Chad STILL wants out!

[HAPPYJAQ]

"He'll give anything to be in my position" is what T.J. told Rich Eisen of the NFL Network that Chad said in a conversation. as he signed with Seattle.

The Bengals should trade this guy for anything they can get.

Around the 1:35 mark:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f0d84c

[JoePong]

That doesn't mean he wants out. By being in TJ's position, he means being able to test his value on the free market and seeing how much people are willing to pay him. Chad has never been a free agent because of the two contract extensions he has signed. So, really that's his own fault.

Again, doesn't mean he wants out of Cincy, just wants a way to get paid what he thinks he is worth.

But this is old news...not a new quote. It's already been brought up.

[Bearcat1975]

is this surprising to anyone?

[Baraka]

is this surprising to anyone?

that even in seattle tj can rile up ocho. not really, i wish he'd just shut up and roll around in all that undeserved cash or something. he got what he wanted leave the commentary for retirement.

[derekshank]

I don't see much to this story... but I hope there is. I hope he does continue to pressure for a trade. If he does so without the use of the media perhaps Brown will give him what he wants. If that happens, I'm a very happy Bengal fan. I no longer have to watch a player I can't stand wear the uniform of the my favorite team. Plus, I think that swapping Chad for a draft pick or two is the best way to rebuild the franchise.

[BengalPimp]

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, and I STILL want Jessica Alba, but we dont always get what we want, now do we?

[TJJackson]

Biggest piece of non-news I've heard all day

He's been begging to leave for well over a year. The only dif is the douchebag and his maggot of a agent decided that playing it to the press was not helping, so they are trying another angle.

[derekshank]

He's been begging to leave for well over a year. The only dif is he and his maggot of a agent decided that playing it to the press was not helping, so they are trying another angle.

I hope it works out for them.

[BengalszoneBilly]

He's been begging to leave for well over a year. The only dif is he and his maggot of a agent decided that playing it to the press was not helping, so they are trying another angle.

I hope it works out for them.

I seriously have my doubts.

[georgeoberer]

CHAD IS GOING NO WHERE!!!!!!!!!

[UF_Gators_15]

I for one like Chad and think that last year was a fluke of a bad year and he can help us, but I also think that if he left then Coles and the yung guns don't scare me as much as Chad and the yung guns.

Plus, I'm tired of Carson having to deal with him and act like he likes him, b/c we all kno Chad is to Carson as TO was to McNabb!

[icehole3]

TJ was on with Doc and he mentioned his friends have been texting him all day saying that Marvin has been talking bad about him. He said Marvin should be careful because he doesnt want to air all of Marvin's dirty laundry, he asked Doc to call him whenever Marvin goes off again so he can get the word out on Marvin, stay tuned.

[HAPPYJAQ]

TJ was on with Doc and he mentioned his friends have been texting him all day saying that Marvin has been talking bad about him. He said Marvin should be careful because he doesnt want to air all of Marvin's dirty laundry, he asked Doc to call him whenever Marvin goes off again so he can get the word out on Marvin, stay tuned.

Yeah, that has been surprising to me, too. I always got the impression that T.J. and a lot of those guys from the '05 team were "Mikey guys". Remember, TJ and Chad were already on the team when Marvin took over. As far as Marvin calling out T.J., that started last season with the hamstring thing and continued through this season when he basically said that their "star players" were not playing like "star players" and now he's alluding to T.J's injury thing again and his lack of yards per catch.

All that said, it's not unusual to see coaches talk down about players who have since left the team.

[Bearcat1975]

CHAD IS GOING NO WHERE!!!!!!!!!

If only the Bengals would stick to the 4 year plan, all of this could be avoided.

[Bearcat1975]

Here is what puzzles me about the WR situation.

As it stands now, the depth chart should read:

Johnson

Coles

Henry

Caldwell

Simpson

If we keep Chad, Caldwell and Simpson get buried at 4 and 5 on the depth chart. No reps = no growth/improvement

Even if we deal Chad, that still puts Caldwell/Simpson as the 3rd WR best case scenario.

So why did we draft 2 WRs we have no plan to use? Wouldn't those picks have been better used on defense, or anywhere else really? I mean, these were the 46th and 97th overall picks. A 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Just seems like a waste to bury them unless the coaching staff thinks they are busts. Which if that is the case, then it comes back to poor talent evaluation by our 4 scouts. Simpson and Calwell are supposed to be the 46th and 97th best players out of college in 2008, if the Bengals staff are doing their jobs properly.

Finally, even if Caldwell and SImpson are the shiznit, having a loaded WR corps.... When you have a green defense with no depth and an oline where you are potentially starting 2 rookies, it just seems like putting all of your eggs in the wrong basket.

[ArmyBengal]

It is a bit confusing, because if you read quotes from Marvin, he says Simpson is going to be HUGE for us this season and then after TJ leaves, opening up that possibility, they bring in Coles burying Simpson once again. On one hand they say Simpson had injuries and that is why he wasn't on the field and then they say he hasn't progressed enough to get the chance. Then you have Caldwell, that by all accounts was the more NFL ready WR between the two and there he is getting buried as well.

I think the competition at the WR position will be very heated with or without Chad in the mix, but agree with your lineup at the position at this point.

[agreen_112]

Here is what puzzles me about the WR situation.

As it stands now, the depth chart should read:

Johnson

Coles

Henry

Caldwell

Simpson

If we keep Chad, Caldwell and Simpson get buried at 4 and 5 on the depth chart. No reps = no growth/improvement

Even if we deal Chad, that still puts Caldwell/Simpson as the 3rd WR best case scenario.

So why did we draft 2 WRs we have no plan to use? Wouldn't those picks have been better used on defense, or anywhere else really? I mean, these were the 46th and 97th overall picks. A 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Just seems like a waste to bury them unless the coaching staff thinks they are busts. Which if that is the case, then it comes back to poor talent evaluation by our 4 scouts. Simpson and Calwell are supposed to be the 46th and 97th best players out of college in 2008, if the Bengals staff are doing their jobs properly.

Finally, even if Caldwell and SImpson are the shiznit, having a loaded WR corps.... When you have a green defense with no depth and an oline where you are potentially starting 2 rookies, it just seems like putting all of your eggs in the wrong basket.

Just look at Green Bay's offense 2 years ago. They used all 5 of their WR's... The Bengals are a throwing team. Hopefully Brat will spread out the offense this year.

[ArmyBengal]

There was an article just recently that I saw (I will have to try to find it) that basically said Marvin and Brat are completely redoing the offensive playbook. Brat was in constant conversation with Carson talking about what plays work and which ones don't. Going back through the years of older playbooks and looking for things done differently and what even worked from those.

I'm hoping we see a different look to our offense this season. This could be Brat's last chance...

[Bearcat1975]

Just look at Green Bay's offense 2 years ago. They used all 5 of their WR's... The Bengals are a throwing team. Hopefully Brat will spread out the offense this year.

Don't get me wrong, the more talent at WR the better.

But a 5WR set is kind of a specialty package. To me it would make more sense to spread the talent around, if that is indeed the case (having talent and not just simply a bust).

[derekshank]

So why did we draft 2 WRs we have no plan to use? Wouldn't those picks have been better used on defense, or anywhere else really? I mean, these were the 46th and 97th overall picks. A 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Well, there could be a couple explanations for it. Don't forget that at draft time last year, Henry was not a part of the team. My guess was that Simpson was an attempt to replace Henry's role on the roster as immediately as possible. The Caldwell pick then was to replace Housh if and when he left.

The Coles signing then means one of two things. Either (as I hope) that they plan on trading Chad, or that one or both of the draft picks are going to take longer to develop, and are not yet NFL ready.

You be the judge. I for one am hoping the young guys get some playing time AND rid themselves of the cancerous influence known as Chad.

[ArmyBengal]

So why did we draft 2 WRs we have no plan to use? Wouldn't those picks have been better used on defense, or anywhere else really? I mean, these were the 46th and 97th overall picks. A 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Well, there could be a couple explanations for it. Don't forget that at draft time last year, Henry was not a part of the team. My guess was that Simpson was an attempt to replace Henry's role on the roster as immediately as possible. The Caldwell pick then was to replace Housh if and when he left.

The Coles signing then means one of two things. Either (as I hope) that they plan on trading Chad, or that one or both of the draft picks are going to take longer to develop, and are not yet NFL ready.

You be the judge. I for one am hoping the young guys get some playing time AND rid themselves of the cancerous influence known as Chad.

Great point about Henry !!!

[gregstephens]

There was an article just recently that I saw (I will have to try to find it) that basically said Marvin and Brat are completely redoing the offensive playbook. Brat was in constant conversation with Carson talking about what plays work and which ones don't. Going back through the years of older playbooks and looking for things done differently and what even worked from those.

I'm hoping we see a different look to our offense this season. This could be Brat's last chance...

Yeah, I heard the 'revamping' is defined as the inclusion of the Statue of Liberty play and the tuning up of the shovel pass for first down.

[derekshank]

So why did we draft 2 WRs we have no plan to use? Wouldn't those picks have been better used on defense, or anywhere else really? I mean, these were the 46th and 97th overall picks. A 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Well, there could be a couple explanations for it. Don't forget that at draft time last year, Henry was not a part of the team. My guess was that Simpson was an attempt to replace Henry's role on the roster as immediately as possible. The Caldwell pick then was to replace Housh if and when he left.

The Coles signing then means one of two things. Either (as I hope) that they plan on trading Chad, or that one or both of the draft picks are going to take longer to develop, and are not yet NFL ready.

You be the judge. I for one am hoping the young guys get some playing time AND rid themselves of the cancerous influence known as Chad.

Great point about Henry !!!

That may be why I believe the Bengals are going to try to trade Chad. I guess I'm just viewing it through a longer timeline. I think back to last year's draft and remember the Simpson pick. Some say it was an attempt to replace Chad... but I don't see that, or else they would have traded Chad last year for a couple 1st rounders.

I think it was obvious with the loss of Henry that the Bengals needed another talented WR. Simpson was an attempt to bring in another very raw and very athletically gifted WR in the Henry mold. The Caldwell pick seemed like a clear attempt to brace for Housh's departure which he had already hinted at.

So, then Henry comes back. Great news if you're considering the overall plan. Now you have Chad, Housh's replacement, Henry, and Henry's replacement. Pretty good shape when you think about the plan... I mean it actually worked out better than hoped, right? So what is with the Coles signing?

In my mind it can only be one of two things. Either the draft picks last year have failed and can't be counted on for even part time duty (which is not the indication you get from Bengals insiders) or it was an attempt at a Chad replacement.

All of this assumes of course that there is an overall plan in the works, which might be giving too much credit.

[HairOnFire]

I always got the impression that T.J. and a lot of those guys from the '05 team were "Mikey guys".

No doubt about it. Read Marvins remarks about focusing on Coles from the very start of FA, how everyone had to be patient watching Mike make one last attempt to keep TJ, and athen fter Coles was inked....a lengthy review of the things he can do that TJ couldn't. Add it all up and I see a head coach who may have wanted TJ back, but was also more than willing to move on.

[BengalByTheBay]

TJ was on with Doc and he mentioned his friends have been texting him all day saying that Marvin has been talking bad about him. He said Marvin should be careful because he doesnt want to air all of Marvin's dirty laundry, he asked Doc to call him whenever Marvin goes off again so he can get the word out on Marvin, stay tuned.

Oh no....a former Bengal that threatens to say more bad things about the team....what are they going to do???? I am far more interested in the Bengals than 99.9% of NFL fans and I could give 2 s***s about what TJ has to say about anything at this point. He is turning into a little girl -- move on. What's he going to do next, text bad things about Marvin to Chad?? Who gives a f**k?