HoosierCat Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 ...what do we do at 38?Stick with OL and draft best available center?Replace Thornton?Try for a pass rush off the edge?Change-of-pace back (or possibly bell-cow, depending)?Ugrade Mike or Sam?Trade the pick for a cheeseburger and a Bud Light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 ...what do we do at 38?Stick with OL and draft best available center?Replace Thornton?Try for a pass rush off the edge?Change-of-pace back (or possibly bell-cow, depending)?Ugrade Mike or Sam?Trade the pick for a cheeseburger and a Bud Light?Trade down for a third and a fourth.What about that? I'd go bpa at #38 unless that happens to be a QB. Then second bpa.Funny though about bpa. It always seems that positions of need are always addressed in the draft. Fortunately for the Bengals almost every position is one of need. So Mike and Marvin can be purists I think, bpa it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well depends what we do in FA if we get a vet center and alex mack is off the board<which i'm sure he will be>...So I'd say BPA of top 5 positions of need maybe Michael Johnson or Laurinaitis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 ...what do we do at 38?Trade the pick for a cheeseburger and a Bud Light?Anything less than a Double-Cheeseburger, Fries, And an IMPORTED Beer would be an insult....c'mon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Best player available. Team has too many needs.Things I wouldn't mind seeing in general:*Line, line, and more line. Both of 'em.*Physical CB*RB who can play a role in the passing game if Glass Perry can't do anything useful*Decent TE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Trade down or continue the o-line rebuilding project and take the best Center on the board... BPA is great, but when you can get the #2 center in the draft that will make an immediate impact on the biggest glaring hole on the team, you do it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 First thought? Consider trading up to secure any prospect you consider vital to this teams immediate success. For example, if Alex Mack is clearly the best center prospect in this draft AND the only option who really fits what you're looking for...go get him. Same thing applies to pass rusher. Or if an outstanding prospect who just so happens to play a position of crushing need and was expected to go much earlier is somehow still available at 32 or 33...don't expect him to fall to 38. Get up there. Burn a 3rd rounder if you have to. Or don't. If there isn't a guy this team simply has to have then stay push the whole lot of them through a giant need filter and select the guy who emerges on the other side. Pass rusher. Offensive lineman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Trade up ?? Now that would be something. Looking at the trade value chart and what would be needed to trade back up, I just can't see the Bengals doing it, but I would be more than happy to see a trade back into the bottom of the first to get Mack. I also like thinking about being an astronaut someday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Don't forget the compensatory picks the Bengals may get. These extra picks may influence the Bengals decision on whether to bundle picks and trade up, reach for players of need, or even trade down for more picks. I know you can't trade compensatory picks, but if for example the Bengals get a third rounder for Justin Smith, or say a fifth rounder for Madieu, then that makes their first pick in the fourth round or their first pick in the sixth round more expendable. I do believe the Bengals will get at least 2 compensatory picks this year. Now with the question at hand, with the pick in the second, I would trade up and get a piece of the deep classes at either center or LB. Then again it depends how the draft shakes out and if those players fall to the Bengals in the first place wihtout giving something up. The most important thing is the Bengals need to quit sitting on their hands on draft day and go get the players they need instead of choosing from a picked over group of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Looking at the trade value chart and what would be needed to trade back up, I just can't see the Bengals doing it, but I would be more than happy to see a trade back into the bottom of the first to get Mack. Start with the value of the 38th pick. 520 points. Now pick your sweetner. A 5th round pick adds 39 points and gets you to 559. The value of the 34th slot is 560. You're there. A 4th round pick adds 92 points and gets you to 612. The value of the 31st slot is 600. The value of the 30th slot is 620. You're there. Burn a 3rd? Well that's just crazy talk, but it gets you to 760....and that's equal value for the 23 hole. Just saying.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Consider trading up to secure any prospect you consider vital to this teams immediate success.Trade *up*? That's comedy. That'll be a cold day in the boiler room at PBS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Trade *up*? That's comedy. True, but why else do we remain Bengal fans if not for the comedy? Thus, handy "lets trade up" related punchlines like...(wait for it).......Ki-Jana. Ba-dink-bonk!* *Rimshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Mike Brown is a hell of a shot for a Turkey hunter, his problem is shooting in the wrong season. Look at his trophies on his Bengal office mantel...Ki Jana, Chris Perry, Akili, Klingler, Pollack so I never misunderestimated his drafts. I doubt they want to break in a rookie center next season so I don't think they'll take one in round 2. More likely is to move Bobbie Williams over to C then draft a guard, DE, RB, DT, WR, LB or CB in round 2 and look for a center during the second day. Not like they couldn't just take bpa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 on't forget the compensatory picks the Bengals may get. These extra picks may influence the Bengals decision on whether to bundle picks and trade up, reach for players of need, or even trade down for more picks. I know you can't trade compensatory picks, but if for example the Bengals get a third rounder for Justin Smith, or say a fifth rounder for Madieu, then that makes their first pick in the fourth round or their first pick in the sixth round more expendable. I do believe the Bengals will get at least 2 compensatory picks this year. We signed odom though who more likely cancels out the pick we get for madieu... justin probably gets us a 4th rounder maybe 3rd but i think a 4th...if we don't get a center in FA I would be fine with them burning 2nd and 4th for alex though I do think we need as many picks available but think think theres a bigger gap between Mack and 2# center then people were saying earlier on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I don't think you'll see Bobbie at Center, simply for the reason that Marvin really, really did not like the so-called "jurassic line". He even got angry when some reporter brougt it up, and his exact response was something very close to "we've seen ENOUGH of that" twice.I will again predict that either a) we draft a center high as their heir apparent, or Andrew Crummey will be taking snaps (no pun intended) at Center in minicamps this spring, and will be given every chance to win the job outright. in either case1) I don't see either of the two backups as even in the picture. 2) Ghiaciuc is 50/50 to be retained, but even then only cheaply and as a backup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I think Center is the most glaring need we have and I don't think we will be able to fill it adequately in FA so if Unger or Mack are available at 38 I would think that we would have to pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 .... justin probably gets us a 4th rounder maybe 3rd but i think a 4th... My guess as well. ....but think think theres a bigger gap between Mack and 2# center then people were saying earlier on. I'm guessing the decision would be based more on who fits what they're looking for in a replacement and who doesn't. For example, when they went shopping for a replacement for Steinbach they first made it known what they were looking for, and then went out and found a bigger more rugged blocker in Whitworth. Perfect match, right? So what are they looking for as a replacement/upgrade for Ghiacuic? And in the coming draft, who fits that profile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Agree that center is the Bengals biggest need. My preference would be to sign a vet, with Brown, Saturday, and Birk by order of preference. From watching the senior bowl, I have doubts about Mack or Unger as possible centers for the Bengals. Mack is mobile but probably not strong enough to handle Ngata, Rogers, and Hampton. Unger is probably better suited at guard or tackle. Of the centers at the game, I'd take Woods as the most physical albeit not the most mobile. He'll certainly be available at 38 and perhaps in the 3rd round too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Mack is VERY physical go back and watch his college tapes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Agree that center is the Bengals biggest need. My preference would be to sign a vet, with Brown, Saturday, and Birk by order of preference. From watching the senior bowl, I have doubts about Mack or Unger as possible centers for the Bengals. Mack is mobile but probably not strong enough to handle Ngata, Rogers, and Hampton. Unger is probably better suited at guard or tackle.Mack is one one of the largest centers in the draft if i'm not mistaken And is known for his strength,quickness and aggressive play with a nasty tendency ...If you would not want mack who would be a better fit in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Agree that center is the Bengals biggest need. My preference would be to sign a vet, with Brown, Saturday, and Birk by order of preference. From watching the senior bowl, I have doubts about Mack or Unger as possible centers for the Bengals. Mack is mobile but probably not strong enough to handle Ngata, Rogers, and Hampton. Unger is probably better suited at guard or tackle.Mack is one one of the largest centers in the draft if i'm not mistaken And is known for his strength,quickness and aggressive play with a nasty tendency ...If you would not want mack who would be a better fit in your opinion? As I said in the post you replied too, my choice would be Woods. Raji and Brace got lots of props for being dominant during the practice week when they were facing Mack and Unger. They didn't look very dominant in the game itself when facing Woods, Caldwell, and Luigs. Mack has good quickness and is certainly bright. I just question his strength. We've already seen how a decently quick but not strong enough guy does as the Bengals center. If we could convince the other AFCN teams to abandon the 3-4 and use 4-3 DTs like Thornton, then Mack would be fine. In the real world, where we face 6 games a year vs very good NTs, we need a strong center who can move them or at least hold his ground vs their charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) So because mack had few bad practices vs raji in drills more tailored for defenses cancels out his production his entire college career?I wouldn't mind woods but if I had choice getting mack or woods in draft would go with mack.Not often see highlight video on a center but here ya go52 seconds he pulls and creams 3 defenders himself. Edited January 31, 2009 by Bengalszone Billy Formatted for YouTube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hair, I know what you were saying about the trade chart and agree, I just don't see the Bengals having enough forethought to pull that off. To tell you the truth, there;s not to much that would make me happier than to see one of the top defenders taken at #6 and then see the Bengals actually make the move into the botom of the 1st to go get Mack. That move would be of historic proportions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hair, I know what you were saying about the trade chart and agree, I just don't see the Bengals having enough forethought to pull that off. To tell you the truth, there;s not to much that would make me happier than to see one of the top defenders taken at #6 and then see the Bengals actually make the move into the botom of the 1st to go get Mack. That move would be of historic proportions...\high fives army:| now only if you were bengals gm \sniff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Maybe go with a C if we don't get Brown in FA. Someone good who can maybe play at guard for a season or two alongside the vet we get in FA, if we get one, or to start at C himself right away if we don't. It'll be an improvement over Guichac.If not then go D. BPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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