BengalszoneBilly Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 I would welcome most of these changes, but I like the draft where it is now.Owners might consider moving NFL draft to late FebruaryBy Mike Holbrook March 22, 2009Indications are strong that the annual NFL owners meeting to be held March 22-25 in Dana Point, Calif., could be one of the most compelling gatherings in many years.And the country’s economic woes appear to be a big reason why.Not only will the owners be hearing from the NFL’s Competition Committee on a number of rules changes to impact games during the season, but whispers are growing louder that the league may be ready to consider making dramatic changes to the offseason schedule, including changing the dates for the postseason all-star games, the Scouting Combine, the draft and veteran free agency.Multiple inside sources throughout the league have told PFW that the economic climate, coupled with the uncertainty of the next Collective Bargaining Agreement with the players in addition to the potential for an uncapped year in 2010 and a potential lockout in ’11, have made cost-cutting measures a top priority.The decision by commissioner Roger Goodell to take a 20 percent pay cut in annual salary and to eliminate 169 league jobs back in February might have been the prelude to bigger and bolder budgetary decisions, though nothing has been decided yet.For instance, the draft has been held in late April or early May since 1977. However, there are a number of movers and shakers in the league who believe that veteran free agency should follow the draft, and with the CBA still to be agreed upon for the next contract, this issue could be a bargaining chip for owners.Those same league insiders would like to see the draft moved to late February, with free agency to commence following rookie minicamps, most likely in mid-to-late March."They need to get the draft put ahead of free agency," one veteran talent evaluator told PFW.If the draft were to be held two months earlier, it obviously would compress the time allowed to evaluate talent. All-star games for college seniors would be affected, as would the Scouting Combine.The Senior Bowl, the most popular all-star game for player evaluation in the league and a traditional gathering spot for NFL coaches, GMs and scouts in the week before the Super Bowl, has been held in Mobile, Ala., for years. However, Senior Bowl organizers are looking for an NFL venue to move their event to and have given Tampa, Fla., exclusive negotiating rights to become the long-term home of the game.The East-West Shrine Game, an all-star bowl game for college seniors that began in 1925 and spent 80 years in the San Francisco area before moving to Texas in 2006, is also seriously considering moving to Tampa.By having both big senior showcases in the same city, the games could work in unison to attract the best talent and give prospects an opportunity to practice for two weeks in front of NFL decision makers, plus play games on back-to-back weekends.The Combine would be held in early February following the Super Bowl. With little time for players to work out on their own and hold pro days at their school, the Combine would become even more important for prospects to show NFL scouts what they can do. It wouldn’t be a surprise if the number of invitees to the Combine was increased to accommodate more prospects.The biggest upside for the league and its 32 teams in combining the Senior Bowl and East-West Shrine Game in the same city along with an expanded Combine is tremendous travel savings. Expenses have grown exponentially over the years, with teams sending scouts across the country from all-star game to all-star game and from pro day to pro day. By making travel more efficient for scouts and personnel men, the league believes each team could save millions of dollars.One other key factor in holding the draft earlier is that it is likely to limit the amount of input from the head coach and his assistants. It will force teams to rely more on their scouting staffs and personnel departments. The earlier draft will reward well-organized and talented scouting departments and expose less-talented, less-informed scouts.With the league streamlining the draft in recent years and moving in the direction of making the first two rounds a prime-time event, the timing of a late-February draft would be excellent in terms of taking place during one of TV’s key sweeps months. It also would be at a relatively dead time in the sports calendar — before college basketball’s March Madness or baseball’s spring training and well before the NBA or NHL playoffs begin.The earlier draft would allow teams to select for need with younger players first, then see what they’ve got in minicamps before deciding whom to pursue in free agency. The system currently encourages teams to fill roster needs with veteran free agents before the draft.Pro days won’t go away. In fact, less-heralded draft-eligible players who aren’t drafted could still hold pro days to showcase their skills when working out with juniors who are being evaluated in anticipation of the following year’s draft. As a result, teams would be encouraged to start collecting information for the next draft as soon as possible and have their scouting departments be prepared to hit the ground running in the fall.Finally, pushing up the draft would naturally create a lengthy break from league business — allowing for ample downtime in May and June — something that many league insiders believe is desperately needed to prevent burnout and the feeling of being on a treadmill that they can’t get off."Some way, somehow, the NFL needs to find a way to give the league more of a break," a top executive told PFW. "It's like a treadmill that keeps getting faster and faster. They need to have a bigger window between the draft and free agency, regardless of which one comes first." Quote
Kazkal Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 So scouting staffs become more important....we'd be even more ferked..... lol Quote
ArmyBengal Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 The lack of football is bad enough. Could you imagine the HUGE lull in football action if the draft were moved to February ??Make that a NO from me in regards to moving it !!! Quote
Thurmanation Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 The lack of football is bad enough. Could you imagine the HUGE lull in football action if the draft were moved to February ??Make that a NO from me in regards to moving it !!!They have to start up a summer league of some kind. Like the XFL tried to do. Quote
derekshank Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Yeah. This is stupid. I was just bragging about how the people who run the NFL are geniuses when it comes to marketing their product. The Superbowl is in February. Less than a month later free agency begins. As the buzz wears off, the pre draft buzz heats up. Then the draft in April... then mini camps... and a few short weeks later - Training camp. It is a perfectly oiled machine that keeps true NFL fans involved all year long. Changing that gives too much time to lose interest.I don't know anyone that talks about baseball in December. Why? Nothing is happening. People talk NFL like crazy right now in the middle of the NBA season, MLB spring training/WBC, and March Madness.If you want to change the draft, move the first round, or even the first 16 picks to primetime on Friday night. This increases interest, wheras moving the draft to February creates a football void from March to June. Quote
ArmyBengal Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Agree with you Derek in that it's nice to always seem to have something going on with football all season long. It never really stops for me and I like it that way. Move things around and yeah, I won't be as involved for the most part. There just won't be as much to talk about with the lull in action.The keep tweeking things with the draft as well (it's another hour later this year) and probably will continue to do so. I personally liked it more in the early portion of the day because I can sit and watch and still have my evening to do other things with the family. The further it gets into the evening, the less the chances I watch all of it. Once again, that's just me and MY situation. Quote
derekshank Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 I personally liked it more in the early portion of the day because I can sit and watch and still have my evening to do other things with the family. The further it gets into the evening, the less the chances I watch all of it. Once again, that's just me and MY situation.Yeah. I understand what they are doing. The later in the day you have it, the more likely people are to tune in. But as you get into the 3rd round, only hardcore football fans are watching anyway. So why not have the 1st round (or at least the first 16 picks) in prime time on Friday night. The ratings would increase incredibly if that is what they are looking for. Then get it going again on Saturday around noon. You've already got the ratings you're looking for on Friday night. Saturday and Sunday are for the true football fans that are going to watch it no matter when it is on. Quote
ArmyBengal Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 I personally liked it more in the early portion of the day because I can sit and watch and still have my evening to do other things with the family. The further it gets into the evening, the less the chances I watch all of it. Once again, that's just me and MY situation.Yeah. I understand what they are doing. The later in the day you have it, the more likely people are to tune in. But as you get into the 3rd round, only hardcore football fans are watching anyway. So why not have the 1st round (or at least the first 16 picks) in prime time on Friday night. The ratings would increase incredibly if that is what they are looking for. Then get it going again on Saturday around noon. You've already got the ratings you're looking for on Friday night. Saturday and Sunday are for the true football fans that are going to watch it no matter when it is on.I wouldn't have to much issue with that I guess. Minus something catostrophic occuring, I'm watching damn near every pick... Quote
BengalPimp Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 I would welcome most of these changes, but I like the draft where it is now.Owners might consider moving NFL draft to late FebruaryBy Mike Holbrook March 22, 2009Indications are strong that the annual NFL owners meeting to be held March 22-25 in Dana Point, Calif., could be one of the most compelling gatherings in many years.And the country’s economic woes appear to be a big reason why.Not only will the owners be hearing from the NFL’s Competition Committee on a number of rules changes to impact games during the season, but whispers are growing louder that the league may be ready to consider making dramatic changes to the offseason schedule, including changing the dates for the postseason all-star games, the Scouting Combine, the draft and veteran free agency.Multiple inside sources throughout the league have told PFW that the economic climate, coupled with the uncertainty of the next Collective Bargaining Agreement with the players in addition to the potential for an uncapped year in 2010 and a potential lockout in ’11, have made cost-cutting measures a top priority.The decision by commissioner Roger Goodell to take a 20 percent pay cut in annual salary and to eliminate 169 league jobs back in February might have been the prelude to bigger and bolder budgetary decisions, though nothing has been decided yet.For instance, the draft has been held in late April or early May since 1977. However, there are a number of movers and shakers in the league who believe that veteran free agency should follow the draft, and with the CBA still to be agreed upon for the next contract, this issue could be a bargaining chip for owners.Those same league insiders would like to see the draft moved to late February, with free agency to commence following rookie minicamps, most likely in mid-to-late March."They need to get the draft put ahead of free agency," one veteran talent evaluator told PFW.If the draft were to be held two months earlier, it obviously would compress the time allowed to evaluate talent. All-star games for college seniors would be affected, as would the Scouting Combine.The Senior Bowl, the most popular all-star game for player evaluation in the league and a traditional gathering spot for NFL coaches, GMs and scouts in the week before the Super Bowl, has been held in Mobile, Ala., for years. However, Senior Bowl organizers are looking for an NFL venue to move their event to and have given Tampa, Fla., exclusive negotiating rights to become the long-term home of the game.The East-West Shrine Game, an all-star bowl game for college seniors that began in 1925 and spent 80 years in the San Francisco area before moving to Texas in 2006, is also seriously considering moving to Tampa.By having both big senior showcases in the same city, the games could work in unison to attract the best talent and give prospects an opportunity to practice for two weeks in front of NFL decision makers, plus play games on back-to-back weekends.The Combine would be held in early February following the Super Bowl. With little time for players to work out on their own and hold pro days at their school, the Combine would become even more important for prospects to show NFL scouts what they can do. It wouldn’t be a surprise if the number of invitees to the Combine was increased to accommodate more prospects.The biggest upside for the league and its 32 teams in combining the Senior Bowl and East-West Shrine Game in the same city along with an expanded Combine is tremendous travel savings. Expenses have grown exponentially over the years, with teams sending scouts across the country from all-star game to all-star game and from pro day to pro day. By making travel more efficient for scouts and personnel men, the league believes each team could save millions of dollars.One other key factor in holding the draft earlier is that it is likely to limit the amount of input from the head coach and his assistants. It will force teams to rely more on their scouting staffs and personnel departments. The earlier draft will reward well-organized and talented scouting departments and expose less-talented, less-informed scouts.With the league streamlining the draft in recent years and moving in the direction of making the first two rounds a prime-time event, the timing of a late-February draft would be excellent in terms of taking place during one of TV’s key sweeps months. It also would be at a relatively dead time in the sports calendar — before college basketball’s March Madness or baseball’s spring training and well before the NBA or NHL playoffs begin.The earlier draft would allow teams to select for need with younger players first, then see what they’ve got in minicamps before deciding whom to pursue in free agency. The system currently encourages teams to fill roster needs with veteran free agents before the draft.Pro days won’t go away. In fact, less-heralded draft-eligible players who aren’t drafted could still hold pro days to showcase their skills when working out with juniors who are being evaluated in anticipation of the following year’s draft. As a result, teams would be encouraged to start collecting information for the next draft as soon as possible and have their scouting departments be prepared to hit the ground running in the fall.Finally, pushing up the draft would naturally create a lengthy break from league business — allowing for ample downtime in May and June — something that many league insiders believe is desperately needed to prevent burnout and the feeling of being on a treadmill that they can’t get off."Some way, somehow, the NFL needs to find a way to give the league more of a break," a top executive told PFW. "It's like a treadmill that keeps getting faster and faster. They need to have a bigger window between the draft and free agency, regardless of which one comes first."Here's my question-------WHY is the meeting held in Dana Point, Ca (Orange County) WHEN there is no friggin NFL team in L.A. ? Huh? What? Huh? Quote
ArmyBengal Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Here's my question-------WHY is the meeting held in Dana Point, Ca (Orange County) WHEN there is no friggin NFL team in L.A. ? Huh? What? Huh?Good restaurants ?? Nice golf courses ?? Neutral site ?? Who knows ?? Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 24, 2009 Author Report Posted March 24, 2009 Here's my question-------WHY is the meeting held in Dana Point, Ca (Orange County) WHEN there is no friggin NFL team in L.A. ? Huh? What? Huh?So our Cali-member Hair could attend? Quote
BengalByTheBay Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Here's my question-------WHY is the meeting held in Dana Point, Ca (Orange County) WHEN there is no friggin NFL team in L.A. ? Huh? What? Huh?Good restaurants ?? Nice golf courses ?? Neutral site ?? Who knows ??you need look no further than billy's sig Quote
ArmyBengal Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Here's my question-------WHY is the meeting held in Dana Point, Ca (Orange County) WHEN there is no friggin NFL team in L.A. ? Huh? What? Huh?Good restaurants ?? Nice golf courses ?? Neutral site ?? Who knows ??you need look no further than billy's sigThey like nice flowering bushes ??Kidding, I kid... Quote
COB Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 "The idea to move the draft to February only ran a 5.3, its pro day was just average, and it is known for having some unsavory friends from its old neighborhood. Plus, as it is now I'm relevant from mid January to April. Move the draft to February, and I barely have a season. It will likely be forced to try to catch on as a free-agent idea." - Noted Blowhard Mel Kiper Jr. Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Posted March 25, 2009 Here's my question-------WHY is the meeting held in Dana Point, Ca (Orange County) WHEN there is no friggin NFL team in L.A. ? Huh? What? Huh?Good restaurants ?? Nice golf courses ?? Neutral site ?? Who knows ??you need look no further than billy's sigS**t. Even I didn't think of that one. Quote
cincy9275 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 One other key factor in holding the draft earlier is that it is likely to limit the amount of input from the head coach and his assistants. It will force teams to rely more on their scouting staffs and personnel departments. The earlier draft will reward well-organized and talented scouting departments and expose less-talented, less-informed scouts.is this a ploy by the nfl, to further embarrass the bengals? Quote
ArmyBengal Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 It will force teams to rely more on their scouting staffs and personnel departments.We're F*CKED !!! Quote
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