is killing us.

You mean how Cheech is killing us by still drawing a salary and counting against the salary cap while doing nothing at but driving his mom to and from her job as Sonic in Florence?

Anyway, on the matter of interviews - your statement here clearly demonstrates how very, very little you know about this team

Even before the season started, before we knew how well or poorly he or this team would perform in the upcoming season, anyone who actually bothered to read about this team (ie, other folks, not you) learned that Coles doesn't do interviews. Period. Even when he's had a great game - yes, another little fact you also have not bothered to acknowlege - he does not speak to the press.

So pretty much all we have learned from you today is

1) You're Exacta

2) You're pretending you're not Exacta, which is phenomenally stupid since your writing style and demonstrated interests are virtually identical

2) You're just as profoundly ignorant on football matters as you were under your original board name

3) You can be counted on to tell us what Cheech has had for dinner recently, by the taste of his backside on your firmly imbedded tongue

[FransonBoomer]

TJ JACKSON.

Stop the Non Sense. I am not Exacta.

You could not help yourself after the Raider game to ask where is exacta now?

In regards to you, You are still ignoring what every expert and nfl team, coach and player would tell you and has said: The Bengals miss henry.

Numbers do not lie. Since Henry is gone we have 0 Td's.

Coles against the browns who have the thinnest corner coverage in the NFL was 2/9 for 20 yds.

Still can't be a man and admit not only you were wrong but you were more than 100,000 country miles off.

Sorry man it is now common knowledge how bad Coles is. Let's just hope he does not spoil our season.

We should be 11-0. Instead we have to get shutdown every second half because he can't catch and after too many drops

we left Henry on the sidelines.

[HairOnFire]

Chris Henry was in for a total of 32 mins.

Yeah, I guess "The Man" has been unfairly keeping Slim down for three years in a row now.

(sniff)

[FransonBoomer]

What we learned about Coles.

1. He cannot catch

2. he poses no threat to any defense

3. we overpaid him

4. nobody has called him out

5. He is a small target

6. he is afraid of the middle.

7. he wants to end his career nice and safe while we are trying to win a superbowl

8. 92% of bengal fans would now say they wish Henry was our #2 from week 1

9. He is having issues big time.

10. 2/9 against the browns

11. less than 50% completions to a short yardage wr. How is he doing?

[FransonBoomer]

Again I spoke to Exacta.

He said from day 1 he is not a an of any player just the team.

He wanted to help anyway possible by letting the fans know that Coles would be a problem down the stretch.

The man is a very good physic. Luckily he is a bengal fan and got a very strong read on the situation.

The vibe he got was that Slim 100% was ready to proove himself to everyone and he will next season.

At the end of the day look at Coles last few years. Look at Henry's last few years.

Things change. One guy was good and is now ineffective. The other guy was a problem and now is so committed to the team and

playing great football. Forget the past he is exactly what we need. Henry is meant to be here and Coles is not.

Everybody makes mistakes. Every single person does. Forgive henry. He will end up doing more good over the next few years

and will be a great turn around story for life and the NFL. He is not the star of our team but he does enough to give our other offensive players

some space to work with by making Defenses pay attention to him. Not for nothing but he was becoming consistent, humble and very effective for the small amount of plays the let him run.

Numbers do not lie. Since the "team player" is gone not one other WR or Te has been able to score one single TD.

[HairOnFire]

Numbers do not lie. Since the "team player" is gone not one other WR or Te has been able to score one single TD.

Dead wrong.

Because everyone knows, if it's Brown....Foschi it down.

Ba-dink-bonk.

[BengalByTheBay]

Wow - this debate is so stupid it makes me feel like I woke up in the offseason. The hysterical one does have a point in that Coles has underperformed and had too many drops. The hysterical one is somehow equating this to Chris Henry's departure, but I believe Coles has played significantly better since slim went down. Finally, the hysterical one spends a lot of time talking about how great slim is, but that is completely irrelevant to what this team is, or should be, doing now. Sure, they miss him some, but his production was not that awesome that it's absence makes that big a difference. Slim is dead, long live the slim.

From where I sit, none of the receivers is consistently setting it on fire. There have been drops pretty much all around, although Coles has had some doozies. Part of the blame goes to CP as well, part to the o line, and part to play calling. Coles could play better, but to say "he's killing us" and we would be 11-0 without him is wicked stupid.

[FransonBoomer]

Wow - this debate is so stupid it makes me feel like I woke up in the offseason. The hysterical one does have a point in that Coles has underperformed and had too many drops. The hysterical one is somehow equating this to Chris Henry's departure, but I believe Coles has played significantly better since slim went down. Finally, the hysterical one spends a lot of time talking about how great slim is, but that is completely irrelevant to what this team is, or should be, doing now. Sure, they miss him some, but his production was not that awesome that it's absence makes that big a difference. Slim is dead, long live the slim.

From where I sit, none of the receivers is consistently setting it on fire. There have been drops pretty much all around, although Coles has had some doozies. Part of the blame goes to CP as well, part to the o line, and part to play calling. Coles could play better, but to say "he's killing us" and we would be 11-0 without him is wicked stupid.

Keep lying to yourself son.