Improvement of the team thus far

[BengalszoneBilly]

All things considered I doubt very much Dockett's success or Henry and Thurman's failures have anything to do with their respective owners or coaches.

I can't say I agree here bro. Maybe it's my military background, but I feel it's a leaders responsibility to maintain proper conduct among his troops/players. It would be hard for me to give our owner/coaching staff a pass on this because the signs were there ahead of time on both Thurman and especially Henry.

I won't say that if these two were dropped into my lap that I would have done any better, but I would have been more aggressive in the monitoring of their off field actions.

That being said I'd love to have Odell back on the field.

[combatbengal]

Fact is, I like watching pro football, and the Bengals are my home team. I will praise their good decisions, and bash their stupid decisions. If I come off as more negative than positive, consider that a testiment to the Bengals making far more stupid decisions than smart ones.

Perfectly said. But if you do indeed write the good with the bad then you're not the type of poster I was addressing my question towards. Rather, I'm asking the always negative Mike Brown bleating s**theals why they remain on this message board when new websites have sprouted who are devoted specifically towards their needs?

For example, if you insist every Bengal related bit of fluff and news is first passed through a "Mike Brown Sucks" filter, well.....there's a website for that, right? Granted, it's a crappy worthless site that only seems to have 4 or 5 members, but an enterprising young prig could take over a board like that in a week. So why remain here?

Or how about those of you who think your negativity is a weapon that will force change on the evil overlord? Why not add your mewling voice to the chorus of a**h***s at WDR? Why remain here? Why would you willingly rub shoulders with so many lemmings?

Go. Seek out your own kind.

For the record, Imy post are not all negative. I've defended TJ! I defended Chad last year. I defended our improving def. The point of this threat is that other teams have already cleaned house to improve for next season. They've replaced GM's, replaced coaches (some coaches who have gotten their teams to the SB), cut players, eetc. All I'm saying is that we haven't done to much as usual. Last year, we thought that we'd be active during FA and we ddin't do much. This year, we're hoping the same. Time will only tell.

[GregCook]

Fact is, I like watching pro football, and the Bengals are my home team. I will praise their good decisions, and bash their stupid decisions. If I come off as more negative than positive, consider that a testiment to the Bengals making far more stupid decisions than smart ones.

Perfectly said. But if you do indeed write the good with the bad then you're not the type of poster I was addressing my question towards. Rather, I'm asking the always negative Mike Brown bleating s**theals why they remain on this message board when new websites have sprouted who are devoted specifically towards their needs?

For example, if you insist every Bengal related bit of fluff and news is first passed through a "Mike Brown Sucks" filter, well.....there's a website for that, right? Granted, it's a crappy worthless site that only seems to have 4 or 5 members, but an enterprising young prig could take over a board like that in a week. So why remain here?

Or how about those of you who think your negativity is a weapon that will force change on the evil overlord? Why not add your mewling voice to the chorus of a**h***s at WDR? Why remain here? Why would you willingly rub shoulders with so many lemmings?

Go. Seek out your own kind.

For the record, Imy post are not all negative. I've defended TJ! I defended Chad last year. I defended our improving def. The point of this threat is that other teams have already cleaned house to improve for next season. They've replaced GM's, replaced coaches (some coaches who have gotten their teams to the SB), cut players, eetc. All I'm saying is that we haven't done to much as usual. Last year, we thought that we'd be active during FA and we ddin't do much. This year, we're hoping the same. Time will only tell.

The Bengals were at their best in 2005 with a half Dick Lebeau, half(or less) Marvin Lewis team. Its only gotten worse as Marvin puts his finger prints on the team. Improvement starts with him. Brat laid a turd last season and he's still there. Basically rewarding failure, much like our government.

[ArmyBengal]

Its only gotten worse as Marvin puts his finger prints on the team. Improvement starts with him.

While I will be more than willing to find fault in some of the things Marvin has done, there are still things that aren't entirely his fault. Sure there were risks taken with the likes of Odell and Henry, but other teams take the same risks they have. Unfortunately for the Bengals, they got burned. What about Pollack ?? That injury was a huge blow for the Bengals. My point is, with the loss of Pollack and Odell, it set this defense back another year or two easily and cost coaches their jobs due to the defense to figure things out.

Who ultimately made the decisions in regards to the o-line ?? Was it Marvin ?? I'm sure he had a part to play in the deterioration of the o-line, but that's also what you have position coaches giving input for as well. Losing Steinbach was the start of it for me. It just kept getting worse.

I will say with the improvement of the defense, if they can fix the o-line, this team will be back in the mix again.

I just don't see it all as Marvin's fault. Some see it differently...

[HairOnFire]

The Bengals were at their best in 2005 with a half Dick Lebeau, half(or less) Marvin Lewis team. Its only gotten worse as Marvin puts his finger prints on the team.

Bull. Take a look at last years meltdown and tell me which players fingerprints you see most. If you come up with any name besides Chad you need to start over and try again.

[TJJackson]

tell me which players fingerprints you see most

Chad had so many drops last year that I doubt he left many fingerprints that could be examined

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I'd guess it comes down to a simple difference in personalities. And by that I mean there are character risks and then there are character risks. Guys who screw up in completely normal deviant ways or guys who go on a truly unique months long multi-state meltdown.

That's what separates your typical half-ass degenerate from a hall-of-famer like Hunter S. Thompson.

[HAPPYJAQ]

As far as "character issues" are concerned, the Bengals have both hit home runs and struck out in taking chances on players who were red flagged by other teams, due to questions about their character and integrity. Some notable home runs (based on their production as Cincinnati Bengals) include Carl Pickens, Darnay Scott, Corey Dillon, Chad and T.J. None of those guys were 1st round picks.

Hell, T.J. was an admitted drug dealer in his youth and didn't even graduate from high school.

Just a week ago, it seemed everyone thought the team might fold without him.

[HairOnFire]

Just a week ago, it seemed everyone thought the team might fold without him.

The reaction to TJ's remark about there being a less than 10% chance he would return reminded me of a familiar breakup scene where the wife screams...."You never really loved me!"

[agreen_112]

The Bengals were at their best in 2005 with a half Dick Lebeau, half(or less) Marvin Lewis team. Its only gotten worse as Marvin puts his finger prints on the team.

Bull. Take a look at last years meltdown and tell me which players fingerprints you see most. If you come up with any name besides Chad you need to start over and try again.

Endthedrought says this teams problem is all marvin.. HOF says last years problem was all chad??

I can see where one would point to the head coach and say the blame is all on him, because ultimately you're only as good as your coaching. That's in any sport.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but for HOF to say that last years "meltdown" can all be blamed on Chad is just down right dumb.

With all the injuries this team has sustained over the course of the last few seasons, there is no way you can put the blame of a losing season on one player. Again, maybe I read it (HOF's post) wrong, or maybe I'm missing his point, but to me it looks like he's blaming Chad for last seasons "meltdown."

If so, HOF, you need to learn sports my fine friend.

We lost our QB1 for christ's sake and he was just one of the decimating injuries we suffered. Name a team that wins with a Ryan Fitspansy as a backup, it's not like we had a Tom Brady or a Kurt Warner backup.

Oh yeah, TJJackson, quit riding HOF's coat-tails man. You look like a kiss ass every time you do so. Chad Johnson catches passes, he wouldn't be an all-pro if not.. Every WR drops balls, but you wouldn't know what that's like since you've never played football in your life.

[HoTbOy]

The Bengals were at their best in 2005 with a half Dick Lebeau, half(or less) Marvin Lewis team. Its only gotten worse as Marvin puts his finger prints on the team.

Bull. Take a look at last years meltdown and tell me which players fingerprints you see most. If you come up with any name besides Chad you need to start over and try again.

Endthedrought says this teams problem is all marvin.. HOF says last years problem was all chad??

I can see where one would point to the head coach and say the blame is all on him, because ultimately you're only as good as your coaching. That's in any sport.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but for HOF to say that last years "meltdown" can all be blamed on Chad is just down right dumb.

With all the injuries this team has sustained over the course of the last few seasons, there is no way you can put the blame of a losing season on one player. Again, maybe I read it (HOF's post) wrong, or maybe I'm missing his point, but to me it looks like he's blaming Chad for last seasons "meltdown."

If so, HOF, you need to learn sports my fine friend.

We lost our QB1 for christ's sake and he was just one of the decimating injuries we suffered. Name a team that wins with a Ryan Fitspansy as a backup, it's not like we had a Tom Brady or a Kurt Warner backup.

Oh yeah, TJJackson, quit riding HOF's coat-tails man. You look like a kiss ass every time you do so. Chad Johnson catches passes, he wouldn't be an all-pro if so.. Every WR drops balls, but you wouldn't know what that's like since you've never played football in your life.

[TJJackson]

Chad Johnson catches passes, he wouldn't be an all-pro if so

Sorry, I totally missed that he made the pro bowl this year.

Did he start, or was he an alternate?

[agreen_112]

Chad Johnson catches passes, he wouldn't be an all-pro if so

Sorry, I totally missed that he made the pro bowl this year.

Did he start, or was he an alternate?

TJ, did you get the memo? Palmer only played 3 games dodo... Again, learn the sport!

[HoTbOy]

If we were the NY Giants, and after what happened to them when PBurress shot himself then I would say 1 man cost them a chance at the SB, but CJohnson didn't even get that chance because he didn't have his QB to throw him the ball along with no running game...CJohnson offseason antics didn't help, along with the many dropped balls, but he was not the total reason for the things that happened this past season...I still think that the various injuries had alot to do with it....

[cincy9275]

so tired of all the bs excuses, years of terrible management of this team by owner and coaches is the results of what is going on now period!

[ArmyBengal]

Is Chad a distraction to this team ?? I would say "yes" with very little hesitation, but I wouldn't say he's the biggest reason for the problems this team incurred last season. You need not look any further than the play of the o-line, which in turn led to Carson getting beat up and out for the remainder of the season. After those two things, then sure let the debate rage between Chad, Marvin , or anyone else you choose to throw in the mix...

[agreen_112]

so tired of all the bs excuses, years of terrible management of this team by owner and coaches is the results of what is going on now period!

True statement..

[agreen_112]

Is Chad a distraction to this team ?? I would say "yes" with very little hesitation, but I wouldn't say he's the biggest reason for the problems this team incurred last season. You need not look any further than the play of the o-line, which in turn led to Carson getting beat up and out for the remainder of the season. After those two things, then sure let the debate rage between Chad, Marvin , or anyone else you choose to throw in the mix...

And why was our o-line s**t? BECAUSE of management. Letting Steiny walk was our downfall.

[HairOnFire]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but for HOF to say that last years "meltdown" can all be blamed on Chad is just down right dumb.

Reading comprehension problem? I didn't say or imply that "all" could be blamed on Chad. Rather, I said his fingerprints were all over last seasons meltdown more than any other player. Big difference, ehh? But what the heck, you're on a roll so let's see where you go.

We lost our QB1 for christ's sake and he was just one of the decimating injuries we suffered. Name a team that wins with a Ryan Fitspansy as a backup, it's not like we had a Tom Brady or a Kurt Warner backup.

Chad's "fingerprints" were all over last season's dismal start long before Ryan Fitzpatrick stepped on the field. In fact, Chad started fingering the 08 meltdown in January, and for the next 6 or 7 months attempted to burn every bridge leading back to River City. Oh, and then he tanked the season....so there's that too.

If so, HOF, you need to learn sports my fine friend.

And you need to learn people. Chad spent the better part of a half year waging open warfare on this team and then followed that trick up by deliberately tanking the season. So how does a smart guy like you miss something like that? And getting back to an earlier point, Marvin inherited Chad and all of the problems and baggage that came with him.

Oh yeah, TJJackson, quit riding HOF's coat-tails man. You look like a kiss ass every time you do so.

Well, now that you mention it, Greenie, I hope my new pal Jungle appreciates the heroic way you've rushed into the fray. You two kids deserve to be happy and I sincerely hope everything works out for you both. Best wishes.

[Bearcat1975]

All things considered I doubt very much Dockett's success or Henry and Thurman's failures have anything to do with their respective owners or coaches.

Agreed.

But I wonder if it has to do with the cities they live in.

In some cities, some cops might let an NFL player walk away from potentially damaging charges.

Not Cincinnati.

But I wonder if Henry would have gotten a few free passes in other cities, as opposed to the treatment he gets in Censornati.

[bengals7833]

What has the Bengal’s done to improve for next season. Let’s see, since the last game of the season, They;

- haven’t hired a GM - We already have a GM

- haven’t expanded the scouting team - We don't need to. We already did that a while back. We had a great draft and picked up guys like benson, Crocker, B Johnson etc who had big impacts. Looks like talent evaluation is not a problem

- haven’t made any changes to the coaching or support staff - That's a good thing.

- resigned Dan Coats - So?

- placed the franchise tag on Graham which says good bye to Houshmandzadeh’s - We keep the best kicker inour history and decide not to spend $10 million on a cancer who wants out Another positive

- acquired punter Ryan Plackemeier on waivers Friday from the Washington Redskins. - Everyone keeps complaining we need competition for Larson

- Determined that Palmer won’t need surgery on his elbow. - More great news!

- ummm, that’s it, right? -Probably not. I'm sure there's a lot you don't know.

Looks like we’re off to a great start at fixing deficiencies and on our way to the play offs. Very possibly I’m getting really excited. Are you?

Oh, I forgot

- The chin predicted that the Bengal’s would be in the playoffs this upcoming season. Can we start partying now?

hey dumb f**k tj is not a cancer on this team. i can understand not resigning him, but to say he is cancer makes you a idiot

[Thurmanation]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but for HOF to say that last years "meltdown" can all be blamed on Chad is just down right dumb.

Reading comprehension problem? I didn't say or imply that "all" could be blamed on Chad. Rather, I said his fingerprints were all over last seasons meltdown more than any other player. Big difference, ehh? But what the heck, you're on a roll so let's see where you go.

We lost our QB1 for christ's sake and he was just one of the decimating injuries we suffered. Name a team that wins with a Ryan Fitspansy as a backup, it's not like we had a Tom Brady or a Kurt Warner backup.

Chad's "fingerprints" were all over last season's dismal start long before Ryan Fitzpatrick stepped on the field. In fact, Chad started fingering the 08 meltdown in January, and for the next 6 or 7 months attempted to burn every bridge leading back to River City. Oh, and then he tanked the season....so there's that too.

If so, HOF, you need to learn sports my fine friend.

And you need to learn people. Chad spent the better part of a half year waging open warfare on this team and then followed that trick up by deliberately tanking the season. So how does a smart guy like you miss something like that? And getting back to an earlier point, Marvin inherited Chad and all of the problems and baggage that came with him.

Oh yeah, TJJackson, quit riding HOF's coat-tails man. You look like a kiss ass every time you do so.

Well, now that you mention it, Greenie, I hope my new pal Jungle appreciates the heroic way you've rushed into the fray. You two kids deserve to be happy and I sincerely hope everything works out for you both. Best wishes.

I sincerely hope you stop talking like a fool so when i read your mumble i don't get annoyed. By the way, Chad didn't "tank" the season. When you double cover a teams number one receiver and have a back up throwing the ball, that receiver won't have the stats of a number one receiver.

[volcom69]

Chad was horrible, and weather or not he tanked the season or not his head was not in the game. He needs to learn its a team sport, and he needs to really find himself, before i have respect for him again.

[HairOnFire]

I sincerely hope you stop talking like a fool so when i read your mumble i don't get annoyed.

Don't read 'em. Your opinion doesn't mean anything to me and mine doesn't mean anything to you. So stop whining like a bitch and get on with the task of ignoring me.

By the way, Chad didn't "tank" the season.

Yeah, he did but you've probably got to much of a schoolgirl crush on Chad to figure it out. But what the heck, read Marvins most recent remarks about how Chad didn't do jacks**t to prepare for the 08 season. Maybe you'll fgure it out this time.

[ArmyBengal]

hey dumb f**k tj is not a cancer on this team. i can understand not resigning him, but to say he is cancer makes you a idiot

Hey big guy, why don't you try posting more than 15 times before you make an appearance by calling someone a dumbf*ck ??

Whatever your opinion is on TJ is just that, YOUR opinion. TJ being a cancer is his and seeing as how TJ has been lying to the entire Bengal fanbase for the past 3 years puts him real close, if not right in the "cancer" camp. A disgruntled player can't be anywhere near a positive influence on any team.