Draft Conversation

[SupaBran]

Balt may very well go for Cody, if they continue to neglect their secondary. Suh is the guy next yr though. Top 5.

As for Gresham, he's as good a blocker as any in CFB. Will need some work but would be good to go right away in run blocking etc. I just don't know if we'll go for him. I doubt we will actually.

I think the Pats will draft Cody...I'm not sold that they will resign Vince Wilfork! Def. agree with you about Suh! Easily a Top 3, maybe the best player in the draft, even though IMO Jimmy Clausen will be the #1 overall pick by St. Louis! That dude is sick! I hope the Clowns don't get a shot at him!

I'm not saying Gresham is first on my Big Board, but I wouldn't mind drafting him or a RB like Spiller or Jahvid Best to compliment CedBen!

Like we've stated b4, I would love to have either of the Top 2 safeties or DT's, but that just ain't reality!

[Pidge]

Spiller just destroyed us last night. The kind of player the Canes would hoover up in the good old days. He grew up in Miami FFS! Speed kills.

The Pats would be crazy not to re-sign Wilpoke, imo. I think they do. They dump Adalius this offseason though.

Our secondary needs help, everyone fit or not, at the safety positions. Plus we need CB depth. I'd rather get those guys in the draft so they can be drilled in Zimmer's defense. A blank slate, as it were. After that, it depends on how our FA signings/losses go I guess. TE, D-line, LB, O-line all areas to address.

[SupaBran]

Spiller just destroyed us last night. The kind of player the Canes would hoover up in the good old days. He grew up in Miami FFS! Speed kills.

The Pats would be crazy not to re-sign Wilpoke, imo. I think they do. They dump Adalius this offseason though.

Our secondary needs help, everyone fit or not, at the safety positions. Plus we need CB depth. I'd rather get those guys in the draft so they can be drilled in Zimmer's defense. A blank slate, as it were. After that, it depends on how our FA signings/losses go I guess. TE, D-line, LB, O-line all areas to address.

You might have just ended the thread b/c I absolutely agree with everything you said...so I have nothing left to say to keep this thread alive!

[Pidge]

Heh, well this thread will no doubt be revived throughout the season from time to time and the offseason should see this bitch grow to at least 20 pages.

[Kazkal]

Balt may very well go for Cody, if they continue to neglect their secondary. Suh is the guy next yr though. Top 5.

As for Gresham, he's as good a blocker as any in CFB. Will need some work but would be good to go right away in run blocking etc. I just don't know if we'll go for him. I doubt we will actually.

I think the Pats will draft Cody...I'm not sold that they will resign Vince Wilfork! Def. agree with you about Suh! Easily a Top 3, maybe the best player in the draft, even though IMO Jimmy Clausen will be the #1 overall pick by St. Louis! That dude is sick! I hope the Clowns don't get a shot at him!

I'm not saying Gresham is first on my Big Board, but I wouldn't mind drafting him or a RB like Spiller or Jahvid Best to compliment CedBen!

Like we've stated b4, I would love to have either of the Top 2 safeties or DT's, but that just ain't reality!

Didn't the patriots draft wilforks replacement this year?

[Kazkal]

Balt may very well go for Cody, if they continue to neglect their secondary. Suh is the guy next yr though. Top 5.

As for Gresham, he's as good a blocker as any in CFB. Will need some work but would be good to go right away in run blocking etc. I just don't know if we'll go for him. I doubt we will actually.

I think the Pats will draft Cody...I'm not sold that they will resign Vince Wilfork! Def. agree with you about Suh! Easily a Top 3, maybe the best player in the draft, even though IMO Jimmy Clausen will be the #1 overall pick by St. Louis! That dude is sick! I hope the Clowns don't get a shot at him!

I'm not saying Gresham is first on my Big Board, but I wouldn't mind drafting him or a RB like Spiller or Jahvid Best to compliment CedBen!

Like we've stated b4, I would love to have either of the Top 2 safeties or DT's, but that just ain't reality!

Didn't the patriots draft wilforks replacement this year?

[SupaBran]

Balt may very well go for Cody, if they continue to neglect their secondary. Suh is the guy next yr though. Top 5.

As for Gresham, he's as good a blocker as any in CFB. Will need some work but would be good to go right away in run blocking etc. I just don't know if we'll go for him. I doubt we will actually.

I think the Pats will draft Cody...I'm not sold that they will resign Vince Wilfork! Def. agree with you about Suh! Easily a Top 3, maybe the best player in the draft, even though IMO Jimmy Clausen will be the #1 overall pick by St. Louis! That dude is sick! I hope the Clowns don't get a shot at him!

I'm not saying Gresham is first on my Big Board, but I wouldn't mind drafting him or a RB like Spiller or Jahvid Best to compliment CedBen!

Like we've stated b4, I would love to have either of the Top 2 safeties or DT's, but that just ain't reality!

Didn't the patriots draft wilforks replacement this year?

Yeah, they drafted Ron Brace outta Boston College in the 2nd round.

[Pidge]

Balt may very well go for Cody, if they continue to neglect their secondary. Suh is the guy next yr though. Top 5.

As for Gresham, he's as good a blocker as any in CFB. Will need some work but would be good to go right away in run blocking etc. I just don't know if we'll go for him. I doubt we will actually.

I think the Pats will draft Cody...I'm not sold that they will resign Vince Wilfork! Def. agree with you about Suh! Easily a Top 3, maybe the best player in the draft, even though IMO Jimmy Clausen will be the #1 overall pick by St. Louis! That dude is sick! I hope the Clowns don't get a shot at him!

I'm not saying Gresham is first on my Big Board, but I wouldn't mind drafting him or a RB like Spiller or Jahvid Best to compliment CedBen!

Like we've stated b4, I would love to have either of the Top 2 safeties or DT's, but that just ain't reality!

Didn't the patriots draft wilforks replacement this year?

They drafted a DT but no way he replaces Wilpoke. I know the Pats and their usual letting guys go when they're older etc. Wilfork will be 28 in Nov and is still producing. He gets one more contract out of the Pats.

[BlainThePain]

If we stay on course for the season, we should be drafting really low in the first round. If so, I think there is a very good chance we'll draft Mike Iupati, a guard from Idaho. He is by far the best guard in the draft, and he's 6'5" 330 pounds. This guy is a dominating run and pass blocker, and even though he weighs 330 lbs., he moves like he's 280. Plus he's Somoan which means he's naturally good at football. He would be the perfect replacement for Bobbie Williams, and putting Iupati next to Andre Smith could open us some scary holes for Ced for years to come.

[SupaBran]

I don't know who that is but the way you describe makes me feel like he won't be there!

[Kazkal]

They drafted a DT but no way he replaces Wilpoke. I know the Pats and their usual letting guys go when they're older etc. Wilfork will be 28 in Nov and is still producing. He gets one more contract out of the Pats.

Depends,If they don't want to pay him which will probably be the case if they feel ron can replace him...Wilfork more then likely is going to get a very very large deal with all the teams going 3-4.

[SupaBran]

They drafted a DT but no way he replaces Wilpoke. I know the Pats and their usual letting guys go when they're older etc. Wilfork will be 28 in Nov and is still producing. He gets one more contract out of the Pats.

Depends,If they don't want to pay him which will probably be the case if they feel ron can replace him...Wilfork more then likely is going to get a very very large deal with all the teams going 3-4.

Agreed! I think they traded Richard "Dick" Seymour to the Raiders b/c they don't pay people big money, but I would be surprised if they just let Wilfork walk! But if they resign Wilfork, Ron Brace would have been a wasted pick!

[ArmyBengal]

I threw this in with the other draft conversation...

[BlainThePain]

Balt may very well go for Cody, if they continue to neglect their secondary. Suh is the guy next yr though. Top 5.

As for Gresham, he's as good a blocker as any in CFB. Will need some work but would be good to go right away in run blocking etc. I just don't know if we'll go for him. I doubt we will actually.

Its all going to come down to if Utecht can come back from his injury or not, and I have a feeling that he's done. If Utecht isn't back next year, tight end could be a top need.

[SupaBran]

Balt may very well go for Cody, if they continue to neglect their secondary. Suh is the guy next yr though. Top 5.

As for Gresham, he's as good a blocker as any in CFB. Will need some work but would be good to go right away in run blocking etc. I just don't know if we'll go for him. I doubt we will actually.

Its all going to come down to if Utecht can come back from his injury or not, and I have a feeling that he's done. If Utecht isn't back next year, tight end could be a top need.

I just don't like Utecht. I never have and I probably never will! I had hopes he would come from Indy and play like Dallas Clark, which was extremely unreasonable, but I lost all respect for him last year b4 he got hurt, again, when he short armed a catch over the middle b/c he was scared of getting hit! He's Mr. Glass with his p***y country singer gay self! Gawd, I hope he doesn't come back!

[SupaBran]

Anywho, I have some inside knowledge that Major Wright is leaving after this year! I don't think he should but if he gets info. that he'll be the 3rd safety off the board then he should go, but I just don't think he's been that much of an impact as his talent would suggest he should be

[Pidge]

Balt may very well go for Cody, if they continue to neglect their secondary. Suh is the guy next yr though. Top 5.

As for Gresham, he's as good a blocker as any in CFB. Will need some work but would be good to go right away in run blocking etc. I just don't know if we'll go for him. I doubt we will actually.

Its all going to come down to if Utecht can come back from his injury or not, and I have a feeling that he's done. If Utecht isn't back next year, tight end could be a top need.

Indeed. A foot injury is one thing but a concussion that puts you out for the yr, best to start planning for a future without him, whether or not that plan needs to be put into action remains to be seen.

[Pidge]

Major Wright in the second? I dunno if I'd go with that, would he even be the BPA at that point?. He could help contribute for sure but his second yr would really be when he starts paying dividends.

If anyone from the Bengals is reading this - please stay away from all Miami DBs. The sorriest group of skidmarks to ever infest our secondary. Hurry up and mature Freshmen.

[SupaBran]

Major Wright in the second? I dunno if I'd go with that, would he even be the BPA at that point?. He could help contribute for sure but his second yr would really be when he starts paying dividends.

If anyone from the Bengals is reading this - please stay away from all Miami DBs. The sorriest group of skidmarks to ever infest our secondary. Hurry up and mature Freshmen.

Who said Major would be there in the 2nd? I think we are one real young difference making safety away from having an elite defense but I don't believe Mr. Wright is the right choice...

I think we are set at corner, as long as we keep everyone we have! I think Morgan Trent has solidified that nickel spot, IMO!

I think we will eventually need the third head to our linebacker core, but we can't go linebacker this early again, we have bigger needs!

I think our 1st round pick will/should be a DT. I like Tank, tho! It's weird but he's kinda a leader! . I know we have a lot invested in our Def. ends and I think MJ will be a beast but Rob Geathers just shouldn't be making the kinda money he's making! I like him, but he is at his best a pass rush specialist! Until something changes with our Def. ends, there's no way they draft a def. end in the first two rounds!

Maybe this is the year for a luxury pick like a RB like Spiller or Jahvid Best but the more I think about it, it makes the most sense and fits perfectly...the Cincinnati Bengals select...Jermaine Gresham! I know I've already said this but I'm gonna keep plugging this! I would say guard but you can get good guards in the 2nd and 3rd even the 4th rounds!

[redsbengalsbucks]

My only draft request is, please no Tim Tebow unless it is in the third at the earliest. He reminds me of Andre Ware to much. He could have a roll in the wildcat for many teams, but is not worth, IMO, anything more than a flyer for the Bengals.

[Pidge]

My only draft request is, please no Tim Tebow unless it is in the third at the earliest. He reminds me of Andre Ware to much. He could have a roll in the wildcat for many teams, but is not worth, IMO, anything more than a flyer for the Bengals.

The third? That's still kinda high for my tastes. Absolute beasts at FB can go there though I suppose. Maybe he could be our TE project for next yr?

Also Supa, I have been happy with the production we have out of Trent and it might change the urgency of the pick but I'd still like us to take a CB somewhere in the draft. If Trent continues to develop then obviously a top 3 rnd pick wouldn't be a necessity.

Important to start thinking about extending JJoe and maybe even Leon this early in his contract in the offseason.

[SupaBran]

My only draft request is, please no Tim Tebow unless it is in the third at the earliest. He reminds me of Andre Ware to much. He could have a roll in the wildcat for many teams, but is not worth, IMO, anything more than a flyer for the Bengals.

The third? That's still kinda high for my tastes. Absolute beasts at FB can go there though I suppose. Maybe he could be our TE project for next yr?

Also Supa, I have been happy with the production we have out of Trent and it might change the urgency of the pick but I'd still like us to take a CB somewhere in the draft. If Trent continues to develop then obviously a top 3 rnd pick wouldn't be a necessity.

Important to start thinking about extending JJoe and maybe even Leon this early in his contract in the offseason.

I agree, its time for their extensions before they get more expensive! I wouldn't mind another CB, but like you said, with Trent coming on like he is, its not a huge need and we def. shouldn't use rounds 1 thru 3 on it!

Can you see us drafting Tebow? I can't! But then again I didn't see us trying to sign Michael Vick either! I know I'm biased, how can I not be? Tebow is my hero! . He's not a great thrower but I just wouldn't count him outta anything!

[Kazkal]

Important to start thinking about extending JJoe and maybe even Leon this early in his contract in the offseason.

Ya Jjoe is one of the players who needs be extended in the offseason IMO he'll have one year left at that point and you wanna get him before he get's even more $$$$

Evan Mathis,Brandon Johnson & Denis Rolland also need be on high priority for extensions then tank johnson/roy depending on how they like our position in the draft

[ArmyBengal]

Ok it's bye week, so I wanted to take a little closer look at where we are:

Quarterback

Carson isn't going anywhere and O'Sullivan is here through next year, but little bro is an exclusive rights free agent after this year. Honestly, I would like to see them draft a QB at some point (round 5 or later) they feel they can take some time developing behind Carson. They don't have a QB on the practice squad, so I would prefer going to the draft on this one and upgrade Jordan's spot.

Running Back

Benson and Leonard are here through next year, but I could see them extending Benson sooner rather than later, maybe adding a couple more years on his current deal. Scott isn't going anywhere and they still have James Johnson on the practice squad. With that thought in mind, I don't really think they will go RB early, if at all in the draft. Maybe the following year it will be a greater need.

Wide Receiver

This spot could go a bunch of different ways. I'll start by saying when Chatman comes off of IR, he needs to go. I mean just move on already. Henry will be a free agent after this year and both Chad and Coles will be going on 32. If they don't bring Henry back, they better make d*mn sure Simpson is ready to go, but I really don't see that being the case. Caldwell is doing great, we have Cosby that gets no playing time outside of returns and we have Purify on the practice roster. If Henry is back, I really don't see us drafting a WR at all, because where would they go ?? There are only so many spots and unless something happens to Chad or Coles, there's no playing time. It's not that I wouldn't want another WR, but just don't see it with the way they are set up right now.

Tight End

Currently a HUGE need for this team and something that would make this offense lethal. I'm not a fan of either Coats or Foshci long term with Coats a RFA after this year. Kelly may not return, as he's a free agent after this year as well and will be 33. Utecht is not someone I'm counting on at all, as I don't think he will come back after that last injury and then we have Coffman. We have Darius Hill on the practice squad and Sherry on IR, but this has to be a spot they will be looking at early in the draft (rounds 1-3) and any of those rounds wouldn't surprise me or upset me.

O-line

I was going to do each position, but I'll lump them all in together. The guard position should be the priority of the line looking at the draft. I think Whitworth stays at the LT spot and then you are looking at a 33 year old Bobbie Williams who's a free agent after this season. You also have Kooistra and Livings who are FA and RFA. This is also a spot I see as one that will be looked at early in the draft (rounds 2-3). I'm pretty pleased with the OT position and the depth there, but feel getting Roland resigned is a priority, as he's a RFA after this season. Cook is also another priority for this line and maybe the most important part of getting extensions taken care of as he's a RFA after this season as well. Shirley and Santucci are a complete mystery and unknown factors.

D-line

I don't know exactly what to think about Geathers and then Odom will be back, but both are question marks at this time. Enough to spend a high draft pick at the position ?? I don't think so, but it really wouldn't surprise me either. I think Michael Johnson will continue to improve and you can already see the pressure he puts on the QB. Fanene is here for another year, but I don't see them doing much with him until they have to and Rucker is a FA after this season. I really wish he could stay healthy, because when he is, he does very well. Peko and Sims are going anywhere, but Tank is up after this season. If they bring Tank back, I don't know they go DT at all and don't think they will be in position to take one of the dominant DT's anyway.

LineBackers

Both Johnson and Jeanty are FA's after this season and if the thought is moving Rey to the middle, this also has to be a position taken to add the final piece to the LB corps. I really want to see Johnson brought back and Jeanty does provide nice depth being strong against the run. In the middle, Dhani still has another year, but will be 32 and has his moments. His leadership might be the best thing he brings to the table next season and will be needed for depth with only Hodge left who will be a FA after this season as well. I really would love to see a fast OLB who can provide that pass rush from the outside as well as being able to drop into coverage.

Secondary

Extend JJoe now and yeah, go ahead and start looking at Hall while they are at it even though we have him for 2 more seasons after this one. Trent is coming on, so he might keep us from looking for the 3rd cornerback and they also have Rico Murray and Pope on the practice squad. I'm not advocating the practice squad guys as starters, simply acknowledging their presence. David Jones is a RFA after this season as well. Does Roy come back for next year at safety and does it really matter ?? I want to see him back because I think he brings an attitude with him, but he has to get healthy. I like Crocker and Ndukwe, but there has to be improvements out there. I look at the safety position as I do the TE position for the offense in that I can see a dominant safety being a HUGE difference for this defense.

Special Teams

Huber is great and I'm not sure Shayne will be back or not. I'm finally to the point I feel the team may decide to go in another direction, but I can't say as I would be either for it or against it.

There are also a ton of other considerations, with other teams free agents that will change this up, but that is what I'm looking at for now.

[Pidge]

I agree, its time for their extensions before they get more expensive! I wouldn't mind another CB, but like you said, with Trent coming on like he is, its not a huge need and we def. shouldn't use rounds 1 thru 3 on it!

Can you see us drafting Tebow? I can't! But then again I didn't see us trying to sign Michael Vick either! I know I'm biased, how can I not be? Tebow is my hero! . He's not a great thrower but I just wouldn't count him outta anything!

Hey man, why not love Tebow. Great player for Florida. I wouldn't be all that pissed if we ended up with Tebow myself. Just depends which rnd we'd pick him at. Who knows, maybe Miami have a good look at Henne and decide he's not the guy they need if they are committed to the wildcat for yrs to come. I mean, he's a good QB. Get him WRs and I think he could get them competitive in the AFCE but anyways....

They went for Pat White so I guess they wouldn't go for Tebow. He'd be a great fit there though if he really wants to stay at QB.