Chad 24/7

[Ickey44]

Win the contract law contest, or win the "build a winning football team" contest.

Just checking: "building a winning football team" means trading your best wideout with no prospect of replacing him with equal talent before the season?

Or Keep your best WR, get nothing for him, and let him sit all year and pout, and still not have him any ways? Again what is the point of doing that?

Showing that acting like a little bitch doesn't get you your way.

[Ickey44]

With the thought Chad is Bluffing and that he won't actually sit out...This Is what i'm worried about if we take a stand because what happens if he does show up for practice and willing to play on game day but he's not going to play at 100% or what happens if he starts pulling stuff on purpose to hurt the team ala dropping a pass...this is why well I've always have liked chad would just take redskins best offer come draft day and trade him.....

You don't have to worry about that, he did it all last year....

[HoosierCat]

Kirwan:

9. Is Johnson a factor?

Chad Johnson wants out of Cincinnati and there will be offers above and beyond Washington's in the closing hours before the draft. Time and a sense of urgency are the best ingredients to getting a deal done. The Bengals should not give him away and I'm confident they will get proper value or won't trade him at all.

Marvin Lewis is handling the situation perfectly. I wouldn't let him out the door for less than a first and a second in this draft and I might ask him to write a check for $3.4 million -- the remaining signing bonus left to be charged to the cap -- if and when he's traded. He wouldn't be the first player to buy his way out of a contract. I hope the Bengals get a bright young receiver in the draft, and get the right compensation for Johnson. If not, let him sit.

Link

[Ickey44]

Ok. Just as long as people realize the trading chad would result in blowing the whole thing up. In addition to having to find replacements for chad and henry, we have to replace TJ after this season since he will be gone. I don't think it's a good idea to leave carson with no WRs.

This is why you take the best player available when you draft. People have been against us taking a WR high in recent years because we have chad and tj and henry. Well, look at the situation now. You never pass on superior talent to fill a need.

Why wouldn't we franchise tag TJ next year?

TJ getting the franchise tag? Please. One, he's not worth it. Two, we won't be able to afford it if we do some of the things proposed by people on this board.

You, sir, just said one of the dumbest things I've heard all day.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Win the contract law contest, or win the "build a winning football team" contest.

Just checking: "building a winning football team" means trading your best wideout with no prospect of replacing him with equal talent before the season?

Or Keep your best WR, get nothing for him, and let him sit all year and pout, and still not have him any ways? Again what is the point of doing that?

Showing that acting like a little bitch doesn't get you your way.

Exactly. I can't believe the amount of people here that are okay with giving in and getting pushed around. I met tougher individuals in our high school band.

[duus]

Thought I would pass along a conversation I heard on the local Pittsburgh sports radio. After sort of poking fun that the Bengals did not trade Chad to the Redskins, a local guy interviewed the ex-GM of the Titans (I forget his name). Asking about the trade that the Bengals turned down, this guy very much came to the defense of the Bengals on this. He basically made three points as to why this might not have been the 'right deal' yet: 1) conditions put upon the 2009 pick, 2) salary cap considerations, and 3) it might not be a good idea to set it in player's minds that they can decide they want out of an organization. He seemed to focus a little on this final point in that he felt you have to be careful of the image/impression you might send to current and future players. Beyond this, he spent some time talking about how there may only be 10-12 true number 1 wide receivers in this league and that Chad Johnson is definitely one of them. He mentioned that to say that such a guy should really warrant considerable compensation (at least that was the impression he was giving).

[HoosierCat]

Thought I would pass along a conversation I heard on the local Pittsburgh sports radio. After sort of poking fun that the Bengals did not trade Chad to the Redskins, a local guy interviewed the ex-GM of the Titans (I forget his name).

Floyd Reese maybe?

Really, more I think about it, the more I'm not sure that Chad-to-the-Redskins isn't pretty much a done deal. In the first place, not only did we hear about trade compensation, but also about contract parameters, including $21 million in guaranteed coin. That would be tampering, unless Chad's camp had the OK to talk terms, and we haven't heard a peep out of the Bengals about tampering. Then there was Marvin's rapid about-face on whether there had been an offer or not. Why...unless you were either (clumsily) trying to solicit more bids, and/or working not to upset your current trade partner? Finally, and IMO most tellingly, there is the Silence Of The Chad. He took about 0.2 seconds to respond to Carson, but Marvin slammed him and...nothing. Crickets from his camp. The only reason I can think of for that is that Rosenhaus has told him a deal will happen by/on Saturday, Bengals are just squeezing for more from DC, so zip it.

We'll see.

[jjakq27]

Exactly. I can't believe the amount of people here that are okay with giving in and getting pushed around. I met tougher individuals in our high school band.

Speak for yourself!

I would like to see Chad come around and maybe have some sort of revelation and change his mind but I just don't see it happening. As I have stated before I clearly saw what they must deal with everyday when I saw Keyshawn's interview with him last season. Denial can be a great place to live. And I think they have grown weary of him. He is certainly not the same guy we knew in 2005.

So in the end I think it becomes a case of what is best for the team (ie: move the player/remove the distraction) rather than trying to make a point by making him stay here. Despite the cap hit I think there is a good chance he may get moved this weekend or after June 1.

This team is still in need of a lot of help and what better way to get it than by dealing Chad. There is plenty of time before the season for Marvin to reshape this into his kind of team without all of the BS that would surely follow if he remained a Bengal. It may be Marvin's last chance.

If it is goodbye, then thanks to Chad for some great memories and some fun times. He helped bring this team back to respectability and put us in the national eye which we sorely missed. But now everyone has grown tired and bored so maybe it's time for the circus to leave and move to the next town.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Really, more I think about it, the more I'm not sure that Chad-to-the-Redskins isn't pretty much a done deal. In the first place, not only did we hear about trade compensation, but also about contract parameters, including $21 million in guaranteed coin. That would be tampering, unless Chad's camp had the OK to talk terms, and we haven't heard a peep out of the Bengals about tampering. Then there was Marvin's rapid about-face on whether there had been an offer or not. Why...unless you were either (clumsily) trying to solicit more bids, and/or working not to upset your current trade partner? Finally, and IMO most tellingly, there is the Silence Of The Chad. He took about 0.2 seconds to respond to Carson, but Marvin slammed him and...nothing. Crickets from his camp. The only reason I can think of for that is that Rosenhaus has told him a deal will happen by/on Saturday, Bengals are just squeezing for more from DC, so zip it.

That's a very interesting point. Hadn't noticed that Ocho Stupido has been maintaining radio silence. Good call.

[agreen_112]

With the thought Chad is Bluffing and that he won't actually sit out...This Is what i'm worried about if we take a stand because what happens if he does show up for practice and willing to play on game day but he's not going to play at 100% or what happens if he starts pulling stuff on purpose to hurt the team ala dropping a pass...this is why well I've always have liked chad would just take redskins best offer come draft day and trade him.....

You put his ass on the bench... I don't think Chad would do that to himself, No player would make themselves look that bad.

[HairOnFire]

That's a very interesting point. Hadn't noticed that Ocho Stupido has been maintaining radio silence. Good call.

Uhhhh, the last time it was noted Radio Chad had "gone dark" he returned with even more rancor within a week. So I'm not sure anything can or should be read into the relative period of calm currently being experienced. After all, everyone has to pause for a breath now and then.

[HairOnFire]

Really, more I think about it, the more I'm not sure that Chad-to-the-Redskins isn't pretty much a done deal. In the first place, not only did we hear about trade compensation, but also about contract parameters, including $21 million in guaranteed coin. That would be tampering, unless Chad's camp had the OK to talk terms, and we haven't heard a peep out of the Bengals about tampering.

Yeah, the issue of tampering is interesting. At this point I doubt we'd hear anything publically from the Bengals even if they haven't given Washington permission to discuss contract parameters. After all, I don't recall any public statements about tampering in the Lance Briggs situation until after Goodell's ruling and punishment, and even then it was unclear if the commish acted on his own or after a formal complaint from the Bears. But it should be noted that in that example the player agent who was willing to negotiate a contract without permission was Drew Rosenhaus...who claimed it was the responsibility of the 49'ers to contact the players existing team.

Could we be talking a year from now about how Chad wasn't traded but the Bengals were awarded the Redskins 5th round pick due to tampering?

[HoosierCat]

That's a very interesting point. Hadn't noticed that Ocho Stupido has been maintaining radio silence. Good call.

Uhhhh, the last time it was noted Radio Chad had "gone dark" he returned with even more rancor within a week. So I'm not sure anything can or should be read into the relative period of calm currently being experienced. After all, everyone has to pause for a breath now and then.

However, the last time a Bengal -- Carson -- mentioned his name, Ocho couldn't hit Clayton's number on his speed dial fast enough. Yet only a few days later, Marvin unloads on him and...crickets. I guarantee you Chad's voice mail box started filling up with calls from sportswriters before Marvin's press conference even ended, and apparently he isn't returning them. I can only think of two possible explanations for that: one, Chad is actually dead and no one has discovered the body yet or, two, his camp has some reasonable expectation of a deal this weekend and doesn't want to risk queering it with another media brouhaha. We'll see.

On that note, this from one of espn.coms Hashmarks bloggers:

More trade offers for Chad Johnson?

April 24, 2008 7:45 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker

Hashmarks made some calls around the NFL this week and multiple league sources believe the Washington Redskins' trade proposal for Chad Johnson could open the floodgates for more to come.

The Cincinnati Bengals have been steadfast in saying they won't trade Johnson, which held off an initial rush of suitors after Johnson first went public that he wants out in February.

But Washington was the first to dive in anyway this week, putting up this year's first-round pick and a conditional third rounder in 2009. The conditional pick could be upgraded to a first or second rounder if Johnson meets performance incentives.

Now, with it public knowledge that Washington has an offer (and a pretty good one) on the table, expect other teams to be more aggressive.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that the Philadelphia Eagles and Dallas Cowboys also have made brief inquires into Johnson's availability. Perhaps they will be the next in line to put together offers comparable or better than the one made by their division rival.

[TecmoFever]

With the thought Chad is Bluffing and that he won't actually sit out...This Is what i'm worried about if we take a stand because what happens if he does show up for practice and willing to play on game day but he's not going to play at 100% or what happens if he starts pulling stuff on purpose to hurt the team ala dropping a pass...this is why well I've always have liked chad would just take redskins best offer come draft day and trade him.....

You put his ass on the bench... I don't think Chad would do that to himself, No player would make themselves look that bad.

I agree that Chad would do everything he could to make sure his stats looked good if he wasn't traded and ended up playing (which he would do--there's no way a player actually sits out a year). The problem with that is that while he may be trying to make himself look good, he wouldn't necessarily be trying to help the team win--the same team that he's beat up all offseason. What's worse, in my opinion, is the fact that any time Chad would drop a ball or have a false start or fail to make a good block, the question would pop into everyone's mind whether it was intentional or not. Granted, any professional with pride doesn't do those things, and let's just pretend for a minute that Chad Johnson is a professional. Even then, the questions will come to every fan, media person, and most importantly, the players' and coaches' mind when Chad messes up. This is a disaster and a team-morale killer...and this is the best-case scenario.

To repeat, the best-case scenario for the team if Chad stays is that he actually shuts up and tries, yet is questioned every time something goes wrong, and everyone will have to hear about it all year. Therefore, as much as it pains me to say it (because I'd love to see a player get what they've asked for finally), I hope he gets traded. Just imagine the difference in morale with him and without him. That is huge.

[BengalByTheBay]

I can only think of two possible explanations for that: one, Chad is actually dead and no one has discovered the body yet or, two, his camp has some reasonable expectation of a deal this weekend and doesn't want to risk queering it with another media brouhaha. We'll see.

What's the potential cap hit on dead?

[HoosierCat]

I can only think of two possible explanations for that: one, Chad is actually dead and no one has discovered the body yet or, two, his camp has some reasonable expectation of a deal this weekend and doesn't want to risk queering it with another media brouhaha. We'll see.

What's the potential cap hit on dead?

Oh c'mon, you think Mikey would cut him even if he were dead? He'd just have Chad's corpse stuffed for use as a tackling dummy. He's going to get something for all that bonus money he paid!

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Hey, shouldn't the thread title be changed back since Marvin undenied his denial of the trade rumors?

[BengalByTheBay]

I can only think of two possible explanations for that: one, Chad is actually dead and no one has discovered the body yet or, two, his camp has some reasonable expectation of a deal this weekend and doesn't want to risk queering it with another media brouhaha. We'll see.

What's the potential cap hit on dead?

Oh c'mon, you think Mikey would cut him even if he were dead? He'd just have Chad's corpse stuffed for use as a tackling dummy. He's going to get something for all that bonus money he paid!

Good point. And even a dead Chad would probably be more exciting than Rod Woodson on NFLN.

[HairOnFire]

Hey, shouldn't the thread title be changed back since Marvin undenied his denial of the trade rumors?

Edit it. It's your thread.

[HairOnFire]

That's a very interesting point. Hadn't noticed that Ocho Stupido has been maintaining radio silence. Good call.

Uhhhh, the last time it was noted Radio Chad had "gone dark" he returned with even more rancor within a week. So I'm not sure anything can or should be read into the relative period of calm currently being experienced. After all, everyone has to pause for a breath now and then.

Well, once again so much for the idea of Chad "going dark". He was on ESPN again popping off about how he wouldn't be the first to blink and if he wasn't traded would wait the Bengals out. Then he joked about making movies with George Clooney during his down time.

My suggestion: "Agent Ocho - Douches Wild"

Frankly, if the Bengals don't trade Chad I consider his threats to wait them out very good news, and a sign that he's taken the bait that Marvin Lewis offered this week when he sarcastically described Chad Johnson as "a man of his word."

Granted, the Bengals wouldn't have Chad's services for some or perhaps all of this season, but the only way Chad Johnson will be welcomed back into the fold is if he's humbled, and IMHO that happens overnight if the events of this offseason...including the Bengals refusal to trade him...are repeated next year.

[DDOGG]

Chad said this morning on ESPN he would wait the Bengals out. He said he would make a movie with George Clooney this coming season instead of playing football with the Bengals. (He is going to make the Bengals blink first.)

[combatbengal]

Chad, we don't care what you do. No show = no paycheck! How are you going to feel when the Bengals make the playoffs without you?

[redsbengalsbucks]

He seems to have acquired Big Head syndrome. I have been around a few co-workers that caught this disease, they all seem to think that if they left the whole place would fall apart without them. This is never the case, anyone can be replaced!!!

[DDOGG]

If and the Bengals are going to go to the playoffs this year then Chad Johnson is really going to feel like the big a**hole he is. And if we just make it to the superbowl, well, then he will be just begging us to take him back, and that my friends is when we trade him.

[walzav29]

He is the exact stereotype of every hot shot in every sports movie when they get a big head. He's Steamin Willie Beaman. I can't wait for his rap album. He's become a cliche'