derekshank Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Are you in any better position than me to judge anything? No, you're not. Why don't you start being a fan of this team, instead of being a douchenozzle?The argument is that you are making accusations against a medical staff that you have no way to know anything about... unless you have a link? But wait... that would be consistent with your complaint against Hair, and I wouldn't expect you to abide by your own standards.No, the real issue here is the willingness for people to have blind optimism about a player that hasn't shown anything since college. There are countless players who were great in college and couldn't do it it in the NFL. If being a fan forces me to have faith in a player who hasn't shown me he's able to do it, then I guess I can't be a fan.Sorry pal. Perry gives me no confidence. If he does you... good for you. You're in the same spot that about everyone here was 4 years ago. I'm just not putting hope in the guy anymore - and calling into question someone else's loyalty to the Bengals because of a disagreement about the quality of a player is mind numbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 No, the real issue here is the willingness for people to have blind optimism about a player that hasn't shown anything since college.I think that's going a little far. People tend to forget that Perry was the team's third-leading receiver in catches and fourth-leading in yards back in 2005. He was also something of a "secret weapon" at PBS. In front of the home crowd, he averaged 5+ yards a rush, versus fewer than 4 on the road. Receiving, 40% of his receptions went for firsts at home versus 23% on the road.This team doesn't need Perry to be the second coming, just what he was in '05. A couple more first downs here and catches there last season could have made a world of difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 No, the real issue here is the willingness for people to have blind optimism about a player that hasn't shown anything since college.I think that's going a little far. People tend to forget that Perry was the team's third-leading receiver in catches and fourth-leading in yards back in 2005. He was also something of a "secret weapon" at PBS. In front of the home crowd, he averaged 5+ yards a rush, versus fewer than 4 on the road. Receiving, 40% of his receptions went for firsts at home versus 23% on the road.This team doesn't need Perry to be the second coming, just what he was in '05. A couple more first downs here and catches there last season could have made a world of difference.As much as I've taken my shots at Perry, I'll agree here. He has infrequently shown some promise as a Bengal. FWIW I hope he makes me eat a large platter of crow for those aforementioned shots I took at him. I'd gladly sit down and clean my plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 As much as I've taken my shots at Perry, I'll agree here. He has infrequently shown some promise as a Bengal. FWIW I hope he makes me eat a large platter of crow for those aforementioned shots I took at him. I'd gladly sit down and clean my plate.I'm with you there. I've said as much since the '05 season. I've hoped for him to contribute, with no realistic belief that he would. So far I've not been proven wrong - unfortunately. I also don't think the Kenny Irons pick (failed as it was) shows that the coaches have much confidence in him either... and that is just a little bit more evidence that I didn't need to doubt him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Are you in any better position than me to judge anything? No, you're not. Why don't you start being a fan of this team, instead of being a douchenozzle?The argument is that you are making accusations against a medical staff that you have no way to know anything about... unless you have a link? But wait... that would be consistent with your complaint against Hair, and I wouldn't expect you to abide by your own standards.No, the real issue here is the willingness for people to have blind optimism about a player that hasn't shown anything since college. There are countless players who were great in college and couldn't do it it in the NFL. If being a fan forces me to have faith in a player who hasn't shown me he's able to do it, then I guess I can't be a fan.Sorry pal. Perry gives me no confidence. If he does you... good for you. You're in the same spot that about everyone here was 4 years ago. I'm just not putting hope in the guy anymore - and calling into question someone else's loyalty to the Bengals because of a disagreement about the quality of a player is mind numbing.The fact is, you're blatantly disregarding how well Perry has played when healthy. Now, I'm well aware that it's not the Bengals medical staff that's responsible for Perry's injuries, but c'mon, two years to recover from a broken leg and dislocated ankle? Read between the lines. If the failure of his return was due to his lack of effort, the Bengals would've canned him already. Seeing as they have not, I choose to believe that he's been doing everything he's been asked to do. http://www.cincyjungle.com/story/2006/9/3/124450/7903http://www.fanhouse.com/2007/08/17/bengals...t-from-players/http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/o...707bengals.htmlhttp://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sport...C1_LO7KV2I.htmlThere's four links for you (since I don't follow my own rules) to suggest that not only Chris Perry, but Willie Anderson and Levi Jones have also had trouble with the Bengals "crack" medical staff. The kicker is with Willie Anderson that Marvin actually had to tell Willie to go see another doctor. As for blind optimism, I don't consider it blind. I've seen what Perry can do when playing, you either saw it with a different set of eyes, or didn't see it at all. I know that after two years out of football that he might not make a difference right away, but IF he stays healthy, he COULD be a game-breaker. Not saying that he will, but that he might. As for questioning Hair's loyalty to the Bengals, find me one post in which he says something positive about our team. If there is one, I've never found it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 No, the real issue here is the willingness for people to have blind optimism about a player that hasn't shown anything since college.I think that's going a little far. People tend to forget that Perry was the team's third-leading receiver in catches and fourth-leading in yards back in 2005. He was also something of a "secret weapon" at PBS. In front of the home crowd, he averaged 5+ yards a rush, versus fewer than 4 on the road. Receiving, 40% of his receptions went for firsts at home versus 23% on the road.This team doesn't need Perry to be the second coming, just what he was in '05. A couple more first downs here and catches there last season could have made a world of difference.Finally, someone with some sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I think that the Kenny Irons release had more to do with his commitment to football and rehabbing than anything else. I mean, how can you give up on a player that was drafted in the top 50 of the entire draft in his 2nd year? I know he made the video, but it wasn't like he was saying anything about his personal habits and it has been noted that he was well liked in the lockeroom. The worst part of it all is that he goes down as another high pick that never realized his potential, with the Smiths, Pollack, Thurman, Henry and countless others. I like the fact that the Bengals are more decisive when it comes to these types of things, than years past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I think that the Kenny Irons release had more to do with his commitment to football and rehabbing than anything else. I mean, how can you give up on a player that was drafted in the top 50 of the entire draft in his 2nd year? I know he made the video, but it wasn't like he was saying anything about his personal habits and it has been noted that he was well liked in the lockeroom. The worst part of it all is that he goes down as another high pick that never realized his potential, with the Smiths, Pollack, Thurman, Henry and countless others. I like the fact that the Bengals are more decisive when it comes to these types of things, than years past.It doesn't matter what he says he does in the video, the Bengals are tired of having guys on the team that are young and dumb and run with the wrong crowd. Just because he doesn't smoke weed or whatever, doesn't mean that he can't get in trouble hanging out with other guys that are getting into trouble. When someone because an NFL player, they need to grow up and be responsible and protect not only themselves, but the protect the high dollar investment their employer (The Bengals) have made in them. I think this roster move more than any other sends a message to others on the team, "If you are going to be in the NFL and play for the Bengals, then be a professional and earn it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 The fact is, you're blatantly disregarding how well Perry has played when healthy.Wait....you're saying that there was a time when he was healthy?I'm having a really hard time remembering it....That said, I am sure he's been healthy enough to get his checks to the bank for 4 years running now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 The fact is, you're blatantly disregarding how well Perry has played when healthy.Wait....you're saying that there was a time when he was healthy?I'm having a really hard time remembering it....That's hardly surprising. You seem to have difficulty remembering a lot of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 The fact is, you're blatantly disregarding how well Perry has played when healthy.Wait....you're saying that there was a time when he was healthy?I'm having a really hard time remembering it....That's hardly surprising. You seem to have difficulty remembering a lot of things.Well, it was so very long ago, I didn't think anyone would blame me, honestly..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 The fact is, you're blatantly disregarding how well Perry has played when healthy.Wait....you're saying that there was a time when he was healthy?I'm having a really hard time remembering it....That's hardly surprising. You seem to have difficulty remembering a lot of things.Well, it was so very long ago, I didn't think anyone would blame me, honestly.....I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 The fact is, you're blatantly disregarding how well Perry has played when healthy.Wait....you're saying that there was a time when he was healthy?I'm having a really hard time remembering it....That's hardly surprising. You seem to have difficulty remembering a lot of things.Well, it was so very long ago, I didn't think anyone would blame me, honestly.....You're right, it was a long time ago. But I think we can all agree that a healthy Perry makes this team better. Don't we all want that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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