Mike Brown's State of the Union

[TJJackson]

Stop the stupidity.

You can help by volunteering to have your login removed from this website.

It'd go a long way towards the fight to end stupidity

Thanks in advance

[Kazkal]

Coats Twists his Ankles,Is this part of the Stars alligning the big man trying to help us? lol

Well get alot more time for Utecht and Coffman....

[kingwilly]

This is funny. Mike Brown, a guy who played college football and who has been involved in football his entire life and watches film with coaches and attends practice and meetings and evaluated players and was taught by Paul Brown doesn't know much about the game?

Whatever problems Mike has as a GM has nothing to do with not being a football guy or lacking knowledge of the game.

Stop the stupidity.

Ok then, he is a footbal genius to you...that tells us quite a bit.

If it is not his football acumen, then what do you propose it is? Lack of motivation? Complacency?

Does the actual reason really matter? The bottom line is what matters...absurdly poor results under the same regime.

[JoePong]

My point was only directed at all those people who constantly say we need to hire a "football guy" to be our GM. Mike Brown IS a "football guy." That's not the problem with this team. People like Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are not "football guys." Matt Millen was a "football guy" as a GM in Detroit. That wasn't his problem. he just sucked as a GM. If yo want to argue that Mike Brown sucks as a GM, that's fine. Just don't use the argument that he's not a "football guy" to make your point and start talking about how we need to hire one of those guys as a GM.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I am not going to bother watching that interview, I'm sure it's like listening to a Baghdad Bob or Kim Jong II broadcast, ecspecially if there is no old country comparisons to ox carts, chickens, eggs, or queen bees.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

What Mike Brown knows about actual football you could stuff up a gnats ass, and it would still look like a pea rolling around in a box car

I think this is just one of your themes you like to talk about.

I see what you did there.

[icehole3]

My point was only directed at all those people who constantly say we need to hire a "football guy" to be our GM. Mike Brown IS a "football guy." That's not the problem with this team. People like Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are not "football guys." Matt Millen was a "football guy" as a GM in Detroit. That wasn't his problem. he just sucked as a GM. If yo want to argue that Mike Brown sucks as a GM, that's fine. Just don't use the argument that he's not a "football guy" to make your point and start talking about how we need to hire one of those guys as a GM.

I'd say Jerry Jones is more of a football guy than Mike Brown, Jones was a pretty good football player at Arkansas

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[kingwilly]

My point was only directed at all those people who constantly say we need to hire a "football guy" to be our GM. Mike Brown IS a "football guy." That's not the problem with this team. People like Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder are not "football guys." Matt Millen was a "football guy" as a GM in Detroit. That wasn't his problem. he just sucked as a GM. If yo want to argue that Mike Brown sucks as a GM, that's fine. Just don't use the argument that he's not a "football guy" to make your point and start talking about how we need to hire one of those guys as a GM.

Sure, fine, he is/or is not a football guy.

As has been made clear, Jerry Jones is a football guy. And as was the case with Millen, it is not a sole indicator of potential success.

However, you have brought nothing to the point. What do you attribute to the dreadful 18 years of results Mr. Mike Brown has delivered? The problem is there are too many things that fall into the category of "cost of not doing" like better/more scouts, practice bubble, hiring a GM, etc. What is the cost of not doing these things? Sure, you can get by and run a profitable busines by doing the bare minimum, or close to it. It is the same mentality of people who do just enough to not get fired from their jobs. If you are Mike Brown, that paradigm shifts such that you do just enough to not get kicked out of the league, reputation or quiality product be damned.

[BengalszoneBilly]

On a side note that apparently has irritated the Bengals organization, this nugget comes from the loveable retards at WDR.....

Yeah, that stunt should find it's way onto Hard Knocks within 5 minutes of the opening credits.

Well done, douchebags. Well done indeed.

In fact, I can easily envision near daily flyovers from our own beloved version of......"5:00 Charlie"

Hooray, I guess.

Wow. A MASH reference worked into a post. I haven't seen that ever. And as far as the troops over at WDR, I don't consider them douches in the least. They are fans voicing their frustration with an organization who's management has undeniably failed them for almost two decades. I don't see how anyone with your intelligence Hair could possibly defend this record, and bashing those guys for being pissed about it..

[Baraka]

the track record of the franchise with SoP at the helm is abhorrent. that said i don't support WDR in the least. i can't imagine how disconcerting it must be for the players to have "fans" of the franchise acting like the folks at WDR. if chemistry is so important why would anyone support a group that is undermining the team like that. i know WDR is not directing their venom at the players, but it has to play on their psyches just the same. at the very least a plane flying over head displaying a banner has to be a distraction during practice.

[TJJackson]

They are not undermining the team

They are undermining (ok, ok, sorry Hair) attempting fruitlessly to undermine the alleged (ok, ok, sorry Hair) salaried GM of the team. Their target is very, very, very clearly spelled out on the site's manifesto, and it is very specific.

That said, I will then argue that while on some many most damn near all teams if one undermines the GM, one undermines the team - on this particular team, it would be uplifting to have the GM undermined.

Oh, the hell with it......they'd be better off with an untrained chimp and/or JoeWrong at the helm.

[ArmyBengal]

That's why I called them "loveable retards"...

Some of the things they come up with I have loved and some things they do are retarded.

I can take'em or leave'em, they don't really affect me in the least.

While they may be a distaction, I don't really think they impact what the players are or are not doing for the most part...

[Baraka]

i'm of the belief if you're constantly told that you play for a sorry sack franchise you begin to question the point of busting your tail in two a days or taking on that bruising linebacker. i guess that's what having high character guys does for a team though, people with integrity perform regardless of the situation. and i do believe the franchise and yes even the "GM" have done a good job bringing in guys that are professionals, unlike some of the children they have had in the past.

[HairOnFire]

I don't see how anyone with your intelligence Hair could possibly defend this record, and bashing those guys for being pissed about it..

I'm not defending the record. It's abysmal.

But yeah, I will happily bash anyone who has determined the best way to save this franchise is to attack it's every move. Because I'm still a a fan of this franchise. And I offer no apology for that.

Granted, being a so-called revolutionary (anti-fan) may ultimately be more fun and entertaining for some than actually being a fan of a flawed franchise, but let's be clear about about something. It's not the same thing as being a fan. Rather, it's something very different, and I want absolutely no part of it.

[HairOnFire]

the track record of the franchise with SoP at the helm is abhorrent. that said i don't support WDR in the least. i can't imagine how disconcerting it must be for the players to have "fans" of the franchise acting like the folks at WDR. if chemistry is so important why would anyone support a group that is undermining the team like that. i know WDR is not directing their venom at the players, but it has to play on their psyches just the same. at the very least a plane flying over head displaying a banner has to be a distraction during practice.

There it is.

Now factor in the way so many negative f**ks around here attempt to harsh my morning mellow by claiming fan loyalty is the very thing preventing them from FORCING change upon the Bengals.

Face it, the revolutionaries couldn't force change on a parking meter...let alone the most stubborn owner in the NFL...so all their actions serve to do is piss guys like me off while feeding the negativity that continues to keep this team down.

[TJJackson]

well, they did get the urinal cakes at the stadium changed

for a day

[Ickey44]

the track record of the franchise with SoP at the helm is abhorrent. that said i don't support WDR in the least. i can't imagine how disconcerting it must be for the players to have "fans" of the franchise acting like the folks at WDR. if chemistry is so important why would anyone support a group that is undermining the team like that. i know WDR is not directing their venom at the players, but it has to play on their psyches just the same. at the very least a plane flying over head displaying a banner has to be a distraction during practice.

There it is.

Now factor in the way so many negative f**ks around here attempt to harsh my morning mellow by claiming fan loyalty is the very thing preventing them from FORCING change upon the Bengals.

Face it, the revolutionaries couldn't force change on a parking meter...let alone the most stubborn owner in the NFL...so all their actions serve to do is piss guys like me off while feeding the negativity that continues to keep this team down.

I understand their intentions and everything, but yeah. If I was a player and I saw that s**t flying around I think I would be pissed. First of all, if you have a problem with the scouts you have a problem with the players the scouts picked. Secondly, flying that banner around in no way shows support for the team you say your a fan of. You really only have a problem with Mikey. Attacking the whole organization isn't fair when Mikey's the lone target.

I really feel that this "movement" is long overdue and useless now anyways. I have no problem (for the most part) with how the team has been run since Marvin has gotten here. They should've done this s**t in the 90's.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Face it, the revolutionaries couldn't force change on a parking meter...let alone the most stubborn owner in the NFL...so all their actions serve to do is piss guys like me off while feeding the negativity that continues to keep this team down.

Well, I'll say this - if there's ever a time for Bengals fans to be at their most perky, it's August. So rejoice. There's usually more than enough time for pissing and/or moaning once the leaves fall.

Hopefully not this year, though. The goofballs have lucked into a real defensive coordinator, and I plan to enjoy watching our D beat the piss out of the Steelers.

I'll just keep on saying a little prayer for each one of Carson's joints every night. And his nose.

[bengal4life]

Not sure if anyone stated this but he reminds me of Mayor West from the show "Family Guy". Just not all there.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I don't see how anyone with your intelligence Hair could possibly defend this record, and bashing those guys for being pissed about it..

I'm not defending the record. It's abysmal.

I hate myself for stealing a hook from the Obama campaign, but at this point, what's wrong with giving Change a try.

But yeah, I will happily bash anyone who has determined the best way to save this franchise is to attack it's every move.

Attack is your word. Question would be mine.

Because I'm still a a fan of this franchise. And I offer no apology for that.

That we have in common, and has never come under scrutiny on either side.

Granted, being a so-called revolutionary (anti-fan) may ultimately be more fun and entertaining for some than actually being a fan of a flawed franchise, but let's be clear about about something. It's not the same thing as being a fan. Rather, it's something very different, and I want absolutely no part of it.

I personally believe any "anti-fan" wouldn't care enough to put together such an organization as they have. Just saying.

[Baraka]

the questions in all this WDR business remains: is their behavior the most effective way to affect change? who loses in all of this?

my answers: no and the players

the most potent way to express displeasure with the franchise would be a full-on boycott. and the players are contractionally obligated to be stuck in the middle, if the fan base (read:fanatics) spend so much time and money to undercut the franchises legitimacy why shouldn't the players bide their time, not get hurt and play for a team whose fans do not actively conspire aganist and mock the organization that asks for my blood, sweat and tears.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

The plane/message was hilarious.

Why any of you would get "upset" over it eludes me.

Keep waitng around for that miracle year...

[HoTbOy]

Don't know if what they did and the way they did it, was the right way to do things and if it will have any impact on what MBrown does, but I will give them credit for at least trying to get the message out that fans are not happy...

[Bearcat1975]

the most potent way to express displeasure with the franchise would be a full-on boycott.

Nope. Not since revenue sharing.

Boycotts are pointless.

To take it to an extreme, if no one showed up at the Bengals 8 home games, Mike Brown would still get his 1/32 of league revenue just like every other owner. He might feel the pinch a bit with the luxury boxes and concessions, but again, all of that is small potatoes compared to shared league revenue.

The problem with the NFL is the problem with Socialism. It looks good in theory, but there will always be that one guy who will mooch off of the others but still get the same cut.

The best that a city-wide boycott could hope to accomplish is that it might make the other owners pressure Brown into allocating more resources/money into the franchise. But I doubt this would happen because most of the other owners are trying to win as priority one so they don't mind having a small market punching bag every season.

Mike Brown inherited a heck of a niche, I'll give him that. The Bengals were not always the cashcow they are now. The Cincinnati fans get a pretty raw deal, but as evidence by this forum, most of them have gotten so used to it that they actually defend Brown when his scam is pointed out.

[HairOnFire]

I hate myself for stealing a hook from the Obama campaign, but at this point, what's wrong with giving Change a try.

Not a thing. In fact, I'm in favor of it.

So, what happens now?

What's that? Actively attempt to publically embarrass the thing I claim to love at every given opportunity even though I know from the very start my actions will be futile?

The hell you say.