bwillycuse Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 But yet you support Bernard Scott.and so you tip your ignoranceBernard Scott is a different person that Chris Henry. Go do your research. Clearly, you have done none yet.Yeah - Henrys problems started when he got a little money. Scotts been punching coaches and others since high school.I just thought you were being overly harsh to green(unprovoked as well) but I guess thats how this forum rolls. As a regular reader of this forum - I was taken aback by your attack but I guess I dont know your personal histories. Maybe take it to PMs to spare us your personal issues with each other.btw - Im excited for Scott as well. See, I really dont care what kind of people these players are. Slim is a POS idiot. But all indications is he is working it out. Something I think Scott has done as well.Teach me your ways oh wise one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 With Henry it all comes down to whether or not he'll get alligator arms when he extends his body and might take a hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Yeah - Henrys problems started when he got a little money. Scotts been punching coaches and others since high school.You are very misinformed about both individualsGo find out about Cheech's time at WV. Dig a little more about Bernard. The two are in no way comparable, *particularly* when one considers what they have done as Bengals - one has been a solid citizen, the other - not so muchI just thought you were being overly harsh to green(unprovoked as well) but I guess thats how this forum rolls. As a regular reader of this forum - I was taken aback by your attack but I guess I dont know your personal histories. Maybe take it to PMs to spare us your personal issues with each other.Nah. When he decides to spout his idiocy via PM, I will respond with a PM. When he spews publicly, he can expect to be beaten down publicly.Further, any "regular reader of this forum" would know quite well how much of a moron agreen is, so no, you're not a regular reader. Sorry.btw - Im excited for Scott as well. See, I really dont care what kind of people these players are. We differ in that respect. I do care. Next time a loaded gun is waved at you, or you have a underage daughter drugged up, or a beer bottle bounded off your head, make sure you remember that you don't mind any of these sorts of actions, OK? Slim is a POS idiot.We agree on that, at least.But all indications is he is working it out. Something I think Scott has done as well.A few months with no arrests is better that it has been, but that is not saying much. When he is on the team, I expect him to crack at any moment, based on past history. I do not consider him reliable. I will be happy to be wrong about this one. Oh, and a few catches in preseason versus 2nd and 3rd string opposition does not prove much to me either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwillycuse Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 I do read these forums every single day.I just skip the long arguments. Thats when the reading becomes a chore. So I know you two dont get along. I disagree with green on a lot of things as well.Both players have had their degrees of ridiculousness.So, do you think Henry deserves even a roster spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Yeah - Henrys problems started when he got a little money. Scotts been punching coaches and others since high school.You are very misinformed about both individualsGo find out about Cheech's time at WV. Dig a little more about Bernard. The two are in no way comparable, *particularly* when one considers what they have done as Bengals - one has been a solid citizen, the other - not so muchI disagree with Green as much as (almost) anyone here, but I think you're guilty of splitting hairs on this one. That Scott had trouble with the law is undeniable. There's clearly a parallel there. You can hardly compare Scott's arrest free training camp with Henry's 4 years in and out of the league. You seem to think Scott's figured it out earlier and I, and I'm guessing every member of this forum, hope you're right. You can't say the two are all that different because at this point in his career Henry wasn't in trouble and had a checkered past. Scott's not in trouble and has a checkered past. Hopefully, Henry will serve as an object lesson that Scott can learn from, but we don't know that for certain yet. By the same toke, hopefully Henry has figured it out and will stay out of trouble, but we can't know that for certain either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Not really BbtB....1) the person I am responding to said Chris was not a problem prior to getting ahold of money, which is not true - his checkered past was well known at the time of the draft, or he'd have been a top 10 pick instead of a third rounder2) the person I am responding to has not really checked Bernard's history - much of his reputation is just that - reputation - appearance rather than fact. 3) there is a wide degree of difference between someone who has a demonstrated, well documented history of legal troubles as a Bengal, and one who has not. Saying that Chris had not gotten into trouble yet may be all well and good, but we have to look at the entire body of evidence here, and Chris's time as aa bengal has been horrendous to put it mildly, while Bernard has been a solid citizen and we (other than MomsLikeMe.com, who apparently likes to see players fail, get injured, etc) should not be assuming in advance that things willl eventually go awry.4) There's another difference - special teams. Bernard is workmanlike - he's a backup, and he plays special teams, like any backup should. Cheech has never once played special teams that I know of....Oh, btw -- do we really have to keep looking at your kid's junk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baraka Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 i see slim and scott as being very similar. chris got in trouble at wvu for flicking off the fans, he was kicked out of the game. he was never in trouble with the law as far as i recall. secondly, i they are nearly the same age, it took bernard a while to get his head right same with slim it seems. even though scott doesn't have convictions it's too much of a coincidence that he was constantly implicated. i certainly don't want either to get into trouble but dismissing their similarities to save face is quasi-dishonest. here's to hoping this discussion is moot and niether appear on the police blotter again. both are crucial to the teams success on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 dismissing their similarities to save face is quasi-dishonestuhm - I am dismissing their supposed similarities because those who are finding them similar are only able to do so by dismissing something else - Cheech's behavior since he has been a Bengal. And you simply can't dismiss it. This is not unlike some homer fan talking about a 30 carry, 200 yard rushing day by the other team saying "the run defense was pretty good as long as you dont count the two 50+yard runs". Yeah, so if you dismiss 100+ yards of rushing by the opposition, sure, 28 carries for 100 yards thats under 4 yards a pop, not too bad.....that rush defense looks a whole lot better when you ignore those two big plays! But no - you can't ignore the two big plays. They happened. They're on the books. Henry's behavior as a Bengal is on the books - you simply cannot dismiss itSo - no dishonesty, no need to 'save face' here - if Bernard demonstrates less than civil behavior off the field, I will be among the first in line to decry it. He will (if that happens) have lied to me, and to the Cincinnati fans.here's to hoping this discussion is moot and niether appear on the police blotter again.On this, we certainly agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baraka Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Cheech's behavior since he has been a Bengal. And you simply can't dismiss it. true enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Not really BbtB....1) the person I am responding to said Chris was not a problem prior to getting ahold of money, which is not true - his checkered past was well known at the time of the draft, or he'd have been a top 10 pick instead of a third rounder2) the person I am responding to has not really checked Bernard's history - much of his reputation is just that - reputation - appearance rather than fact. 3) there is a wide degree of difference between someone who has a demonstrated, well documented history of legal troubles as a Bengal, and one who has not. Saying that Chris had not gotten into trouble yet may be all well and good, but we have to look at the entire body of evidence here, and Chris's time as aa bengal has been horrendous to put it mildly, while Bernard has been a solid citizen and we (other than MomsLikeMe.com, who apparently likes to see players fail, get injured, etc) should not be assuming in advance that things willl eventually go awry.4) There's another difference - special teams. Bernard is workmanlike - he's a backup, and he plays special teams, like any backup should. Cheech has never once played special teams that I know of....Oh, btw -- do we really have to keep looking at your kid's junk?Well, again, you're comparing them at different points in their career. Before he played a regular season game for the Bengals, almost everything that you have said about Scott could've been accurately said about Henry. If Scott is clean a year from now, as we all hope, then your premonition will have proven correct. But it's not too much of a stretch to say they're tied as of now. Saying that Chris had not gotten into trouble yet (ie, before playing a regular season game for the Bengals) isn't only well and good, it was true. You continue to want to compare what is, in NFL terms, a veteran with a rookie isn't a fair comparison. And to suggest that there weren't very significant questions about Scott on draft day is ignoring reality. I agree that Henry had problems both before and after he got ahold of of the cash, so no dispute there. As for special teams, that's probably more a reflection of body build than anything else. Chris Henry isn't gonna be busting a wedge or returning kickoffs anytime soon I would guess.Finally, about the kid's junk, you're the only one who seems to have a problem here. What's that about? He's a chillin' little dude, let him be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 My take? Chris Henry will NEVER be considered any teams #2 wideout. Granted, he may catch more balls than Coles, and he may score more TD's than Chad, but whenever the coaches get together to discuss how to build and grow THIS team Henry will always be limited to a complimentary role....simply because he can't be trusted in big and small ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 My take? Chris Henry will NEVER be considered any teams #2 wideout. Granted, he may catch more balls than Coles, and he may score more TD's than Chad, but whenever the coaches get together to discuss how to build and grow THIS team Henry will always be limited to a complimentary role....simply because he can't be trusted in big and small ways.Pretty fair comment. It'll certainly take more than one good season to be seen as the guy you pin a large chunk of the entire organization's hopes on. More like 3 or 4 more yrs after that (if he's even here that long) of good play and not a single parking ticket each and every offseason. He's got his 18th chance but that only means there is more pressure on him to cleaner than a preacher's sheets for the rest of his career in reality. Tough thing to do but that's what happens when you constantly and regularly f**k up over and over for a period of yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted September 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 As far as I see it, I'm 2/3 on the big topics. Thurman's gone, I was wrong about him. But Chris Henry and Esteban OchoCinco are both still here. I'm happy with that. The only ones who look like idiots are those who bash our players, not me. Show some support for your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Show some support for your team.Show some intelligence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/11 Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 one trick pony? yikes. the guy has sick talent- this is his first year doing off-season workouts and from what i've seen, it has paid huge dividends. b/c we have coles and chad, we won't need slim to run the intermediate wheels and hook-ins, but what slim does, he does very very well. streak man. the few days i spent at camp, i saw his footwork greatly improved and his cuts were crisp (couldn't say that before this year).i'm not sayin he's randy 2.0, but imo, slim is lightyears ahead of where he's been in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 "Tackle him, Slim" --- Bratkowski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 "Tackle him, Slim" --- BratkowskiYep. People even started riding the player formerly known as Chad Dingdong for that, even before he turned bat s**t insane a while back. Slim stands no chance, zero, nadda, if he keeps on pulling that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 "Tackle him, Slim" --- BratkowskiYep. People even started riding the player formerly known as Chad Dingdong for that, even before he turned bat s**t insane a while back. Slim stands no chance, zero, nadda, if he keeps on pulling that stuff. I loved the way Lewis called Henry out, along with several others, when delivering a fairly blistering recap of why they lost to the Rams. The guy has all the talent in the world, but it's exactly this kind of stuff that prompted my remarks about how he can't be trusted in big ways and small....and Lewis's remark about how Henry isn't a smart football player. Meanwhile, after only three games in stripes, we've seen multiple examples of Coles busting his butt trying to make a TD saving tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 I loved the way Lewis called Henry out, along with several others, when delivering a fairly blistering recap of why they lost to the Rams. The guy has all the talent in the world, but it's exactly this kind of stuff that prompted my remarks about how he can't be trusted in big ways and small....and Lewis's remark about how Henry isn't a smart football player. Meanwhile, after only three games in stripes, we've seen multiple examples of Coles busting his butt trying to make a TD saving tackle.Am I the only one surprised that Marvin chews them out so much for losing an exhibition game? I'm OK with it but I was never sure how important winning preseason games were to NFL coaches. I can't imagine Tony Dungy doing this. I hope that was vintage Marvin and not "I'll play to the cameras" Marvin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Caldwell is starting tonight in place of coles,So much for henry being the 2#Am I the only one surprised that Marvin chews them out so much for losing an exhibition game? I'm OK with it but I was never sure how important winning preseason games were to NFL coaches. I can't imagine Tony Dungy doing this. I hope that was vintage Marvin and not "I'll play to the cameras" Marvin.Well could be but exhibition game or not the team should be serious if they want to win games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Found it...."It's your football team. Find a way to fix it. Reach down inside and be an f---'in pro! I don't like this feeling. I can't stand it. I had this feeling yesterday morning when we were late getting on the field. We're going to be going on all cylinders. Because we're going to go with or without you. You guys wonder why you don't play and start. It's because you don't make tackles on interceptions. It's because you don't do what you're supposed to do." BTW, Lewis was asked point blank today why he was starting Caldwell over Henry and what would have to happen in the future for Henry to be given a starting opportunity, and he immediately mentioned Henry's miserable attempt to tackle the defender who had made the interception. Again, staying out of trouble is all well and good, but Henry will NEVER be a teams #2 wideout until he learns to play smart football, and I'm betting he never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 He's got short-comings, hair, sure. Marvin is all about those. But I hope Marvin also appreciates that blowing-by-people-and-scoring-touchdowns is a skill too. As a third receiving option, or a red zone option, he may be the best in the league at that kind of role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Henry is Mister TD, and they need him on this team in some ways even if it is as the 3rd reciever. I still wanna know why Coles sat tonight is he injured or just taking a break before the regular season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 He's got short-comings, hair, sure. Marvin is all about those. But I hope Marvin also appreciates that blowing-by-people-and-scoring-touchdowns is a skill too. As a third receiving option, or a red zone option, he may be the best in the league at that kind of role. No argument. I'm not a hater. I've defended Henry more than most, and I have few problems with him remaining on the team under the current circumstances. But if Coles goes down I'm turning to Caldwell as my new #2, and if Caldwell goes down I'm turning to someone else. Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 A couple thoughts on Henry.First, if I'm Dick LeBeau I breathe a little easier everytime Chris Henry is pulled off the field. I have to think he'd prefer we play Coles over Henry every playSecondly, the real question with Chris Henry isn't whether he's #2 or #3 or whether he plays 1st down or 2nd down. It's what do you do with him after his contract expires in the off season. As the collective bargaining agreement reads now he will not be a FA this off season but as you all know that's very much in flux. Since he's not "reliable" and since he has a low IQ, throwing money at him is risky but he's a huge threat in our offense and one I'd just as soon not do without. My guess is the post count on this subject when it comes up after the season will dwarf the Chris Henry #2 discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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