ShulaSteakhouse Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 The Detroit-esque obsession with WR's continues. If they don't make a serious addition or two to the o-line, not sure it matters, and am not sure why they didn't just use a few more bucks to keep TJ. I don't know that Coles is necessarily an upgrade, he's very comparable production-wise and a smaller target.Any ways, they're just carrying on with their same failed cap philosophy of only paying certain positions instead of spreading $ around and using the draft the right way. I thought they drafted 3 WR's last year for a reason....Whatever...they need to upgrade the o-line with something other than mid-round picks and projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Agree... I'm happy with the Coles signing and he pushes the draft as well. The thing is, not getting Coles still didn't dictate the Bengals using a day one pick on a WR due to their depth. NOT signing Benson made RB a first or second rounder at the latest along with a 4th. Now we can wait until late in the 3rd or 4th.I like both signings, but Benson's signing had a bigger impact on freeing up the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 4. Signing Coles means that Chris Henry and Antonio Chatman will be fighting for the 5th and final roster spot, unless one of the other receivers has a break-out Summer, this allowing the team to trade Chad for a pick/s in '10That one won't be close. Henry needs to be on the field to stretch the defense. Barring incarceration/suspension, he's the #3 receiver. In fact, if Henry ever gets his head straight, he will emerge as the #1 receiver. He's younger and faster than Chad, runs good routes, and has good hands. Oh, and he'll actually block in the running game, unlike some candyasses I know.Only thing keeping Cheech from being a truly great receiver is his head. Keep him the hell out of a car and away from minors and firearms, he has a real chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 To start, love the signing as it DOES keep us from drafting a WR in the first, EVEN IF WE TRADE CHAD...Next, it does open the chances of trading Chad and I won't be suprised if it does or doesn't happen. Having Chad is a nice thought if he and Carson on the same page and our WR corps is once again, pretty deep. Trading Chad only means they really do have the faith in the youngsters. Those saying this move says they have little faith in the youngsters, I say wait to see what happens.Next, saying TJ is going to fail and get cut next year makes you sound like all the Jets fans saying the same thing about Coles coming here. While I believe TJ is not going to have the kind of year he would have here with Carson, I can't see his production falling off to such an extent that I would call him a failure and no way does he get cut after one year. Just wont happen...Benson's signing makes me VERY happy as well Hair. The draft options took a HUGE turn and that impact will pay BIG dividends...I believe Coles was a starter when he played for the Jets. He was double covered because he was the one to watch. To have him and Chad on the field at once is going to be a very good thing to see. Also, we will see how great TJ is in double coverage every down. That alone will make his numbers drop significantly.I also agree about Benson. I am a big fan of keeping him here since he knows our system already, and can spend his time on improvement and not education.I really don't think you need to double cover a guy that can't beat you deep. His production won't fall from what it was last year, but he won't return to his 07 numbers ever again. He will have some serious issues if Hasselback's back starts acting up again.Their is a possibility the Hawks draft a rookie QB in round 1 and if that happens he won't be happy. I don't envision him getting cut though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Good signing they needed someone, but they are still so week in the O-LINE they better start looking there.IMO they're waiting on the draft for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 4. Signing Coles means that Chris Henry and Antonio Chatman will be fighting for the 5th and final roster spot, unless one of the other receivers has a break-out Summer, this allowing the team to trade Chad for a pick/s in '10That one won't be close. Henry needs to be on the field to stretch the defense. Barring incarceration/suspension, he's the #3 receiver. In fact, if Henry ever gets his head straight, he will emerge as the #1 receiver. He's younger and faster than Chad, runs good routes, and has good hands. Oh, and he'll actually block in the running game, unlike some candyasses I know.Only thing keeping Cheech from being a truly great receiver is his head. Keep him the hell out of a car and away from minors and firearms, he has a real chance.Are you and Mike Brown related? I agree he has talent, but he will never be a number one receiver in this league because he won't ever pull his head out of his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 4. Signing Coles means that Chris Henry and Antonio Chatman will be fighting for the 5th and final roster spot, unless one of the other receivers has a break-out Summer, this allowing the team to trade Chad for a pick/s in '10That one won't be close. Henry needs to be on the field to stretch the defense. Barring incarceration/suspension, he's the #3 receiver. In fact, if Henry ever gets his head straight, he will emerge as the #1 receiver. He's younger and faster than Chad, runs good routes, and has good hands. Oh, and he'll actually block in the running game, unlike some candyasses I know.Only thing keeping Cheech from being a truly great receiver is his head. Keep him the hell out of a car and away from minors and firearms, he has a real chance.Are you and Mike Brown related? I agree he has talent, but he will never be a number one receiver in this league because he won't ever pull his head out of his ass.To say he won't be a #1 in this league isn't all together impossible. He's stayed out of trouble, has the size, speed, hands, and blocking ability that teams covet in a WR. I agree that he hasn't shown anything near maturity, but he's stayed out of trouble recently and that's a start for him. He's also nearing the end of his rookie contract and knows all the money he lost early on could be regained if he comes out and has a stellar season. That in and of itself is a really good reason he's back out in California getting things together for this coming season.Henry is a dumbass, but a dumbass with a ton of talent. Lets hope it's FULLY realized with the Bengals this coming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Am I the only one who feels like Coles isn't meant to be Housh's replacement? There is no one on the roster looks to me like a possession WR, and that concerns me a little... and that addition of Coles doesn't improve that situation. Coles looks much more like a Chad replacement to me. I'm not sure that Caldwell or Simpson are the slot/possession receiver types... but I do think that the number of WR's on this roster that can stretch the field make Chad very much more expendable. Coles, Henry, Caldwell, Simpson, Chatman. Not necessarily in that order... but those are the 5 WR's I'd like to see on the roster. I think that the Coles signing has the Bengals poised to trade Chad now more than ever. Even if they had resigned Housh, he's not a Chad type player. But Coles is more that type of player. I hope they trade Chad, can get an early draft pick and rebuild this team. That's what I'm hoping for at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeoberer Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Not to knock TJ but this is an upgrade for less money. I'll probably get bashed for this but Coles is a number one, Chad isn't going anywhere and now we have two number ones. Coles is going to be crazy good with Palmer throwing him the ball. If they figure out the O-line this team is going to the playoffs. Say what you want but the team is making the right moves bottom line. TJ is going to regret leaving while he's sitting on the coach watching Coles catch passes in the playoffs. Goo luck TJ but you made the wrong choice mark my words! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Am I the only one who feels like Coles isn't meant to be Housh's replacement? There is no one on the roster looks to me like a possession WR, and that concerns me a little... and that addition of Coles doesn't improve that situation. Coles looks much more like a Chad replacement to me.We don't need a possession receiver, if we have a decent TE......Oops!Chad , Coles, and Henry is a STRONG group on paper, and something tells me this passing game will explode next season. TJ will DEFINATELY be missed, but I think this signing takes away a lot of the hurt.The thing I dont get? They're both 31, and it looks like the difference in the contracts was only 1yr and roughly $12 million. basically 5 years at $8 mill per, or 4 yrs at $7 mill per....??????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 SWEET EDIT THIS POST TO SIGNED COLESYOU NEED JUST GONE HEAD AND SHAKE YO TAIL FETHA .CAUSE ITS SO EARLY ,GET YOUR PANTIESOUT A BUNCH AND MAN UP THEY DID A LOT MORE ACTIVITY IN FREE AGENCY THEN THEY HAVE IN A LONGTIMEWE NEED A BACKUP QB TO WAT IF THEY SIGN REX I GUESS DATS DA END OF THE SEASON MY POINT IS I SEEN US DO MUCH WORSER DO ANYONE AGREEF***K IT MAYBE ITS JUST ME IM THRU WITH MY BLOOD PRESSURE GETN HIGH NOW IM GOING TO SEAT IN DA BACKSEAT N LET MRS DAISY DRIVE.Taking Coles locks up our air game. No need to address it throughout the entire draft. We take the best DE/LB/OLB with 6, Best OL with 2nd, next best OL with 3rd.Are you after my heart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I'm not a TJ hater. I'm really not.But if Coles shows up for voluntaries, then I like him better already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I'm not a TJ hater. I'm really not.But if Coles shows up for voluntaries, then I like him better already. But how will you feel if Cole shows up dressed as Flava Flav, passes out handfuls of Big Macs and Quarter Pounders, and then announces his plans to race a horse for charity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Caldwell is the possession receiver, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Caldwell is the possession receiver,Fair enough... but his durability issues are a major concern to me. And they have no back-up plan for that. If he's out for a couple games, you're left with a bunch of WR's whose primary strength is running down the sideline.But that's exactly why I don't think the Bengals need Chad that much anymore. If they can get a 1st round pick for him, a pick on defense or the O-Line will probably be more valuable to the Bengals roster than Chad is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Caldwell is the possession receiver,Fair enough... but his durability issues are a major concern to me. And they have no back-up plan for that. If he's out for a couple games, you're left with a bunch of WR's whose primary strength is running down the sideline.But that's exactly why I don't think the Bengals need Chad that much anymore. If they can get a 1st round pick for him, a pick on defense or the O-Line will probably be more valuable to the Bengals roster than Chad is.I mean to say I think that's the plan the Bengals have. I agree, one injury and we suddenly have a hole in that dept. Still, maybe CHenry or Coles can handle the possession gig for a couple of games? RE: the bolded part. I completely agree. Especially the King Douche Chad of last yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I was doing a bit of reading on Coles. I had no idea he was as fast as he is. In his 40-yard dash he apparently had an "unofficial" 4.16 @ Florida State and a 4.29 according to the Jets Media Guide.I know 40 yard dash times are not all that important to being a good football player... but damn - that's fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Caldwell is the possession receiver,Fair enough... but his durability issues are a major concern to me. And they have no back-up plan for that. If he's out for a couple games, you're left with a bunch of WR's whose primary strength is running down the sideline.But that's exactly why I don't think the Bengals need Chad that much anymore. If they can get a 1st round pick for him, a pick on defense or the O-Line will probably be more valuable to the Bengals roster than Chad is.Brat better figure out how to use those passcatching TE's we signed & drafted last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I was doing a bit of reading on Coles. I had no idea he was as fast as he is. In his 40-yard dash he apparently had an "unofficial" 4.16 @ Florida State and a 4.29 according to the Jets Media Guide.I know 40 yard dash times are not all that important to being a good football player... but damn - that's fast.Yes, Coles was very well known for his blazing speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I love the signing. We had too many positions of need going into the draft and this erases one of them (though I didn't think WR a terribly pressing need, I bet the Bengals did). Keeping Benson is nice too, so let's focus on the lines. A shiny new OT at 6 would make me smile, unless the draft doesn't shake out favorably in the top five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 The Detroit-esque obsession with WR's continues. If they don't make a serious addition or two to the o-line, not sure it matters, and am not sure why they didn't just use a few more bucks to keep TJ. I don't know that Coles is necessarily an upgrade, he's very comparable production-wise and a smaller target.Any ways, they're just carrying on with their same failed cap philosophy of only paying certain positions instead of spreading $ around and using the draft the right way. I thought they drafted 3 WR's last year for a reason....Whatever...they need to upgrade the o-line with something other than mid-round picks and projects.The big reason I see is that TJ wanted out of Cinci and Coles wanted out of NY, good fit for both WR's and the teams that got them. I cant say that I am excited to see Coles sign, but a vet with hands and proven ability was needed to replace what was lost in TJ. I think both TJ and Coles are risks due to age and both maybe slowly going downhill from here on in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 But that's exactly why I don't think the Bengals need Chad that much anymore. If they can get a 1st round pick for him, a pick on defense or the O-Line will probably be more valuable to the Bengals roster than Chad is.Couldn't have said it better myself !!! Well done my friend !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I was doing a bit of reading on Coles. I had no idea he was as fast as he is. In his 40-yard dash he apparently had an "unofficial" 4.16 @ Florida State and a 4.29 according to the Jets Media Guide.I know 40 yard dash times are not all that important to being a good football player... but damn - that's fast.He is a 95 speed on Madden 2009.......lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I was doing a bit of reading on Coles. I had no idea he was as fast as he is. In his 40-yard dash he apparently had an "unofficial" 4.16 @ Florida State and a 4.29 according to the Jets Media Guide.I know 40 yard dash times are not all that important to being a good football player... but damn - that's fast.He is a 95 speed on Madden 2009.......lol!"puts him inplace of kickoff returner instead of TJ" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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