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[ArmyBengal]

A few things...

I agree with Billy and the porn statement to start, as I thought that was the most intelligent post in this thread. Way to go Billy !!!

Next, we aren't talking about people with Cancer or the amusing thought of having one's arm in a pot of boiling water though, we are talking about the freaking Bengals. However, you said it yourself:

There are very few topics here where our esteemed owner / GM / idiot redeemer / nepotistic president & ceo are not relevant.

So in other words, it's a given. Right ?? So please, as I've asked more times than I care to bring up, what new Mike Brown rant is there for the members to share on this site that haven't been discussed to no end ?? That's the one I'm still waiting on. Someone to enlighten me with something other than the typical verbal masterbation about, "Mike Brown sucks", "This team is handicapped by such a sh*tty owner", "Mike Brown owes the fans of this team"...

It goes on and on with that same sh*t and yet no one has been able to provide a nugget of new information that I'm aware of to explain any of this.

Lastly, I'm not telling anyone what they can or cannot write on this forum, nor am I the "Rule Maker" by any stretch. I simply get sick of seeing the same endless, mindnumbing sh*t about something that (are you guys ready??) WON'T CHANGE...

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

To start, I'm not singling you out here. My comments are made towards all posters that feel free to do exactly what you were talking about. Even if Mike Brown's ineptitudes are applicable, why constantly bring it up ?? It's nothing that's not already known by everyone here unless you just became a fan in the past month. Seriously, why bring it up ??

In fairness to Bearcat, this is a football message board, and it's May. If topics are restricted to legitimate news of which no one was previously aware, then I suppose this place can be shuttered between the OTAs and the start of camp.

Looked at more cynically, while it's acknowledged that Mikey's an idiot, he usually finds new and creative ways to express it.

That said, the old coot's had a good offseason. I'm happy to give a dog it's day.

[ArmyBengal]

The offseason sucks, the Mike Brown owned Bengals have had a stellar offseason to this point (as it appears at this time) and I'm happy with it.

I'm just certain that isn't enough for some.

[gregstephens]

The offseason sucks, the Mike Brown owned Bengals have had a stellar offseason to this point (as it appears at this time) and I'm happy with it.

I'm just certain that isn't enough for some.

The offseason does suck. In all sincerity, I'm just thankful we still have all the brethren of the forum interested enough to visit many, MANY times a day to debate the mundane, and occasional serious topic, so I'm not complaining.

Nice job, guys.

[HoosierCat]

Business genius, football retard

Actually, neither of the above.

Mike Brown is hardly a business genius. He's a shrewd negotiator and good bean-counter -- in other words, a typical CFO. Every company has one, the guy whose job it is to hoard every incoming penny while complaining about every expense.

But other than that, the Bengals don't exhibit many characteristics of a good business.

Their marketing is amateurish at best. I've seen better PR efforts from mom 'n' pop grocers. Customer service, by all reports, is generally awful. Management is defined by family relationships, not competence, and lacks any accountability. And the product, of course, is poor.

But the balance sheet is good. So there's that.

As for football retard? Yeah, Mike has made some dumb calls. But he's hardly alone in that. He knows football, but he knows football in the same sense that the average American "knows" cars. They've been around them all their lives, can drive them, and even do some repair and maintenance. But few of us could build one from scratch.

Mike Brown is living proof that a little knowledge is, indeed, a dangerous thing.

[Jet23]

Mike Brown is icky...

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

The offseason sucks, the Mike Brown owned Bengals have had a stellar offseason to this point (as it appears at this time) and I'm happy with it.

I'm just certain that isn't enough for some.

Correct. "Some" is probably waiting to see W's, and I can't really argue with that.

[HairOnFire]

Mike Brown still blows.

Absolutely.

No argument offered.

But at the very least can we agree on at least one thing? That being, Mike Brown probably isn't a secret member of the Zone, and as a result posters like yourself and Bearcat, who force every Bengalzone thread topic through a Mike Brown filter, don't serve a very useful purpose.

Trust me on this, everyone here already knows which side is up and which side is down, and some of us have forgotten more Bengal history than many of you Mike Brown bashers will ever know. In fact, very few of you Fed-Up types could offer a criticism that hasn't been heard a million times already. So it's your type I become bored with when you make every thread a Mike Brown thread. And it's your type I become angry with when you presume I don't already know about the crap you choose to focus on.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Trust me on this, everyone here already knows which side is up and which side is down, and some of us have forgotten more Bengal history than many of you Mike Brown bashers will ever know. In fact, very few of you Fed-Up types could offer a criticism that hasn't been heard a million times already. So it's your type I become bored with when you make every thread a Mike Brown thread. And it's your type I become angry with when you presume I don't already know about the crap you choose to focus on.

OK. Rhetorical question: what is the point of this message board? None of us is a journalist, none of us has access to players/coaches/ownership, and none of us is so damn smart that a truly novel observation, criticism, or rant is likely to occur. Especially in May. So to the degree that Bercat's ranting is redundant...so is everyone else's. Mine most certainly included. Yours too.

Really, if you change the particulars in your rant above, it could describe any of us. Hell, we've all heard that exact rant from you innumerable times before. The "bash Mike" thread will predictably turn to analysis of how Mikey saved football in Cincinnati, or the city had it coming, or how he's just a shrewd businessman. Or how, really, he's just unlucky in the draft. Yada. Yada. Yada.

I think different people have different goals for a message board. Some, perhaps, expect each post to be fully researched and vetted for content and novelty. Some use it as a place to vent (as Hoosier mentioned). Some out of towners use it as a place for Bengals news. Some utilize it as their own personal soapbox. Others seem to use it as a method of engaging in filibuster-style flame wars, which I don't get. Point is, if it makes somebody feel better to get a little Mikey hate off their chest after nearly 20 years without a playoff win, I'm fine with that.

Me? This time of year, I only stop by for Billy's sigs, since I can tell the wife I'm just reading the posts. Keep posting, Billy. Please.

[Bearcat1975]

Mike Brown still blows.

Absolutely.

No argument offered.

But at the very least can we agree on at least one thing? That being, Mike Brown probably isn't a secret member of the Zone, and as a result posters like yourself and Bearcat, who force every Bengalzone thread topic through a Mike Brown filter, don't serve a very useful purpose.

Trust me on this, everyone here already knows which side is up and which side is down, and some of us have forgotten more Bengal history than many of you Mike Brown bashers will ever know. In fact, very few of you Fed-Up types could offer a criticism that hasn't been heard a million times already. So it's your type I become bored with when you make every thread a Mike Brown thread. And it's your type I become angry with when you presume I don't already know about the crap you choose to focus on.

You can keep spouting this horses**t, but a simple click on my name to review my posts proves you are lying.

Check it, then come back for your crow. But you won't. Because you are full of s**t and the last thing someone who is full of s**t wants is to have their s**t-ness exposed for the s**t that it is.

Go ahead, click and verify. Then come back here for your crow. Or crawl back down into your river of denial where you belong.

[Bearcat1975]

The offseason sucks, the Mike Brown owned Bengals have had a stellar offseason to this point (as it appears at this time) and I'm happy with it.

I'm just certain that isn't enough for some.

You would be correct, sir.

Winning seasons are pretty cool too. Or, so I remember...

For the record, I was singing Mike Brown's praises all through the draft threads. I felt like most did, that the Bengals had a very very good draft. But, in looking at both sides of the coin, it also has to be acknowledged that there will be a very lengthy holdout and it has to be acknowledged why there will be a lengthy holdout here disproportionate to the rest of the NFL.

Mike Brown doesn't get brought up in every thread, so I think we need to stop with that falsehood. But the man has many handicaps he saddles his team with in the name of personal profit. To ignore these facts or deliberately avoid them even when applicable seems like a head-in-the-sand move to me.

[HairOnFire]

You can keep spouting this horses**t, but a simple click on my name to review my posts proves you are lying.

Why would anyone ever review the things you've written? There's nothing you seem to know beyond the most basic level of bitching, and most threads eventually come to a point where you call others lemmings or liars simply because they know more than you.

But who doesn't?

Check it, then come back for your crow.

I'll come to you whenever I need the sweat licked from my cyber balls. Because beyond that simple task you don't seem capable of much else.

[Bearcat1975]

blah blahblah But you're just a big poopyhead. blahblah blah

No, I am calling YOU a liar and I have given proof. Where is your proof? You have none. So its back to the grade school insults naturally. You can keep spouting your nonsense, but it is still nonsense.

[HairOnFire]

For the record, I was singing Mike Brown's praises all through the draft threads. I felt like most did, that the Bengals had a very very good draft.

So you've got a firm grasp of the obvious. What else are you good for?

But, in looking at both sides of the coin, it also has to be acknowledged that there will be a very lengthy holdout and it has to be acknowledged why there will be a lengthy holdout here disproportionate to the rest of the NFL.

And there it is. The thing that makes a Bearcat a Bearcat and a Kid Steakhouse a Kid Steakhouse. The unquenchable need to bitch about everything Bengal related, including things that may never happen. And that my friends is as good an example of someone making things up simply to fit their already negative views.

At best it's speculative. At it's worst it's disinformation that borders on outright lying.

Mike Brown doesn't get brought up in every thread, so I think we need to stop with that falsehood.

I suppose your type wants medals and trophies given in recognition of the restraint you always show.....except in the examples where you're busy bitching about holdouts that haven't hapened or commenting on the misinformation posted about indoor practice facilities.

But the man has many handicaps he saddles his team with in the name of personal profit. To ignore these facts or deliberately avoid them even when applicable seems like a head-in-the-sand move to me.

Frankly, you don't seem to be so smart that you should lecture others about what they don't know. In fact, you don't even strike me as a very smart Fed-Up. Because plenty of others have done what you're trying to do far better than you've managed so far....which may explain why you're crap sounds especially weak to me.

You're just a whining little bitch.

[ArmyBengal]

The offseason sucks, the Mike Brown owned Bengals have had a stellar offseason to this point (as it appears at this time) and I'm happy with it.

I'm just certain that isn't enough for some.

You would be correct, sir.

Winning seasons are pretty cool too. Or, so I remember...

For the record, I was singing Mike Brown's praises all through the draft threads. I felt like most did, that the Bengals had a very very good draft. But, in looking at both sides of the coin, it also has to be acknowledged that there will be a very lengthy holdout and it has to be acknowledged why there will be a lengthy holdout here disproportionate to the rest of the NFL.

Mike Brown doesn't get brought up in every thread, so I think we need to stop with that falsehood. But the man has many handicaps he saddles his team with in the name of personal profit. To ignore these facts or deliberately avoid them even when applicable seems like a head-in-the-sand move to me.

We are still talking in the same context as the thread implied when we are talking about the present right ?? Not the future ?? I mean, at this point in time (which I said in my post) I am happy. If the season starts and the team falls the f*ck apart, then sure, I won't be happy. You know, the season, when the wins you are wanting (as every other member here) actually have the chance of coming to fruition ??

That's exactly my point, some just aren't happy with the now. We will get to the season soon enough (not really) and then all that other conversation will come into play. For now, I will be happy because, if truth be told, when was the last time we were sitting here in May with the type of optimism we currently share ?? It's been a long time, so yeah, I'm happy...

[HairOnFire]

No, I am calling YOU a liar and I have given proof.

Your opinion of me means nothing....precisely because you're a whining little dink who bitches about EVERYTHING. Frankly, if you were more selective and realistic I might care more than I do, but that's not going to happen, right?

No, I am calling YOU a liar and I have given proof. Where is your proof?

Well, you're currently lying about Andre Smith's holdout. Won't that do?

So its back to the grade school insults naturally.

Now be fair. Wasn't it you who first uttered the douche word? And wasn't it you who first thrust a tounge up an ass? So spare me the whining and bitching about how you're being unfairly treated and get on with your whining and bitching about everything else.

[Bearcat1975]

So you've got a firm grasp of the obvious. What else are you good for?

I'm pretty good at pwning your sorry ass, every time you crawl back to BZ to douche all over somebody's thread.

And there it is. The thing that makes a Bearcat a Bearcat and a Kid Steakhouse a Kid Steakhouse. The unquenchable need to bitch about everything Bengal related, including things that may never happen. And that my friends is as good an example of someone making things up simply to fit their already negative views.

At best it's speculative. At it's worst it's disinformation that borders on outright lying.

Do you always have to be such a big turd? It is speculation based on case history, coupled with the understanding that we are approaching an uncapped year which means I foresee many holdouts due to greedy agents, plain and simple.

I suppose your type wants medals and trophies given in recognition of the restraint you always show.....except in the examples where you're busy bitching about holdouts that haven't hapened or commenting on the misinformation posted about indoor practice facilities.

No, just every once in a while I have to defend myself from douchebags such as yourself that like to spread lies and misinformation. Show me my misinformation about the indoor facilities again? Thats right... YOU CAN'T DO IT. SO get back to what you do best...e-thugging it.

Frankly, you don't seem to be so smart that you should lecture others about what they don't know. In fact, you don't even strike me as a very smart Fed-Up. Because plenty of others have done what you're trying to do far better than you've managed so far....which may explain why you're crap sounds especially weak to me.

You're just a whining little bitch.

That's the stuff... Or "HOF 2009" I like to call it. Just a whining little ethug wannabe who goes around spreading misinformation and grade school insults. That's fine, I can take it. But when I ask you for proof and you have none...well, that's your M.O. here I guess. I will call you on it every time though.

Summary:

HOF: Bearcat spreads lies and misinformation and talks about Mike Brown in every thread

Bearcat: Proof of either please?

HOF: Bearcat is a poopyhead

I think that about sums it up.

[Bearcat1975]

Well, you're currently lying about Andre Smith's holdout. Won't that do?

It is merely speculation based on Bengals case history, coupled with the understanding that we are approaching an uncapped year which means I foresee many holdouts due to greedy agents, plain and simple.

When you get done looking up all those big words, come back with your next grade school insult or outright lie.

[HairOnFire]

Well, you're currently lying about Andre Smith's holdout. Won't that do?

It is merely speculation based on Bengals case history, coupled with the understanding that we are approaching an uncapped year which means I foresee many holdouts due to greedy agents, plain and simple.

Again, it's speculation at best. But that only applies to an unbiased opinion....which you very clearly don't have.

The fact that you have to look for things that haven't happened to satsisfy your need to bitch seems rather telling. Add to that your willingness to use empty speculation or deliberate misinformation and I'd say you have all the makings of a second-class liar.

[HairOnFire]

I'm pretty good at pwning your sorry ass, every time you crawl back to BZ to douche all over somebody's thread.

Can I assume pwning means lying in your world. Because right now you're currently bitching about Andre Smith's holdout and Carson Palmer being injured before the opener can be played.

Frankly, all you do is make stuff up and then complain about the real meaning of the half-truths you tell.

[HairOnFire]

Do you always have to be such a big turd? It is speculation based on case history, coupled with the understanding that we are approaching an uncapped year which means I foresee many holdouts due to greedy agents, plain and simple.

You're lying, plain and simple. You make up stuff that hasn't happened and then you bitch about it. And the reason you can't wait to see what actually happens is because you're not interested in facts as much as you want to whine and bitch.

So you lie and spout half-truths to make sure you get the opportunity.

[HairOnFire]

No, just every once in a while I have to defend myself from douchebags such as yourself that like to spread lies and misinformation.

I use facts while you use speculation. I use direct quotes from the personalities involved while you pull speculation out of your ass OR from a source of information known for it's open bias. And most importantly, I know what I know while all you know is what you're told.

Frankly, I'm guessing the only reason your posts aren't immediately considered little more than blatant lies is because your added speculation is so worthless it lacks the credibility needed to be taken seriously.

But when I ask you for proof and you have none...well, that's your M.O. here I guess.

Actually, you tell lies and half-truths in nearly every post you write....including todays menu items featuring Andre Smith's holdout and Carson Palmer's future injury. Sadly, tomorrow you'll tell even more lies and half-truths....all in the name of being a better more informed Bengal fan.

[Bearcat1975]

Actually, you tell lies and half-truths in nearly every post you write....including todays menu items featuring Andre Smith's holdout and Carson Palmer's future injury. Sadly, tomorrow you'll tell even more lies and half-truths....all in the name of being a better more informed Bengal fan.

When Smith holds out and Palmer gets injured, I will take no enjoyment in the fact that you will have been proven wrong once again.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

The more aggressive offseason was forced, I'm guessing, by Marvin, just like he did when he first got here and made moves for James, ONeal, Thorton etc..,

Marv may be a yes man when it comes to dealing with the public and press, but I don't think he's as lame or gullible as the previous 3 coaches, and is smart enough to know his career is on the line here, and not to let it get out of hand by not challenging ownership.

I refuse to give Mike Brown credit for anything other than listening to someone else for a change. He's still a stubborn old bat that's holding them back, by not having a better/larger scouting dept., nor the facilities and amenities coaches and players enjoy elsewhere.

I'd prefer some long term, consistent success for a while, not these 18 year cycles of one winning season - it's ridiculous. Some things still have to change for that to happen.

[HairOnFire]

When Smith holds out and Palmer gets injured, I will take no enjoyment in the fact that you will have been proven wrong once again.

But you can't do that. Because even though you whine about those things now, rather than waiting to see what actually happens, you always make it clear that you're not actually predicting any of these things. No, you're just pointing out what could happen. So I'm sure when the time comes you'll whine even louder if things you sorta claim actually do come true and you'll hide behind handy excuses if they don't.

Because that's what pu**ies like you do.