walzav29 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Is this our conclusion? I have to admit I'm a little nervous. Is anyone familiar with this injury heals on its own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Personally I far more concerned about the Bengals offensive line letting opposing defenses kick the living s**t out of Palmer AGAIN making any healing found during the off season a moot f**kin' point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Personally I far more concerned about the Bengals offensive line letting opposing defenses kick the living s**t out of Palmer AGAIN making any healing found during the off season a moot f**kin' point! I have to agree here. I think the odds of a recurring broken nose caused by an overly porous o-line are much greater than a recurrence of the elbow thing. If the elbow was THAT big of deal, I don't believe there would have been the ultimate decision to forego surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted April 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Gil Brandt said last night that an OT is easier to find than a DT. He said if the choice is between Raji and A. Smith he thinks the Bengals will take BJ Raji. He also said that Lesean McCoy out of Pitt would be a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I think I'm the "hoping" mode with Palmer...I hope he's 100%, but question it to a degreeI hope he can stay healthy all seasonI hope he's not running for his life because our o-line sucks againI hope he's the guy that punches Chad's lights out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I hope he's the guy that punches Chad's lights outHere, here!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Just trying to relate another thread conversation and think of the best case scenario in my opinion.Carson knocking the sh*t out of Chad would fill my heart with great amounts of happiness !!!Granted he doesn't hurt his hand in the process... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Just trying to relate another thread conversation and think of the best case scenario in my opinion.Carson knocking the sh*t out of Chad would fill my heart with great amounts of happiness !!!Granted he doesn't hurt his hand in the process...I'd rather see Jordan Palmer take Ocho's ass down when he is screaming at Carson about something idiotic. That way Jordan earns his paycheck while being a good brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Just trying to relate another thread conversation and think of the best case scenario in my opinion.Carson knocking the sh*t out of Chad would fill my heart with great amounts of happiness !!!Granted he doesn't hurt his hand in the process...I'd rather see Jordan Palmer take Ocho's ass down when he is screaming at Carson about something idiotic. That way Jordan earns his paycheck while being a good brother.I see no issues with that scenario, except that some assh*le would make the argument that Carson can't fight his own fights and lacks leadership and that it probably had something to do with his shoulder injury that never quite healed properly due to the crack medical staff the Bengals have !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Just trying to relate another thread conversation and think of the best case scenario in my opinion.Carson knocking the sh*t out of Chad would fill my heart with great amounts of happiness !!!Granted he doesn't hurt his hand in the process...I'd rather see Jordan Palmer take Ocho's ass down when he is screaming at Carson about something idiotic. That way Jordan earns his paycheck while being a good brother.I see no issues with that scenario, except that some assh*le would make the argument that Carson can't fight his own fights and lacks leadership and that it probably had something to do with his shoulder injury that never quite healed properly due to the crack medical staff the Bengals have !!!Just remember, Carson, punch with the LEFT!!! And make sure he doesn't get up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I'd rather see Jordan Palmer take Ocho's ass down when he is screaming at Carson about something idiotic. That way Jordan earns his paycheck while being a good brother. After years of constant scrapping I have to admit I'm starting to like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Well lets do the math here...So far in Carson's brief stint as a Bengals he has:Shredded the leg he plants withBroken his noseJacked up his throwing armHad to reinvent how he plants his foot before throwingYou'll remember right before Carson finally went down last season, he was starting to look like Mike Vick. Mike Vick in a phone booth, in slow motion, I mean.What it comes down to is this: Can Carson's pedigree and lifetime training overcome all of the above obstacles including the obstacle of being a Cincinnati Bengal? I hope so, but honestly? I think Elite Carson is done. I think we are stuck with Damaged Carson. I think he hears "footsteps." I think he holds on to the ball too long. And I think his passes tend to sail on him since he had to change the way he plants his leg before the throw. But hey, who knows. Maybe Palmer comes back from all of this and has a pro-bowl season. But if I were a betting man, I know where my money would be, and it wouldn't be with Carson Palmer or the Bengals this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I hope so, but honestly? I think Elite Carson is done. I think we are stuck with Damaged Carson. I think he hears "footsteps." I think he holds on to the ball too long.Now you're crazy. If he hears footsteps, why would he hold on to the ball too long?And remember, in '07 he set the Bengals record for fewest sacks playing behind one of the NFL's worst O-lines. That's because he was so willing to throw the ball away.You want to believe the '05 Carson is gone for good? You might be right... but perhaps the only reason that "Elite Carson" existed in the first place was because he played behind an excellent O-line for a short time. Because with no time to throw, he's forced to abandon the play as planned, and you'll never see those 05 numbers again unless you protect his blind side and get a Center who can't be bull-rushed. Oh yeah... and a running game couldn't hurt either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I think Elite Carson is done. I think we are stuck with Damaged Carson. I think he hears "footsteps." I think he holds on to the ball too long. And I think his passes tend to sail on him since he had to change the way he plants his leg before the throw. It's possible. I've repeatedly said Carson's career has reached a crossroads, but not so much because of the lasting physical erosion that often comes with injury, but due to the loss of near perfect technique that once prompted me to tag Palmer as the Cartoon QB with Kung Fu Grip. (Circa 2005) Frankly, I have no idea when or if we ever see that guy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Now you're crazy. If he hears footsteps, why would he hold on to the ball too long?He hears footsteps, then looks toward them instead of his 3rd option and/or safety valve. Tries to take off running. Realizes he is a statue. 2nd and 18 at the 4 yard line. For example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I think Elite Carson is done. I think we are stuck with Damaged Carson. I think he hears "footsteps." I think he holds on to the ball too long. And I think his passes tend to sail on him since he had to change the way he plants his leg before the throw. It's possible. I've repeatedly said Carson's career has reached a crossroads, but not so much because of the lasting physical erosion that often comes with injury, but due to the loss of near perfect technique that once prompted me to tag Palmer as the Cartoon QB with Kung Fu Grip. (Circa 2005) Frankly, I have no idea when or if we ever see that guy again.Exactly. Coming out of USC, and pretty much all his life I imagine, it was as if Carson was born to be a QB. His technique and accuracy was among the best QBs I had ever seen.But now? He looks and acts more like Klingler than Palmer to me. We'll see though. Enjoy this time, gents. Its right before the draft AKA the highlight of Bengal related optimism. Nothing left to do now but draft the big baby from Alabama and wait for the holdout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 I'm telling you, I expect a holdout from any player we take at #6 and if it happens to be one of the OT's, I expect Carson to get beat the f*ck up AGAIN !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 And while we're talking about THAT O-line....the following nugget just popped up on KFFL. Bengals | Barton waived Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:04:46 -0700The Cincinnati Bengals have announced they have waived OG Kirk Barton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Figured not much to discuss about a practice squad player that was a 7th round pick of another team that never took a game time snap with us.With how bad our o-line is, what does that tell Barton ??D*MN !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Well lets do the math here...So far in Carson's brief stint as a Bengals he has:Shredded the leg he plants withBroken his noseJacked up his throwing armHad to reinvent how he plants his foot before throwingLead the NFL in TD passes '052nd in TD passes '062-time Pro BowlerPro Bowl MVP2-4,000 yd seasonsLead the NFL in Completion Percentage (67.8%) in '0563.7% Career Completion Pct107 TD's vs. 67 Int's15,630 Career YdsSo far in Carson's brief stint as a Bengal he has: READ ABOVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 carson being limited in practice and not full go concerns me, and obviously there is some concern from the bengals also. i don't think carson is starting to go lame on us either. last season, i don't know of any qb that could have performed well in our offense. the 2 starting W/R's not ready to play and embarrassed themselves out there, then the worst o-line in the whole league, crap for rb, not time to do anything. last season was doomed from the get go. i think carson is still a qb capable of putting up big numbers and leading this team to wins. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Lead the NFL in TD passes '05 2005 AKA The PRE-BROKEN Carson Palmer2nd in TD passes '06 2-time Pro BowlerPro Bowl MVP 2005 AKA The PRE-BROKEN Carson Palmer2-4,000 yd seasonsLead the NFL in Completion Percentage (67.8%) in '05 2005 AKA The PRE-BROKEN Carson Palmer63.7% Career Completion Pct107 TD's vs. 67 Int's15,630 Career YdsSo far in Carson's brief stint as a Bengal he has: READ ABOVENevermind that half of your stats are from 2005... I'm not saying Carson Palmer sucked. Far from it. He made it look like an art form. I'm saying that as of his arm injury against the Giants, and probably before that, he is finished as an NFL QB of any kind of productivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Nevermind that half of your stats are from 2005... I'm not saying Carson Palmer sucked. Far from it. He made it look like an art form. I'm saying that as of his arm injury against the Giants, and probably before that, he is finished as an NFL QB of any kind of productivity.While I can wholeheartedly agree that Carson may not ever be the Carson that had all the initial success and understand the questions surrounding him, I'm not sure I can agree with the bolded above portion. I think if Carson is given an o-line that is solid or closer to resembling the one from 2005, we could expect results we all loved about him early on. If not, he will be a bloody mess, but I think it has more to do with the o-line than Carson himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Nevermind that half of your stats are from 2005... I'm not saying Carson Palmer sucked. Far from it. He made it look like an art form. I'm saying that as of his arm injury against the Giants, and probably before that, he is finished as an NFL QB of any kind of productivity.While I can wholeheartedly agree that Carson may not ever be the Carson that had all the initial success and understand the questions surrounding him, I'm not sure I can agree with the bolded above portion. x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfansince68 Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 The bolded quote is pure conjecture on Bearcat's part and nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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