Andrews could still sign else where

[kurgan74]

I have to say I was a bit surprised with the tagging of Stacey Andrews as the franchise player, but

after reading up on some of the details, it appears the Bengals may try to get a couple of additional picks.

From Pro Football Talk

If Andrews signs the tender, the salary becomes fully guaranteed. The tender can be rescinded by the Bengals at any time before it is signed.

The Bengals used the non-exclusive version of the tag, which allows Andrews to negotiate with other teams. If he signs an offer sheet elsewhere that the Bengals choose not to match, the Bengals will receive two first-round draft picks.

So another team could now offer Andrews at less money and the Bengals could decide not to match or rescind the offer and secure 2 additional first rounders.

[GregCook]

I have to say I was a bit surprised with the tagging of Stacey Andrews as the franchise player, but

after reading up on some of the details, it appears the Bengals may try to get a couple of additional picks.

From Pro Football Talk

If Andrews signs the tender, the salary becomes fully guaranteed. The tender can be rescinded by the Bengals at any time before it is signed.

The Bengals used the non-exclusive version of the tag, which allows Andrews to negotiate with other teams. If he signs an offer sheet elsewhere that the Bengals choose not to match, the Bengals will receive two first-round draft picks.

So another team could now offer Andrews at less money and the Bengals could decide not to match or rescind the offer and secure 2 additional first rounders.

Ok, I'm going to pretend I'm Stacy, just for the sake of argument. Now my agent, Mr. Clouseau, brings me a hot new deal. I can sign with the Panthers for LESS money than the Bengals are offering. Should I do it?

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I have to say I was a bit surprised with the tagging of Stacey Andrews as the franchise player, but

after reading up on some of the details, it appears the Bengals may try to get a couple of additional picks.

From Pro Football Talk

If Andrews signs the tender, the salary becomes fully guaranteed. The tender can be rescinded by the Bengals at any time before it is signed.

The Bengals used the non-exclusive version of the tag, which allows Andrews to negotiate with other teams. If he signs an offer sheet elsewhere that the Bengals choose not to match, the Bengals will receive two first-round draft picks.

So another team could now offer Andrews at less money and the Bengals could decide not to match or rescind the offer and secure 2 additional first rounders.

I'm pretty sure the risk of some team offering two first round picks for Stacy ****ing Andrews is fairly remote. But if there exists a GM stupid enough to do it (cough *Millen*), I'm sure the Bengals would be just fine with that.

Hell, I'll buy him a plane ticket out of town for two first round picks. Coach, though, and too bad for whoever sits next to him.

[kurgan74]

Yeah I know it is far fetched, but we can hope. When the Bengals drafted Andrews the talking heads all taalked about how all these teams were drooling over the possibility of getting Andrews.

Andrews could choose to take a little less money for a longer term, but I doubt it.

[Kazkal]

No we can't hope because we will not receive 2 first round picks for stacey we won't receive 1....

Though If i'm not mistaken can't another team trade for the player for less then 2 1st's if they can work out a deal with the team who tagged the player?

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

No we can't hope because we will not receive 2 first round picks for stacey we won't receive 1....

Though If i'm not mistaken can't another team trade for the player for less then 2 1st's if they can work out a deal with the team who tagged the player?

I believe that's true in theory, but I don't see the horde of teams lined up to get a Bengals backup whose starts have come as an injury fill in. But sure, if somebody wants to pay us for Andrews, be my guest.

[kingwilly]

Any picks we would receive would be compensatory, not deducted from the team who signs the player away. I am unsure of the formula used to determine what round and number of picks should be compensation but 2 r1 picks seems extreme to me.

I could see Stacey considering an offer if it was long term and made him a starter, especially on a team closer to winning. I think he will get some serious looks. Teams that might give him a look could be a KC, NO, Detroit, NYJ, and Tennessee.

It was mentioned that there are not any teams clamoring to sign Bengals cast-offs/back-ups. The Pats have taken plenty of guys from us, in one fashion or another: Dillon, Artrell, Tory &Washington come to mind.

[TJJackson]

Any picks we would receive would be compensatory, not deducted from the team who signs the player away. I am unsure of the formula used to determine what round and number of picks should be compensation but 2 r1 picks seems extreme to me.

Actually, KW, we'd get 2 first rounders by rule, not by negotiation......and these would not be compensatory

This is covered in many sources, but this one from Chick Ludwig's blog will do

"Andrews also has the option of signing an offer sheet with another club. The Bengals would retain Andrews by matching the offer sheet. If the Bengals declined to match a signed offer, the team signing Andrews would be required to give the Bengals its first-round choices in the 2008 and 2009 NFL drafts"

Compensatory picks are for untagged UFAs who sign elsewhere. We may well get some nice compensaory picks for Madieu and/or Justin if they sign elsewhere, as they most probably will.

[kingwilly]

I stand corrected.

With this clarification, it is then even more obvious there would be NO team willing to part with their r1 picks in 08+09. No way. No how.

Stacey is knee insurance for Levi and Willie, oh, and Carson too.

this is still a better move than tagging Justin.

[PhunkE1]

I stand corrected.

With this clarification, it is then even more obvious there would be NO team willing to part with their r1 picks in 08+09. No way. No how.

Stacey is knee insurance for Levi and Willie, oh, and Carson too.

this is still a better move than tagging Justin.

Personally, I wish we would have tagged Madieu or no one. 4.3 mill sounds much better than 7.5. Of course this would have left us extra money to NOT use during the FA period.

Mike Brown, please wake up and realize you need to hire a freaking GM and get your hands out of football opperations!!! I think I'd rather have Al Davis as an owner then Mikey boy.

[GregCook]

I stand corrected.

With this clarification, it is then even more obvious there would be NO team willing to part with their r1 picks in 08+09. No way. No how.

Stacey is knee insurance for Levi and Willie, oh, and Carson too.

this is still a better move than tagging Justin.

Personally, I wish we would have tagged Madieu or no one. 4.3 mill sounds much better than 7.5. Of course this would have left us extra money to NOT use during the FA period.

Mike Brown, please wake up and realize you need to hire a freaking GM and get your hands out of football opperations!!! I think I'd rather have Al Davis as an owner then Mikey boy.

I've seen different types of GM's referred to on this board. I've read alot of posts demanding a "freaking GM". Some demand a "GM".

Which should we hire? Which is better?

[TJJackson]

Either would be fine. "Competent" would be better. "Skilled and experienced" would be best.

Brown is GM by title only - any real GM who performed his duties as he always has would have been fired long ago.

[HoosierCat]

I've seen different types of GM's referred to on this board. I've read alot of posts demanding a "freaking GM". Some demand a "GM".

Which should we hire? Which is better?

I would go with the "freaking" GM. This person would freak out, scream, rant and rave, etc., at any press conference, public appearances, or just when any Bengals-related question is asked in a public place (bar, restaurant, public restroom, etc.).

The freaking GM might be -- well, would be -- of the "powerless" variety of course, but at least he or she would be entertaining...

(Chris Farley would have been great for this job...)

[Pidge]

I'd rather have Al Davis as an owner then Mikey boy.

Mike may be many things to many people but to even compare Al Davis of the last few years to Mike is crossing the lines of decency.

Rather than waste 30 minutes documenting the bonehead moves by Al Davis over the last few years, I present this one, all-world piece of wettodedness from Mr. Davis:-

Sebastian Janikowski - Round: 1 / Pick: 17.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I would go with the "freaking" GM. This person would freak out, scream, rant and rave, etc., at any press conference, public appearances, or just when any Bengals-related question is asked in a public place (bar, restaurant, public restroom, etc.).

The freaking GM might be -- well, would be -- of the "powerless" variety of course, but at least he or she would be entertaining...

(Chris Farley would have been great for this job...)

I'm seeing Jim Mora Sr. "Playoffs!?!?! You wanna talk about the playoffs!?!?!"

[PhunkE1]

I'd rather have Al Davis as an owner then Mikey boy.

Mike may be many things to many people but to even compare Al Davis of the last few years to Mike is crossing the lines of decency.

Rather than waste 30 minutes documenting the bonehead moves by Al Davis over the last few years, I present this one, all-world piece of wettodedness from Mr. Davis:-

Sebastian Janikowski - Round: 1 / Pick: 17.

I know you're right, but I'm sure you all feel me on this. At least Al Davis has no problem spending some money. Al Davis has done more for the NFL than almost any other living soul. Granted he does seem to be like a crazed senile old man at this point, but the past doesn't lie. Mikey, on the other hand, is the son of one of the greatest football minds of all time. Greatness by association just doesn't cut it.

[HoosierCat]

Speaking of Al Davis, the raiders just used the exclusive version of the franchise tag on CB Nnamdi Asomugha (1 INT in 2007, 9 total picks in 5 seasons) today. Exclusive franchise $$ for the CB slot is just under $10 million.

[Pidge]

I'd rather have Al Davis as an owner then Mikey boy.

Mike may be many things to many people but to even compare Al Davis of the last few years to Mike is crossing the lines of decency.

Rather than waste 30 minutes documenting the bonehead moves by Al Davis over the last few years, I present this one, all-world piece of wettodedness from Mr. Davis:-

Sebastian Janikowski - Round: 1 / Pick: 17.

I know you're right, but I'm sure you all feel me on this. At least Al Davis has no problem spending some money. Al Davis has done more for the NFL than almost any other living soul. Granted he does seem to be like a crazed senile old man at this point, but the past doesn't lie. Mikey, on the other hand, is the son of one of the greatest football minds of all time. Greatness by association just doesn't cut it.

Sure, no doubt there are far better people out there that could be in charge. With you all the way. It could be a lot worse though. Al Davis of today or, my personal favourite, Matt Millen. He takes the GM appraoch of just flinging s**t at a wall and seeing how much sticks.

Plus as long as Mike is in charge, Cincinnati has a football team and not LA.

[Pidge]

Speaking of Al Davis, the raiders just used the exclusive version of the franchise tag on CB Nnamdi Asomugha (1 INT in 2007, 9 total picks in 5 seasons) today. Exclusive franchise $$ for the CB slot is just under $10 million.

Very good CB, IMO. Not much press though. Perception is reality and all that.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I'd rather have Al Davis as an owner then Mikey boy.

Mike may be many things to many people but to even compare Al Davis of the last few years to Mike is crossing the lines of decency.

Rather than waste 30 minutes documenting the bonehead moves by Al Davis over the last few years, I present this one, all-world piece of wettodedness from Mr. Davis:-

Sebastian Janikowski - Round: 1 / Pick: 17.

I know you're right, but I'm sure you all feel me on this. At least Al Davis has no problem spending some money. Al Davis has done more for the NFL than almost any other living soul. Granted he does seem to be like a crazed senile old man at this point, but the past doesn't lie. Mikey, on the other hand, is the son of one of the greatest football minds of all time. Greatness by association just doesn't cut it.

IMHO you're comparing the legacy of Al Davis to Mike Brown. As it stands now, between the two, I'll definitely stand pat with the hand I got.