BengalszoneBilly Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Personally I think ol' Petey is doing lines. He calls Stacey Andrews the best Cincinnati offensive lineman! Anyway...link,then stats, followed by dubious comment:Cincinnati BengalsBest player: RT Stacey Andrews. Weak link: C Eric GhiaciucThe skinny: The Bengals had problems on their line last season with injuries to starting tackles Willie Anderson and Levi Jones. Andrews stepped in and played well in place of Anderson, which is why the team re-signed him before he hit the free-agent market. Ghiaciuc struggled with big power players last season.Rating: 17I will give him credit for painting Ghiaciuc on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 LMAO....Further proves the guy's ignorance. Seriously, this guy is a joke. Correct me if i'm wrong here, but didnt they set a franchise record for fewest sacks allowed last season? And werent they among the very top of the league?(I think they were second). I guess the guy didnt see a pro-bowler last season, and figures that is the most important criteria for judging an ENTIRE OL..what a joke.Oh yeah, and the fact that he thinks Stacey Andrews is better than Willie Anderson, Levi Jones, and Andrew Whitworth is just plain ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 What's wrong with that? Right now I would have to say our best O-Lineman is either Stacey Andrews or Bobbie Williams - given the recent injuries to Jones and Anderson. I don't know who would disagree with that. If you agree that Ghiaciuc is the weak link, the only other option would be Whitworth, and I would rate Andrews and Williams ahead of Whit. I don't undertand what your beef is. Of course, if healthy, Jones and Willie are healthy (which I expect them to be), they are All-Pro or Pro-Bowl level performers. But Andrews is the future. He will be dominant whatever position he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Of course, if healthy, Jones and Willie are healthy...Well said...But Andrews is the future. He will be dominant whatever position he plays.He will also be doing it for another team. The fact that a deal hasn't been done already probably means it's Justin Smith all over again. The team doesn't have the grapes to convince Willie that he's in the twilight of his career and he should step aside so the O-line can be used to its full potential instead of having a guy with Andrews' skills on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Ghiecuk is the weakest link, we need an ancor in the center, hopefully he can get it together... I think with Whitworth, Levi, Williams, Anderson and Andrews we're top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I like Andrews...certainly not the worst we've ever had on the line...but I don't think he's the strongest link on this unit. Ghiaciuc can't get out of his own way. But remember, he's following a great center in Braham, so our expectations are probably unattainable for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 First off Petey should do more research because the Bengals didn't SIGN Andrews before he hit the free agent market. They franchised him...and I believe he hasn't even signed that tender yet? Ghiacic is the weakest guy on the line but it doesn't take a genius to see that if you watch just one game. He gets pushed back into Palmer's face on pass protection and he let's guys shoot past him to blow up running plays in the backfield. Now as far as Joe Wrong is concerned, Bobbie Williams is not even CLOSE to being the best lineman. The guy is strong and that's about it. He is slow on his feet, rarely makes it to the next level on blocking, and he is never seen pulling. Next time you watch a game look at why they run the ball to his side more than the other. They do so because he is then asked to block straight up...they then have Whitworth pull, and Ghiacic uses his speed to get to the next level of defenders. I am willing to bet that this is Williams last year with the Bengals, and that is only if he doesn't get cut so that Andrews can take his place. If the Bengals have enough faith in Collins, they could cut Williams and save money, play Andrews in his spot, and have back ups in Collins, Koistra and Santucci. In fact I think this would be a smart move for them, it would free up some money they could use to sign TJ to a more long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 LMAO....Further proves the guy's ignorance. Seriously, this guy is a joke. Correct me if i'm wrong here, but didnt they set a franchise record for fewest sacks allowed last season? And werent they among the very top of the league?(I think they were second). I guess the guy didnt see a pro-bowler last season, and figures that is the most important criteria for judging an ENTIRE OL..what a joke.Oh yeah, and the fact that he thinks Stacey Andrews is better than Willie Anderson, Levi Jones, and Andrew Whitworth is just plain ludicrous.were you watching how fast carson would release the ball sometimes?though it was a franchise low it was still no where near the play of our 2005 line.PS,I'd say whitworth is the best linemen we have now,Factoring in health and youth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 LMAO....Further proves the guy's ignorance. Seriously, this guy is a joke. Correct me if i'm wrong here, but didnt they set a franchise record for fewest sacks allowed last season? And werent they among the very top of the league?(I think they were second). I guess the guy didnt see a pro-bowler last season, and figures that is the most important criteria for judging an ENTIRE OL..what a joke.Oh yeah, and the fact that he thinks Stacey Andrews is better than Willie Anderson, Levi Jones, and Andrew Whitworth is just plain ludicrous.were you watching how fast carson would release the ball sometimes?though it was a franchise low it was still no where near the play of our 2005 line.C'mon you seriously think 16 other teams have a better OL than the Bengals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 LMAO....Further proves the guy's ignorance. Seriously, this guy is a joke. Correct me if i'm wrong here, but didnt they set a franchise record for fewest sacks allowed last season? And werent they among the very top of the league?(I think they were second). I guess the guy didnt see a pro-bowler last season, and figures that is the most important criteria for judging an ENTIRE OL..what a joke.Oh yeah, and the fact that he thinks Stacey Andrews is better than Willie Anderson, Levi Jones, and Andrew Whitworth is just plain ludicrous.PS,I'd say whitworth is the best linemen we have now,Factoring in health and youth.Whitworth is soooo under-rated, i feel bad for the guy because with Andrews franchised, he'll have to be a backup when he should definately be a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 IMHO our present offensive line is geared 100% towards pass blocking. Run blocking is an after thought. You don't see guards pulling and opening holes like they did in '05. I feel the reason is they simply can't. Watch the films/Tivo. Our backs were lucky to get to the LOS without meeting a tackler first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 17th sounds about right to me. Two bad contracts and ? marks with declining tackles (Willie is not very good anymore at all, neither is Levi).I guess when you only draft 1 o-lineman, including TE's, in the first 3 rounds, in the last 5 years, when you have a top 5 QB, you are going to decline and lose.This is the earmark of Mike Brown, and it's not the 1980's any longer, when Brian Blados can hang around for years and have a tackle and a bunch of skill players cover his warts.When you catch and draft a pro bowl lineman (regardless of position) in his prime years, you keep him, sign him ahead of time via a good personnel man, and when you draft a veteran tackle's replacement (Whitworth, Andrews) you don't re-sign your gimpy, old, and unhappy tackles, Jesus. So you pay Steinbach $6 mil for a year or two and give him the typical signing bonus, you're not paying much for Andrews or Whitworth compared to Levi or Willie. They should've seen that coming and only signed one or the other short term, or neither.Tired of day one Rb's, WR's, and LB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 C'mon you seriously think 16 other teams have a better OL than the Bengals?If Willie's lame and Levi plays like he did last year, that number's low.Only thing that guy's wrong about...I'd say Bobbie Williams was our best lineman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 I watched last years game in December against the Browns from my seat in the north end zone. Willie dominated the Browns that game. He looked like men playing against boys. Seriously, if he can perform this year at a healthy level this O-line will be vastly improved. He was THE reason Watson ran for 170 plus yards that game.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwillycuse Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 I watched last years game in December against the Browns from my seat in the north end zone. Willie dominated the Browns that game. He looked like men playing against boys. Seriously, if he can perform this year at a healthy level this O-line will be vastly improved. He was THE reason Watson ran for 170 plus yards that game....I agree.And didn't Levi almost make the ProBowl? Poor start due to injury. Finished up strong.Health is the key. If the oline is healthy and we are rotating in that 6th man keeping people fresh. It could be a very good line.Potential is there.Im not writing off Willie either. We need some oline veteran leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 i think that's kinda on the high side. this o-line was not that good at all. we could not run the ball at all. carson high int total is just proof that he was getting rid of the ball to early to keep from being sacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 i think that's kinda on the high side. this o-line was not that good at all. we could not run the ball at all. carson high int total is just proof that he was getting rid of the ball to early to keep from being sacked.I agree. The Bengals had a lot of runs that were for two yards or less, especially when Rudi was in the game. The shuffle pass and sweeps with Watson were the only thing that really saved the YPC average. Also, last year the Carson took a lot of 3 and 5 step drops, getting rid of the ball quickly. Most of the penetration came up the middle, although the line overall did a decent job in pass-pro. I definitely believe they were middle-of-the road on the OL last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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