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[Clackwoods]

Hey,

Let's trade Chad Ocho Cinco and a fourth round pick (We will be getting Compensatory) to the Cardinals for Anquain Boldin.

The reason we would need to throw in the extra pick is because of the age disparity of the two. We can Franchise TJ and then trade him to someone for a second round pick. (The Dolphins got a second rounder for Chris Chambers)

What do you think?

[derekshank]

Hey,

Let's trade Chad Ocho Cinco and a fourth round pick (We will be getting Compensatory) to the Cardinals for Anquain Boldin.

The reason we would need to throw in the extra pick is because of the age disparity of the two. We can Franchise TJ and then trade him to someone for a second round pick. (The Dolphins got a second rounder for Chris Chambers)

What do you think?

There's no way in hell they agree to that. 2 years ago, maybe... but Boldin is head and shoulders better than Chad right now. And despite Boldin's recent frustration on the sidelines - he's nowhere near the pain in the ass that Chad is.

If the Bengals gave up Chad and a 4th rounder, I'd be happy if they got a 2nd round pick in return. Chad's a dick, and everyone knows it. And most teams are getting wise to staying away from prima donnas just by watching what T.O. does everywhere he goes.

[NJ29]

I would love that, so let's hope the Boldin drama gets blown out of proportion. I don't think he's frustration is out of being selfish, I think it's out of being a competitor, and having a guy like him in the Nati would be great.

[derekshank]

I would love that, so let's hope the Boldin drama gets blown out of proportion. I don't think he's frustration is out of being selfish, I think it's out of being a competitor, and having a guy like him in the Nati would be great.

Yep. If this had happened during the season, no one would be talking about it anymore. But it was the NFC championship game and there are few stories, so the media has to make this into something interesting.

Boldin has already come out and said he was frustrated that they took him out of the game without an explanation. He said they didn't feel like he could run the way they wanted him to because of his injury - but he wanted to be in the game because he still felt like he was a help to the team. Not exactly like Chad trying to punch a coach because Kitna couldn't get the ball to him downfield.

There's no way the Cardinals part ways with Boldin after he and Fitzgerald led them to a Super Bowl.

[Clackwoods]

Hey,

Let's trade Chad Ocho Cinco and a fourth round pick (We will be getting Compensatory) to the Cardinals for Anquain Boldin.

The reason we would need to throw in the extra pick is because of the age disparity of the two. We can Franchise TJ and then trade him to someone for a second round pick. (The Dolphins got a second rounder for Chris Chambers)

What do you think?

There's no way in hell they agree to that. 2 years ago, maybe... but Boldin is head and shoulders better than Chad right now. And despite Boldin's recent frustration on the sidelines - he's nowhere near the pain in the ass that Chad is.

If the Bengals gave up Chad and a 4th rounder, I'd be happy if they got a 2nd round pick in return. Chad's a dick, and everyone knows it. And most teams are getting wise to staying away from prima donnas just by watching what T.O. does everywhere he goes.

Their is no way you give up Chad and a 4th rounder for a second rounder. You can still get a mid round first for Chad, I guarantee that. I think the combination of him being hurt and Carson being out is the reason he struggled last year.

[derekshank]

Their is no way you give up Chad and a 4th rounder for a second rounder. You can still get a mid round first for Chad, I guarantee that. I think the combination of him being hurt and Carson being out is the reason he struggled last year.

If you say so.

His stock dropped a lot this year. People now know that a lot of his success came from Palmer, so teams that would be interested in him drop off considerably to only those who have top tier QB's.

Add to it that everyone knows he's a cancer in the locker-room and a contract hold-out waiting to happen and he becomes even less valuable.

The Bengals really f**ked up when they didn't trade him to Washington last year. That ship has sailed now, and the value you could get in return for him fell off immeasurably.

But since you guarantee a mid first rounder for Chad - I believe you. After all, it's not as if the WR that plays on the other side of him nearly doubled his production this year... so yeah. Why wouldn't a team want to give up a 1st round pick for a 31 year old prima donna in the downswing of his career who requires a top tier QB to give him reasonable numbers? Sounds like a bargain!

[ArmyBengal]

As much as I would love to see Chad moved, I don't see it happening either. I sure as hell don't see anything that would involve Boldin in any way shape or form. I will agree that maybe someone will choose to overlook his poor production and blame much of that on the fact Carson wasn't in there throwing the ball, but it's just to hard to tell at this point. The Cowboys gave up a ton for a far less WR than Chad so we will have to see, but I still don't see anything happening in that area...

[Clackwoods]

Their is no way you give up Chad and a 4th rounder for a second rounder. You can still get a mid round first for Chad, I guarantee that. I think the combination of him being hurt and Carson being out is the reason he struggled last year.

If you say so.

His stock dropped a lot this year. People now know that a lot of his success came from Palmer, so teams that would be interested in him drop off considerably to only those who have top tier QB's.

Add to it that everyone knows he's a cancer in the locker-room and a contract hold-out waiting to happen and he becomes even less valuable.

The Bengals really f**ked up when they didn't trade him to Washington last year. That ship has sailed now, and the value you could get in return for him fell off immeasurably.

But since you guarantee a mid first rounder for Chad - I believe you. After all, it's not as if the WR that plays on the other side of him nearly doubled his production this year... so yeah. Why wouldn't a team want to give up a 1st round pick for a 31 year old prima donna in the downswing of his career who requires a top tier QB to give him reasonable numbers? Sounds like a bargain!

Chad was putting up big numbers long before Carson arrived in Cincy. He doesn't necessarily need a great QB to get him the ball. Roy Williams is a prima donna and he has NEVER put up the numbers Chad has. I do agree with you that you can't get what Washington was offering last year (1st and a second which could become a 1st), but I do still think we can get a mid round 1st. maybe I am crazy

[BengalszoneBilly]

Hey,

Let's trade Chad Ocho Cinco and a fourth round pick (We will be getting Compensatory) to the Cardinals for Anquain Boldin.

The reason we would need to throw in the extra pick is because of the age disparity of the two. We can Franchise TJ and then trade him to someone for a second round pick. (The Dolphins got a second rounder for Chris Chambers)

What do you think?

Keep #84.

Hey,

Let's trade Chad Ocho Cinco and a fourth round pick (We will be getting Compensatory) to the Cardinals for Anquain Boldin.

The reason we would need to throw in the extra pick is because of the age disparity of the two. We can Franchise TJ and then trade him to someone for a second round pick. (The Dolphins got a second rounder for Chris Chambers)

What do you think?

There's no way in hell they agree to that. 2 years ago, maybe... but Boldin is head and shoulders better than Chad right now. And despite Boldin's recent frustration on the sidelines - he's nowhere near the pain in the ass that Chad is.

If the Bengals gave up Chad and a 4th rounder, I'd be happy if they got a 2nd round pick in return. Chad's a dick, and everyone knows it. And most teams are getting wise to staying away from prima donnas just by watching what T.O. does everywhere he goes.

I wouldn't call him a dick, just lost his focus on what's important.

I would love that, so let's hope the Boldin drama gets blown out of proportion. I don't think he's frustration is out of being selfish, I think it's out of being a competitor, and having a guy like him in the Nati would be great.

Yep. If this had happened during the season, no one would be talking about it anymore. But it was the NFC championship game and there are few stories, so the media has to make this into something interesting.

Boldin has already come out and said he was frustrated that they took him out of the game without an explanation. He said they didn't feel like he could run the way they wanted him to because of his injury - but he wanted to be in the game because he still felt like he was a help to the team. Not exactly like Chad trying to punch a coach because Kitna couldn't get the ball to him downfield.

There's no way the Cardinals part ways with Boldin after he and Fitzgerald led them to a Super Bowl.

You never know who's willing to trade what unless you make an offer!

It's been discussed here already.

[Pidge]

Moonlighting eh Billy?

[BengalszoneBilly]

Moonlighting eh Billy?

Sort of because I live in Arizona. I've been a member there since mid 2007. They sucked then, but now they don't.

[derekshank]

I wouldn't call him a dick, just lost his focus on what's important.

That's okay Billy. You seem like a nice guy. Some people are just too nice to have the brutal honesty to call a spade a spade... or in this case a dick. I'm not that guy. Chad's a dick.

[derekshank]

Chad was putting up big numbers long before Carson arrived in Cincy. He doesn't necessarily need a great QB to get him the ball. Roy Williams is a prima donna and he has NEVER put up the numbers Chad has. I do agree with you that you can't get what Washington was offering last year (1st and a second which could become a 1st), but I do still think we can get a mid round 1st. maybe I am crazy

Maybe you are crazy. I'm not sure. I haven't gone through all your posts in order to take a psychological evaluation. But in this instance, I happen to think you are merely wrong. Chad is 31. Roy is 27. There was every reason to believe that Roy's best years are still in front of him. Not to mention that he is a pure physical specimen that Chad isn't. And Roy did manage to put up some big numbers in Detroit with some god-awful QB's. - And lets not forget the most important factor in the Roy Williams trade... It was a desperation move by Jerry Jones. What is the likelihood of finding a similar situation this offseason? Slim to none.

As far as Chad putting up big numbers prior to Palmer... yes he did. He played well for 2 years before Palmer started for the Bengals. But his best seasons were always with Palmer throwing him the ball, with T.J and Rudi keeping defenses honest.

You heard him start to complain about teams playing cover 2 all the time last year because he wasn't getting single coverage much anymore and thus he was less effective. Take away Palmer and lose Chad's greatest strength... the deep ball, and what happens? His production cuts in half.

Will teams overlook him being a prima donna? Most likely a few will. But the fact that he has fallen so far so quickly and he's on the wrong side of 30 is going to temper a teams willingness to part with something of value just to take a declining star whose antics have gone from fun and endearing to... well, T.O. like.

I'll just say this... if I were a fan of another team, the last thing I would want is to give up a 1st round pick for Chad Johnson.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I wouldn't call him a dick, just lost his focus on what's important.

That's okay Billy. You seem like a nice guy. Some people are just too nice to have the brutal honesty to call a spade a spade... or in this case a dick. I'm not that guy. Chad's a dick.

I'm really not that nice. Chad may very well be the dick you described Derek. I'm sincerely hoping for a return to the days of 2005 where the Bengals came out of no where and captured the division title.

[Clackwoods]

Chad was putting up big numbers long before Carson arrived in Cincy. He doesn't necessarily need a great QB to get him the ball. Roy Williams is a prima donna and he has NEVER put up the numbers Chad has. I do agree with you that you can't get what Washington was offering last year (1st and a second which could become a 1st), but I do still think we can get a mid round 1st. maybe I am crazy

Maybe you are crazy. I'm not sure. I haven't gone through all your posts in order to take a psychological evaluation. But in this instance, I happen to think you are merely wrong. Chad is 31. Roy is 27. There was every reason to believe that Roy's best years are still in front of him. Not to mention that he is a pure physical specimen that Chad isn't. And Roy did manage to put up some big numbers in Detroit with some god-awful QB's. - And lets not forget the most important factor in the Roy Williams trade... It was a desperation move by Jerry Jones. What is the likelihood of finding a similar situation this offseason? Slim to none.

As far as Chad putting up big numbers prior to Palmer... yes he did. He played well for 2 years before Palmer started for the Bengals. But his best seasons were always with Palmer throwing him the ball, with T.J and Rudi keeping defenses honest.

You heard him start to complain about teams playing cover 2 all the time last year because he wasn't getting single coverage much anymore and thus he was less effective. Take away Palmer and lose Chad's greatest strength... the deep ball, and what happens? His production cuts in half.

Will teams overlook him being a prima donna? Most likely a few will. But the fact that he has fallen so far so quickly and he's on the wrong side of 30 is going to temper a teams willingness to part with something of value just to take a declining star whose antics have gone from fun and endearing to... well, T.O. like.

I'll just say this... if I were a fan of another team, the last thing I would want is to give up a 1st round pick for Chad Johnson.

I agree with you their, if I was another team I wouldn't want to make the deal either, but their is always some idiotic GM out their trying to save his job with a flashy move that will make the deal. Look at the ridiculous deal the Jags made last year.

[HoosierCat]

Let's set aside the issues of Chad's age, health and production and just look at the market for wide receivers this year.

-- The draft class is pretty good. 3 or 4 WRs will probably go in the first, with an equal number likely in the second.

-- The potential list of free agent receivers (headed by Housh) looks decent, too.

-- At least one other high-profile WR, Boldin, is also rumored to be on the block.

Then factor in the money issue: Chad and Rosenhau$ will want a big new deal as part of a trade, and the 5-year limit on bonus proration this year is going to make those tougher than usual to do.

Put that all together, and I just don't see any team rushing out to cut a deal with the Bengals. It could happen, but I agree with Derek that you can forget about the multiple first round pick thing.

[HairOnFire]

Put that all together, and I just don't see any team rushing out to cut a deal with the Bengals. It could happen, but I agree with Derek that you can forget about the multiple first round pick thing.

There was no multiple first round pick thing last year. Just a first and a third that could have improved conditionally. Frankly, I see absolutely no reason to think that type of offer won't be made again.

If anything has changed it's this.

The Bengals should be better prepared for Chad's departure, and in theory should be more agreeable to the very idea of trading Chad. But whether that means that actually want to deal him is a very different thing. Furthermore, there's nothing that makes me think they wouldn't turn down the same type of trade offer they soundly rejected last year.

Why? Because Chad still represents a true #1 WR who can step into that role immediately, not in two or three years like a draft pick might.

[HoosierCat]

Why? Because Chad still represents a true #1 WR who can step into that role immediately, not in two or three years like a draft pick might.

Which, of course, only gets us back around to the old bit about why it's rock stupid to trade Chad: it leaves us with no No. 1 WR. If Simpson had shown anything, things would be different, but right now he looks like a bee-you-ess-tee.

[HairOnFire]

Trading Chad doesn't make sense if all we're discussing is X's and O's, but it goes beyond that, doesn't it?

Again, whether the Bengals trade Chad or not is a discussion for another day. But I remain convinced if they put him on the block they'll get an offer that matches or even beats the one they rejected.

[derekshank]

Why? Because Chad still represents a true #1 WR who can step into that role immediately, not in two or three years like a draft pick might.

Which, of course, only gets us back around to the old bit about why it's rock stupid to trade Chad: it leaves us with no No. 1 WR. If Simpson had shown anything, things would be different, but right now he looks like a bee-you-ess-tee.

But if you trade Chad and franchise Housh, that still leaves the Bengals with WR corps better than most of the teams that went to the playoffs this year.

If (and in my mind it's a huge 'IF') they can get a 1st round pick for him... or even an early 2nd - you take it and continue building the defense and O-line. The Steelers, the Titans, the Ravens, the Giants, The Eagles, The Vikings... these were teams that went to the playoffs almost entirely on the strength of their defense and running game.

If the Bengals can get their defense to continue improving and can manage to run the ball even a little they get exponentially better. Trading Chad gets the Bengals closer to success, not further away. But again... I don't see it.

[ArmyBengal]

Have to agree that it's about more than simply having a #1 WR and that getting rid of Chad gets us closer to getting the other pieces required for this team...

[HairOnFire]

If (and in my mind it's a huge 'IF') they can get a 1st round pick for him...

Again, what changed?

After being spurned on draft day did the Redskins turn to a backup plan so successful they no longer need Chad?

Well, no....they didn't.

Rather, they did what most teams are forced into doing. They burned draft picks in the hope they could find an upgrade.

Selected two WR's and a TE. Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly.

So how'd that work out for them?

21 catches, 165 yards, 7.8 yard average, and 0 TD's.

Combined.

So what changed?

Nothing, right?

In fact, their need for a true #1 option is more glaring than ever.

23rd ranked passing attack.

28th ranked scoring offense.

No playoffs. Again.

So why wouldn't they match their previous offer?

In fact, seeing how their draft package didn't get the job done the last time around.....why wouldn't they improve it?

[Pidge]

If (and in my mind it's a huge 'IF') they can get a 1st round pick for him...

Again, what changed?

After being spurned on draft day did the Redskins turn to a backup plan so successful they no longer need Chad?

Well, no....they didn't.

Rather, they did what most teams are forced into doing. They burned draft picks in the hope they could find an upgrade.

Selected two WR's and a TE. Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly.

So how'd that work out for them?

21 catches, 165 yards, 7.8 yard average, and 0 TD's.

Combined.

So what changed?

Nothing, right?

In fact, their need for a true #1 option is more glaring than ever.

23rd ranked passing attack.

28th ranked scoring offense.

No playoffs. Again.

So why wouldn't they match their previous offer?

In fact, seeing how their draft package didn't get the job done the last time around.....why wouldn't they improve it?

Well, when you put it like that..

[derekshank]

If (and in my mind it's a huge 'IF') they can get a 1st round pick for him...

Again, what changed?

After being spurned on draft day did the Redskins turn to a backup plan so successful they no longer need Chad?

Well, no....they didn't.

Rather, they did what most teams are forced into doing. They burned draft picks in the hope they could find an upgrade.

Selected two WR's and a TE. Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, and Malcolm Kelly.

So how'd that work out for them?

21 catches, 165 yards, 7.8 yard average, and 0 TD's.

Combined.

So what changed?

Nothing, right?

In fact, their need for a true #1 option is more glaring than ever.

23rd ranked passing attack.

28th ranked scoring offense.

No playoffs. Again.

So why wouldn't they match their previous offer?

In fact, seeing how their draft package didn't get the job done the last time around.....why wouldn't they improve it?

Well, for one they've already traded away their 2nd round pick in this draft. I doubt they'll so willingly throw another 1st rounder away and wait until the 3rd round to get a draft pick.

Also, you asked what has changed. Well, we're talking about Chad Johnson, right? How about his production? After the '07 season he had 93 catches for 1440 yards and 8 TD's. This year he had merely 53 catches, 540 yards and 4 TD's - and only 3 catches of over 20 yards (a season long 23 yard catch).

A lot of people are quick to blame Palmer's injury for Chad's lack of production. Fine... but how is Jason Campbell going to help considering the Redskins were ranked 28th in passes over 20 yards and 29th in passes over 40.

My point... perhaps you're willing to give up a first round pick on a prima donna when he gives you 1,500 yards and game changing plays. Much less likely to do so for a guy who didn't manage to crack the top 70 in receiving.

[ArmyBengal]

I get what you are saying in regards to Campbell and won't disagree. I sort of look at Chad in the same way people looked at Steve Smith last year. Steve Smith lost Delhomme for the year and wasn't the impact WR everyone grew to love there in Carolina. Granted he still caught for 1000+ yards, but wasn't a factor in anyway. This year ?? Delhomme is back, Smith catches for better than 1400 and is in the pro bowl. Does anyone think the same couldn't be expected of Chad with Carson coming back ?? Wait a minute, I think I made an argument to keep him... Sh*t... Anyway, I suppose if there is a team in need of a WR with a QB capable of throwing the deep ball, there is a way to see something happening.