JoePong Posted November 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 So in short what Joe P is trying to say is NFC teams don't count when we play them and when "The Team" wins a game against a AFC team it shouldn't count as a win because the offense and defense are to different parts all together And that the Prong Miester would be happier if we were 1-8 and scoring 30. PPG. I understand now JoeWhat the hell are you talking about???The point is, the better our offense plays, the better chance we have to win. If they don't play well, we have less chance to win. That's how it is. In case you didn't notice, football is a TEAM sport. Offense, defense, and special teams all matter. If one component isn't performing well, it lessens your chance to win.Are you seriously going to argue that? If you are, then you really are not very smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 What exactly do you expect from Palmer, Joe? He's already led 3 game winning drives in the final two minutes (4 if you count the Denver game), led three consecutive scoring drives to open the second game against the Ravens, lit up the Bears, and played great ball control offense against the Steelers last week. As a matter of fact, he led two last minute drives against Cleveland. One to tie it at the end of regulation and the other to get in field goal position at the end of OT.Of course he's not putting up number like Manning and Brady, but we're playing a different style of offense now. Run first, pass second is the team's philosophy now. Also, until you stop starting threads like "It's time to end the Carson Palmer expirement," you shouldn't be calling anyone an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted November 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 And that the Prong Miester would be happier if we were 1-8 and scoring 30. PPG. I understand now JoeWhen the hell did I say that? Find one thing in anything I have ever posted that even remotely hints at that.And then go back to kindergarten to try to improve your reading comprehension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Some of you guys argue and bicker almost as constantly as RedsBengalsBucks inlaws do. Or so I'm told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted November 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 What exactly do you expect from Palmer, Joe? I expect him to stay healthy, lead this team, make smart decisions, take care of the ball, and lead this team on scoring drives, and win games.He was pretty horrible last year, and wasn't very good at the beginning of this year. I give him credit for playing well now. But I don't give him a free pass when he plays like crap. The same way I am with every other player on this team. I never really wanted to get rid of Palmer. I was just bringing it up to point out the stupid double standard many people on this board have where some players can be criticized and others are untouchable for some reason. If you are going to criticize other players (like trying to run a proven WR like Lavaranues Coles out of town for dropping a couple passes in a game), then don't ignore Palmer making huge mistakes like throwing stupid passes that get returned for TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Some of you guys argue and bicker almost as constantly as RedsBengalsBucks inlaws do. Or so I'm told.For those who are bored with the Battling Bickersons, here's a nice clip from nfl.com:/>http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81454209&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiotter Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 And that the Prong Miester would be happier if we were 1-8 and scoring 30. PPG. I understand now JoeWhen the hell did I say that? Find one thing in anything I have ever posted that even remotely hints at that.And then go back to kindergarten to try to improve your reading comprehension.Well read ur post you stupid ass. First the post line says " the Bengals off has yet to score 17 pts in ""Any" game this year!! And then when you start rambling with the Joe Prong Bull s**t it goes except for nfc teams. You say one thing then say another stupid thing. Blaa Blaa Blaa Blaa I hate Carson Blaa Blaa Blaa!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I will take 17 pts a game as long as our D only gives up 14 or 15 a game. I think last year without Carson and watching the Ravens win with "caretaker" or a rookie last year at QB has finally hit home with the team's management. People like the aerial attack but they like winning games better. And that is the blue print, especially in this division and with the weather we can get late in the year. I'll take it along with the occasional outburst like the Chicago game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthteller Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 truthteller, on 19 November 2009 - 10:03 PM, said:FWIW Cleveland does not have a terrible defense, they just have no offense at all. The point of the offense is to score enough points needed to win the game. If the defense scores for us it lessens the need for the offense to score. It's called situational football. Pittsburgh and the Ravens have been playing it for quite some time, especially under Cowher and Billick. Like stated earlier, the important thing is to score when needed. We have been doing that quite nicely.so, truth be told, you're essentially saying that the team that wins is the one that scores more points than the other, and the team that loses is the one who scores fewer points than the other?wowthat is so deep, man It's not close to what I am saying dips**tz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I think when Pong decides to speak the words just dont come out right lol. I would love to see the offense score more points, i love the defense and the way they are playing, but eventully they might need to rely on the offense. I would just like to see more consistant play out of the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I think when Pong decides to speak the words just dont come out right lol. Yeah, now that you mention it, Pong does strike me as a Jim Croce-type of guy [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqXNeXJG6Q0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I am not negative. I am about the only person on this board who has supported and defended players like Frostee Rucker and Jon Fanene whoall you guys wanted to run out of town, claiming they were busts. I am the guy who talked about how I thought Kyle Cook was going to be really good when you guys were complaining that we didn't go out and waste money on a veteran center whose career is almost over. I have defended chad for years. I was on these boards years ago criticizing the idiots who wanted to run TJ out of town early in his career because he was injured one season. The guy had already proven himself by having over 40+ receptions as our #4 WR in his second season ( I can't remember the last time our #4 WR was that productive by the way). Then, when it actually came time to let him go when he became a cancer, had a negative influence on chad, and helped us to get off to a horrible start last season by refusing to work out with the team during the off-season and training camp, you guys complained that we didn't re-sign him. I said we were better off.True, I was getting frustrated with Carson. It had been a long time since he had played well. I was beginning to doubt if he would ever return to form, and thought his constant string of season-ending injuries were a concern. Heck, he's even injured right now and can't hand off with his left hand.I said for a long time that this offense would not reach its potential with Rudi Johnson as the feature RB because he was too one-dimensional. And I was critical when we took Justin Smith #4 overall. Other than that, I am ususally defending our players against stupid attacks.I was critical ofAre you freaking serious?Constant string of season ending injuries? He had his knee collapsed for him, and had his elbow jacked...2 years apart, over a 6 year career. WTF are you talking about?Are you going to pull an "I told you so..." with Rucker and Fanene? seriously?Your wisdom told us to be patient with Kyle Cook? Even though he had a smashed foot and we had no one who could step up? I guess it would have been dumb to draft Luigs?Your arrogance is staggering. This post is moronic, as it can be summed up in the most simplistic way:Our offense needs to score more, because the more we score the better chance we have of winning.Joe, if our defense keep holding people below 17 points, do you think that would help us win games too?Joe, do you realize we are almost leading the NFL in Time of Possession? So, let's see, our offensive scheme holds the ball and grinds the opposing defense, limiting the time our defense has to be on the field. And when the defense is on the field, they crush the run and stymie the pass. Wow, sounds dreadful. I wish Carson was a bit more accurate on some of his mid-range passes. Other than that, there is very, very little to complain about in good faith.Your bellyaching is overstated and undersupported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted November 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Are you freaking serious?Constant string of season ending injuries? He had his knee collapsed for him, and had his elbow jacked...2 years apart, over a 6 year career. WTF are you talking about?I think your math is off. The fact is, Carson had a season ending knee injury in 2004. He had another season ending knee injury in 2005. He had a season ending elbow injury in 2008. That's 3 season-ending injuries in 5 years that he's played in the NFL. Remember, he didn't even take a snap his rookie year. And now he has an injury know that requires off-season surgery. Oh, and did you forget he missed an entire season at USC due to injury (a broken collarbone)?According to my math, Carson Palmer is about to turn 30, and he has only finished two full seasons (2006 and 2007). To put that in perspective, Ben Roethlisberger who is quite a bit younger, (as much as I hate him), has as many Superbowl rings as carson does finsished seasons. I am not blaming him for that. Some players are just injury prone. Maybe it's just bad luck and things will even out and he'll go the rest of his career without missing time due to injury. Let's hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiotter Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Omg Prong you have got to be the Lame brainest non thinking piece of work that has ever posted on the BZ. "KW" replies to your post saying CP has had season ending injuries and you come right back saying he is wrong and then say the same thing he does. What a stupid "F**K" you totally are, plus you then have to go down on Big Ben in front of all of us. But we are used to your trollish antics so I hope you wiped it all off before you make another troll post here on the BZ....you D**khead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 (((shrug))) I'm looking forward to the Bengals winning a playoff game by a 2-0 score. In overtime.That would be one heart wrenching game to watch, but I would love the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Omg Prong you have got to be the Lame brainest non thinking piece of work that has ever posted on the BZ. "KW" replies to your post saying CP has had season ending injuries and you come right back saying he is wrong and then say the same thing he does. What a stupid "F**K" you totally are, plus you then have to go down on Big Ben in front of all of us. But we are used to your trollish antics so I hope you wiped it all off before you make another troll post here on the BZ....you D**khead.Take it easy there turbo. He's not very popular around here because he's a deadly combination of arrogant and dimwitted... but no reason to go off getting yourself warned by the mods for over zealous posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Are you freaking serious?Constant string of season ending injuries? He had his knee collapsed for him, and had his elbow jacked...2 years apart, over a 6 year career. WTF are you talking about?I think your math is off. The fact is, Carson had a season ending knee injury in 2004. He had another season ending knee injury in 2005. He had a season ending elbow injury in 2008. That's 3 season-ending injuries in 5 years that he's played in the NFL. Remember, he didn't even take a snap his rookie year. And now he has an injury know that requires off-season surgery. Oh, and did you forget he missed an entire season at USC due to injury (a broken collarbone)?According to my math, Carson Palmer is about to turn 30, and he has only finished two full seasons (2006 and 2007). To put that in perspective, Ben Roethlisberger who is quite a bit younger, (as much as I hate him), has as many Superbowl rings as carson does finsished seasons. I am not blaming him for that. Some players are just injury prone. Maybe it's just bad luck and things will even out and he'll go the rest of his career without missing time due to injury. Let's hope so.your assessment is still faulty. The knee injury in 2004 ended his "season" as there were only 3 games left. It was hardly a "season" ending injury, in the overall sense. Mentioning how he did not take a snap his rookie year is important why? Was it due to injury?Mentioning his broken collar-bone at USC is important why? Does that outweigh the rest of his collage career?He finished 13 of 16 games in 04, 16 of 16 (obviously missing the rest of the playoff game) in 05, 32 of 32 from 06-07, and only 4 games in 08. By my count, that is 65 of 80 games. Add this year making it 74 of 89 games, roughly 83% of the games in that stretch.Your argument does not hold water. He is not injury "prone", as to imply he is fragile or unable to avoid injury. Donovan McNabb has played in 138 of 160 games, excluding the playoffs. That about 86%. Is he injury "prone" by your standards?Even with this, you still do not recognize that your posts have reach a Theisman-esque level of observing the obvious and shrouding it in negative hogwash.Our offense needs to score more, because the more we score the better chance we have of winning.There is nothing really left to complain about the defense, so might as well bang on something. the offense.How about observing water is wet and fire is hot? Breaking news I'm sure.Mods, Please award captain Joe "obvious" Pong a gold star for his insightful effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 Mods, Please award captain Joe "obvious" Pong a gold star for his insightful effort.We don't have those. We do have some hats though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted November 21, 2009 Report Share Posted November 21, 2009 I expect him to stay healthy, lead this team, make smart decisions, take care of the ball, and lead this team on scoring drives, and win games.And he's doing that. So what's the point of this thread?I never really wanted to get rid of Palmer. I was just bringing it up to point out the stupid double standard many people on this board have where some players can be criticized and others are untouchable for some reason. If you are going to criticize other players (like trying to run a proven WR like Lavaranues Coles out of town for dropping a couple passes in a game), then don't ignore Palmer making huge mistakes like throwing stupid passes that get returned for TDs.Nobody said you couldn't criticize him. Calling for the team to cut him is something else entirely. The bottom line is this. He's done what we've needed him to do this year to win and THAT's what matters. This is a ball-control offense now, not the offense of '05. 17 points a game is probably all we'll need to win down the stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiotter Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Omg Prong you have got to be the Lame brainest non thinking piece of work that has ever posted on the BZ. "KW" replies to your post saying CP has had season ending injuries and you come right back saying he is wrong and then say the same thing he does. What a stupid "F**K" you totally are, plus you then have to go down on Big Ben in front of all of us. But we are used to your trollish antics so I hope you wiped it all off before you make another troll post here on the BZ....you D**khead.Take it easy there turbo. He's not very popular around here because he's a deadly combination of arrogant and dimwitted... but no reason to go off getting yourself warned by the mods for over zealous posting.Your right i got carried away....being on the road 3 weeks will do that to me sometimes..you guys give me a smack in the kisser sometimes and keep my feet on the ground sorry guys!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Omg Prong you have got to be the Lame brainest non thinking piece of work that has ever posted on the BZ. "KW" replies to your post saying CP has had season ending injuries and you come right back saying he is wrong and then say the same thing he does. What a stupid "F**K" you totally are, plus you then have to go down on Big Ben in front of all of us. But we are used to your trollish antics so I hope you wiped it all off before you make another troll post here on the BZ....you D**khead.Take it easy there turbo. He's not very popular around here because he's a deadly combination of arrogant and dimwitted... but no reason to go off getting yourself warned by the mods for over zealous posting.Your right i got carried away....being on the road 3 weeks will do that to me sometimes..you guys give me a smack in the kisser sometimes and keep my feet on the ground sorry guys!!!!You are not the first, and will not be the last poster that Joe has given a case of temporary insanity to. I think all of us here, for any amount of time, have gone off the deep end on a post now and then. no worries Semi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Offense is way to inconsitant to be any good. They have all this talent, but yet are afraid to be any good. They need to figure something out, because it showed today the defense is not always going to win the game for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted November 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Gee, you think????Didn't get to watch the game today, but this is not a surprise by any means. The offense, as usual could not put points on the board. It's something different every week, by someway, somehow, they will fail to break 17 points.Stupid people, of course, keep telling me all throughout this thread that it doesn't matter that our offense doesn't score. Well, maybe now you will start taking it seriously and realize that something has to improve drastically if we want to have any success in the playoffs.I realized there was a problem even when we were winning games. Stupid people have to suffer a loss to in order to learn a lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted November 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 By the way, in addition to our offense not scoring more than 17 points in any game against an AFC opponent this season, we are now winless against AFC teams outside our division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 I didn't realize that games in the AFC outside the division were the only ones that count. That is cause for concern! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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