kingwilly Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 It was dirty...he hit him in the chin with the crown of his helmet! Check the replay, they show it enough, but noooo....they don't show Cedric truckin that Michael Jackson wannabe.I just went back and looked at it, and it was as described above. I won't be surprised if the league fines Ward.And it may have been that way, but in the heat of the play, Ward didn't 'take a cheap shot'. He was throwing his body at the defender and the helmet happened to pop him in the chin. He's not going to get fined.Are u a Steelers fan?Somebody disagrees with you so they must be a Steelers fan. How friggin' ignorant are you anyway? I've never been impressed with any of your posts, but 'are you a Steelers fan'. F*ck you. Been a fan for over thirty years and you probably ain't even that old yet.OMG, you've never been impressed by any of my post, now that hurts, lol, and watch your mouth, 'bonehead', I just hope the kids didn't see that kinda language.I'm sorry...let me repeat. F*ck you. Maybe you can understand that because you're pretty dim to get much else.Please, Greg go wave ur terrible towel somewhere else.Alright, look. I'm willing to bury this stupid hatchett because this has been a frustrating season and today was terrible. I will apologize for the 'f*ck you's and get this thing back on track, but don't you ever call me a f*cking steelers fan again.Alrighty, your right! I was waitin for u to be the bigger man, b/c I'm so frustrated with the Bungles so I'm picking a fight with anyone and everyone. My bad about calling u a Squeelers fan I just wanted to say what I knew would make u the maddest, u know! But we good Greg we good!hug it out biotches... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 It was dirty...he hit him in the chin with the crown of his helmet! Check the replay, they show it enough, but noooo....they don't show Cedric truckin that Michael Jackson wannabe.I just went back and looked at it, and it was as described above. I won't be surprised if the league fines Ward.And it may have been that way, but in the heat of the play, Ward didn't 'take a cheap shot'. He was throwing his body at the defender and the helmet happened to pop him in the chin. He's not going to get fined.Are u a Steelers fan?Somebody disagrees with you so they must be a Steelers fan. How friggin' ignorant are you anyway? I've never been impressed with any of your posts, but 'are you a Steelers fan'. F*ck you. Been a fan for over thirty years and you probably ain't even that old yet.OMG, you've never been impressed by any of my post, now that hurts, lol, and watch your mouth, 'bonehead', I just hope the kids didn't see that kinda language.I'm sorry...let me repeat. F*ck you. Maybe you can understand that because you're pretty dim to get much else.Please, Greg go wave ur terrible towel somewhere else.Alright, look. I'm willing to bury this stupid hatchett because this has been a frustrating season and today was terrible. I will apologize for the 'f*ck you's and get this thing back on track, but don't you ever call me a f*cking steelers fan again.Alrighty, your right! I was waitin for u to be the bigger man, b/c I'm so frustrated with the Bungles so I'm picking a fight with anyone and everyone. My bad about calling u a Squeelers fan I just wanted to say what I knew would make u the maddest, u know! But we good Greg we good!This season sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole3 Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 dont think he'll get fined because he got under the helmet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Now that I see that view, I agree he won't be fined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 There's nothing wrong with that hit at all. It was tough, I don't think he was headhunting, out in the open. FFS, they wear padding out there after all. Let's not turn this into a league wear the players start wearing sanitary towels too. No offence ladies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well after seeing that replay in slow motion again like that, I have to say it looks like he was leading with the top of his helmet, which is a direct violation of the rules. Sorry but I call it like I see it. I just hope Ndukwe follows through with his comments and lays a lick on Ward next time they play. Boy it would be beautiful to see White and Ndukwe sandwich Ward and put him down for the count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well this is football no? I can understand if this was rugby and you have to actually tackle (wrap up) or it's a penalty. Hitting is strictly verboten. However, in football a hit is as good as a tackle if it puts the player down. I dunno, it seems he was initially hit in the shoulder and the heads clashed thereafter. No intent to go after his head initially, IMO, and sometimes, s**t happens when two big guys just charge into each other. Like a clash of heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 The only reason any of us (on this board or in general) is debating this is because Rivers is out for the season. You talk to the guys from the 60s or 70s and I bet they'd say "Wire my jaw and let me get back on the field," where retribution would be metted.Here's my question: Ward played the rest of the game, no? Why didn't any of Rivers' D-mates pay back when it counted instead of us having this conversation. Somebody knocked Hines out on the next play, case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well, the league seems to have it in for Ward and I actually think he'll be fined and suspended. This will be the third week in a row that the NFL will be reviewing one of his hits. Not saying it's right or wrong. I just think this is what will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Yep. All strong hits will then be looked at. There's no need for them really. Just enough force to put the guy on the ground gently. And also you should immediately check his condition afterwards or a taunting and being a "beastly brute" flag will be thrown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Frankly, the problem is in the helmet. There is too much left exposed with the current design of the helmet. You got short guys hitting on tall guys, chins are going to get hit, intended or not. Give them something designed like a knight's helmet or Darth Vader's headgear and we'll eliminate all these injuries.BTW--I'm being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 By the way--head count here. How many of us thought Geathers' hit on Trent Green in that Kansas game a couple seasons back was a dirty hit? Same type of hit. Cost Green the season and, should have, his career. What? Green slid into that? Same flow-of-the-game hit as yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 By the way--head count here. How many of us thought Geathers' hit on Trent Green in that Kansas game a couple seasons back was a dirty hit? Same type of hit. Cost Green the season and, should have, his career. What? Green slid into that? Same flow-of-the-game hit as yesterday.A helmet to helmet hit when you are already launched into the air and a guy decides to slide is totally different then blocking another guy while leading with the crown of your helmet. I have seen many guys make a block like the one the Ward did, and most of them blocked the guy below the shoulder pads without leading with their helmet and got the same pancake block result. There was absolutely no reason for Ward to lead with the crown of his helmet into Rivers helmet. I am guessing it will be a $15,000 fine or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 By the way--head count here. How many of us thought Geathers' hit on Trent Green in that Kansas game a couple seasons back was a dirty hit? Same type of hit. Cost Green the season and, should have, his career. What? Green slid into that? Same flow-of-the-game hit as yesterday.A helmet to helmet hit when you are already launched into the air and a guy decides to slide is totally different then blocking another guy while leading with the crown of your helmet. I have seen many guys make a block like the one the Ward did, and most of them blocked the guy below the shoulder pads without leading with their helmet and got the same pancake block result. There was absolutely no reason for Ward to lead with the crown of his helmet into Rivers helmet. I am guessing it will be a $15,000 fine or more.Friendly wager here. I'll bet on no fine. You bet on 15,000-plus. Loser has to post on here bowing to the superior intellect and football knowledge of the other. If we both lose and there is a fine under 15 grand, we both get to post how the Steelers are always protected by the Commish and the Bengals always get screwed, which doesn't really have anything to do with the fine, but will be fun nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 The only reason any of us (on this board or in general) is debating this is because Rivers is out for the season. You talk to the guys from the 60s or 70s and I bet they'd say "Wire my jaw and let me get back on the field," where retribution would be metted.Here's my question: Ward played the rest of the game, no? Why didn't any of Rivers' D-mates pay back when it counted instead of us having this conversation. Somebody knocked Hines out on the next play, case closed.That is what i'm saying why no payback...This team has knocked out our starting QB and now our starting LB, but we do absolutely nothing...We are not going anywhere anyway get an unnecessary roughness penalty by laying his ass out when he not looking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 By the way--head count here. How many of us thought Geathers' hit on Trent Green in that Kansas game a couple seasons back was a dirty hit? Same type of hit. Cost Green the season and, should have, his career. What? Green slid into that? Same flow-of-the-game hit as yesterday.A helmet to helmet hit when you are already launched into the air and a guy decides to slide is totally different then blocking another guy while leading with the crown of your helmet. I have seen many guys make a block like the one the Ward did, and most of them blocked the guy below the shoulder pads without leading with their helmet and got the same pancake block result. There was absolutely no reason for Ward to lead with the crown of his helmet into Rivers helmet. I am guessing it will be a $15,000 fine or more.Friendly wager here. I'll bet on no fine. You bet on 15,000-plus. Loser has to post on here bowing to the superior intellect and football knowledge of the other. If we both lose and there is a fine under 15 grand, we both get to post how the Steelers are always protected by the Commish and the Bengals always get screwed, which doesn't really have anything to do with the fine, but will be fun nonetheless.Fine with me...*pun intended. I kind of agree with Hotboy that this team must not have any chemistry, otherwise someone would have stepped up and taken a good lick on one of Pittsburgh's players. It's just like in baseball when the other team beans your best player...your pitcher will either bean their best player or hit the pitcher. They should have picked the spot and in the game right for it and got some payback...this team has no heart, leadership, or chemistry...bottom line, 0-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 By the way--head count here. How many of us thought Geathers' hit on Trent Green in that Kansas game a couple seasons back was a dirty hit? Same type of hit. Cost Green the season and, should have, his career. What? Green slid into that? Same flow-of-the-game hit as yesterday.A helmet to helmet hit when you are already launched into the air and a guy decides to slide is totally different then blocking another guy while leading with the crown of your helmet. I have seen many guys make a block like the one the Ward did, and most of them blocked the guy below the shoulder pads without leading with their helmet and got the same pancake block result. There was absolutely no reason for Ward to lead with the crown of his helmet into Rivers helmet. I am guessing it will be a $15,000 fine or more.Friendly wager here. I'll bet on no fine. You bet on 15,000-plus. Loser has to post on here bowing to the superior intellect and football knowledge of the other. If we both lose and there is a fine under 15 grand, we both get to post how the Steelers are always protected by the Commish and the Bengals always get screwed, which doesn't really have anything to do with the fine, but will be fun nonetheless.Fine with me...*pun intended. I kind of agree with Hotboy that this team must not have any chemistry, otherwise someone would have stepped up and taken a good lick on one of Pittsburgh's players. It's just like in baseball when the other team beans your best player...your pitcher will either bean their best player or hit the pitcher. They should have picked the spot and in the game right for it and got some payback...this team has no heart, leadership, or chemistry...bottom line, 0-7.Oh absolutely. Clean hit, dirty hit, doesn't matter for that discussion. Ndukwe talking about the hit AFTER the fact doesn't mean jack. Marvin should have put in our third string LB on the next play with one instruction--'Put him out. We'll pay your fine.' If Ward had gotten slugged on that series, the fans would have seen the fire and physicality we've been demanding all season. Instead--nope. All talk and no walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Frankly I'd like all our D to be trying to hit the opposotion as hard as they can, legally, every f**king play. Not as payback but as a matter of course. Hit 'em hard and if they're made of glass, that's their look out.Make the whiney bitch Ward actually think twice about bringing his tough-guy midget act across the middle. Every receiver and RB and TE on every other team too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole3 Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I think Hair is more likely to get fined than Wines Hard will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I think Hair is more likely to get fined than Wines Hard will.Now THAT'S clearly helmet-to-helmet. And the best part is...Hair came out on the short end on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmanation Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I can't see them fining him. That was just a great blind side hit, Im used to seeing those on special teams though, not on defence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Does his helmet have to be so low to make a block? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Probably not but single still frame shots do nothing of any relevance. The game is played at a very high speed and it easy to see fault in probably more than 50% of hits/tackles/whatever if you're looking for it.This crap has to stop or before you know it, it'll be 20 yrs later and this game will make soccer look like flaming sword ninja boxing.People get hurt playing football due to the very nature of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 hines ward lead with his helmet, that is a big no no. the play had already passed by hines and rivers, there was no need for that block. unless you are trying to hurt someone period! if any member of this team had any balls what so ever. they would have busted hines ass for that. if i was on the bengals that would have been hines last football game ever! now don't get me wrong i am not out for hurting anyone. but if you are that kind of player that just waits to catch someone off guard and tries to hurt them, then you get what you deserve! trust me i would have kimoed hines and ended his career then stood over him and laughed as i spit in his face! you hurt one of my teammates or friends your ass is grass plain and simple a eye for a eye! sorry to be that way that is just how i see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Got proper f**ked then. At least he'll be spared the last ten beatings of the season. Rest up and look forward to your second season as a Bengal Keith.Rather sparing him 10 more loss's I'd rather see him getting experience and staying in football shape <which I doubt he'll pull odell cause dude just is ripped vs odell who always looked out of shape.No doubt, the experience he would have gained this year, would have made him even better. You could see his improvement from game to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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