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Especially after the 49ers debacle. The old folks here will remember that one. Like being kicked in the testes. With steel-toed boots.

All this smelly start needs is a looming strike to add insult to injury.

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Especially after the 49ers debacle. The old folks here will remember that one. Like being kicked in the testes. With steel-toed boots.

All this smelly start needs is a looming strike to add insult to injury.

I'm 31 and I remember that one. I was 11 years old and yelling at the TV "Just throw it through the back of the endzone and take a safety!!!!"

1987 huh? I'll take that actually. A talented underachieving team that went to the Superbowl the next year. 1988 AFC Champs.

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Especially after the 49ers debacle. The old folks here will remember that one. Like being kicked in the testes. With steel-toed boots.

All this smelly start needs is a looming strike to add insult to injury.

Yeah, maybe. I don't have that feel for it just yet. I do, however, recall how there was an overwhelming excitement at 3-0 in 2006. That was probably overdone. I feel like the "window ledge" mentality right now is also overdone. I'm not saying the Bengals go 13-3 or anything, but a little perspective seems warranted.

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Especially after the 49ers debacle. The old folks here will remember that one. Like being kicked in the testes. With steel-toed boots.

All this smelly start needs is a looming strike to add insult to injury.

Yeah, maybe. I don't have that feel for it just yet. I do, however, recall how there was an overwhelming excitement at 3-0 in 2006. That was probably overdone. I feel like the "window ledge" mentality right now is also overdone. I'm not saying the Bengals go 13-3 or anything, but a little perspective seems warranted.

Agreed. The season isn't over yet, even considering the injuries. Landon and Brooks ought to be alright after the bye. Henry and Perry should find their way back onto the team somehow.

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Especially after the 49ers debacle. The old folks here will remember that one. Like being kicked in the testes. With steel-toed boots.

All this smelly start needs is a looming strike to add insult to injury.

Yeah, maybe. I don't have that feel for it just yet. I do, however, recall how there was an overwhelming excitement at 3-0 in 2006. That was probably overdone. I feel like the "window ledge" mentality right now is also overdone. I'm not saying the Bengals go 13-3 or anything, but a little perspective seems warranted.

Agreed. The season isn't over yet, even considering the injuries. Landon and Brooks ought to be alright after the bye. Henry and Perry should find their way back onto the team somehow.

Right. And thanks to Pitt. stumbling against AZ, there is at least some prospect of the division race staying in sight. There are some positives, including the fact that the Rats (every writer's pre-season darling) are now 0-2 in the division. A couple of wins and another loss for Pitt against either Seattle or Denver and things are looking up. Obviously, one thing that we all agree needs to happen, however, is that the Bengals have to get right over the next couple of weeks and re-learn how to win a football game.

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Especially after the 49ers debacle. The old folks here will remember that one. Like being kicked in the testes. With steel-toed boots.

All this smelly start needs is a looming strike to add insult to injury.

I'm 31 and I remember that one. I was 11 years old and yelling at the TV "Just throw it through the back of the endzone and take a safety!!!!"

1987 huh? I'll take that actually. A talented underachieving team that went to the Superbowl the next year. 1988 AFC Champs.

I was 12 years old for that game. That game and the 1995 UM/OSU game are the only games I remember being truly upset after a loss.

Of course 1987 was a strike year. So tough to really compare.

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I think the injuries are a direct result of poor roster management which has lead to overuse of the starters.

I was thinking just the opposite, the injuries have lead to overuse of some of the starters this season. Which in turn has lead to more injuries, a vicious cycle.

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I think the injuries are a direct result of poor roster management which has lead to overuse of the starters.

I was thinking just the opposite, the injuries have lead to overuse of some of the starters this season. Which in turn has lead to more injuries, a vicious cycle.

How can they be over-used in 1-2 games. Stupid. And were is the proof? Any stats showing increase number of plays? Maybe the last game, but the "starters" were injured in the preseason-1st game. This is WEEK 4. It is our 3rd stringers are getting hurt because our starters were already out. And the only real injuries to speak of are at linebacker. No dline injuries. No secondary injuries except jj who missed 1 game. The oline doesnt rotate so that is stupid to say about them too. CJ and TJ are not injured and are normally always on the field. Rudy is an everydown back and so would normally play alot with kw coming in on 3rd down. What, do you want carson to rotate with fitzpatrick? Ignorant.

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I think the injuries are a direct result of poor roster management which has lead to overuse of the starters.

I was thinking just the opposite, the injuries have lead to overuse of some of the starters this season. Which in turn has lead to more injuries, a vicious cycle.

How can they be over-used in 1-2 games. Stupid. And were is the proof? Any stats showing increase number of plays? Maybe the last game, but the "starters" were injured in the preseason-1st game. This is WEEK 4. It is our 3rd stringers are getting hurt because our starters were already out. And the only real injuries to speak of are at linebacker. No dline injuries. No secondary injuries except jj who missed 1 game. The oline doesnt rotate so that is stupid to say about them too. CJ and TJ are not injured and are normally always on the field. Rudy is an everydown back and so would normally play alot with kw coming in on 3rd down. What, do you want carson to rotate with fitzpatrick? Ignorant.

Well it seems you have reinforced my position that certain players are always on the field. The poor roster management I was referring to is that we have six safeties on the roster and currently only three healthy LB's. The overuse comes into play when most of the players on special teams are pulling double duty. True, most teams have some starters on special teams, but not to the extent that the Bengals have had to use them. At some point don't you think that those who are pulling double duty are getting fatigued at the end of games and may be susceptible to mental breakdowns in coverage. Just a thought, but it seems fairly obvious that the trouble we have had on special teams has come late in games.

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I think the injuries are a direct result of poor roster management which has lead to overuse of the starters.

I was thinking just the opposite, the injuries have lead to overuse of some of the starters this season. Which in turn has lead to more injuries, a vicious cycle.

How can they be over-used in 1-2 games. Stupid. And were is the proof? Any stats showing increase number of plays? Maybe the last game, but the "starters" were injured in the preseason-1st game. This is WEEK 4. It is our 3rd stringers are getting hurt because our starters were already out. And the only real injuries to speak of are at linebacker. No dline injuries. No secondary injuries except jj who missed 1 game. The oline doesnt rotate so that is stupid to say about them too. CJ and TJ are not injured and are normally always on the field. Rudy is an everydown back and so would normally play alot with kw coming in on 3rd down. What, do you want carson to rotate with fitzpatrick? Ignorant.

Well it seems you have reinforced my position that certain players are always on the field. The poor roster management I was referring to is that we have six safeties on the roster and currently only three healthy LB's. The overuse comes into play when most of the players on special teams are pulling double duty. True, most teams have some starters on special teams, but not to the extent that the Bengals have had to use them. At some point don't you think that those who are pulling double duty are getting fatigued at the end of games and may be susceptible to mental breakdowns in coverage. Just a thought, but it seems fairly obvious that the trouble we have had on special teams has come late in games.

Um, your premise is about poor roster management causing over playing of starters thus causing injury, not certain players are always on the field, causing a breakdown on special teams. Read your own post next time before you change your premise again. If we have not played but 4 games, and the injuries occured in or before the first game, then ispo facto they cannot be caused by over play because they have not been overplayed. And you gloss over the fact that almost the entire offense never rotates on any team, and the only injuries on d are at linebacker. And what d starters are on special teams and have been hurt? (landon is not a starter but a second stringer forced into a starting role by injury/suspension as are the others that play special teams). Once the roster is set in camp, when starters get hurt or are suspended most teams have no choice but to play those who have practiced at special teams or sign those who have not practiced and risk a greater "breakdown". Then the team would be forced to IR some players to make room which you may need if they can get healthy in a few weeks. And you cant pup if they practice. So pick your poison.

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It is a fact that some players are playing many more plays, due to injury. The starters of a game, even if they were 3rd stringers at the start of the season are now playing thier role on ST's along with a majority of the snaps on Def/Off in some cases.

Injuries have shaped the playing time of many Bengal players this season and it has affected the outcome of every game played so far.

There is very little that can be done to help with this problem, untill some players get healthy this will continue to be the way the Bengals field a team.

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It is a fact that some players are playing many more plays, due to injury. The starters of a game, even if they were 3rd stringers at the start of the season are now playing thier role on ST's along with a majority of the snaps on Def/Off in some cases.

Injuries have shaped the playing time of many Bengal players this season and it has affected the outcome of every game played so far.

There is very little that can be done to help with this problem, untill some players get healthy this will continue to be the way the Bengals field a team.

Since you either are or appear to feign ignorance and cant read what was written, I will repeat that his premise is "poor roster management" and "playing starters" and that marvin or mike brown is to blame for such. When your "starters" or 1st stringers cant play because of injury, what can you do? You can bring in someone else in which case you must make room on the roster. If this is done your "injured starters" cannot return this season and that would be stupid if you expect them to return in a couple of games. Or you can allow the players who are not starters and are special teams players/subs to play both for a couple of games until your "starters" return. Simple simon. I guess in your world you consider a bunch of guys who were not on the team when we broke camp to be starters, and you want everyone who is hurt to be put on IR so we can sign a bunch of special teams players so that our 3-4 stringers can get some rest during the game? Pure genius :sure: . Why didnt marvin think of that. He should be fired!

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There`s a strike going on ?

No, oldschooler, that's why I mentioned all this toxic start needed to be like 1987 was a looming strike. But I know you remember those first few games. Bad luck, injuries, the Wyche debacle in the 49er game. It was all a nightmare. Then, you toss in the strike, and it went to ridiculous.

That was my musing with this thread.

Hopefully, unlike 1987, when the strike finished putting a bullet in the head of the season, there will be a rebound. But I've seen this kind of start before from a Bengals team that was supposed to be decent, and it was that year...

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  • 2 weeks later...

Bump.

It's crazy how deja vu this is.

Legitimate expectations, torpedoed for a variety of reasons: bad coaching, injuries, poor play, official who bend the team over and f**k it for all they're worth. It's a replay for me. For all you young'uns, that's the closest parallel I can come up with.

All that's missing, as I said at the start of this thread, is a looming strike.

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Curnutte is going for a more recent comparision...

After the game, Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said, "What I told our football team in there just now, I thought for the first time this football season we played like a football team in the second half of this game. And though we didn't come out and win this football game today, I thought we made some progress and some signs of a football team, not a bunch of individual guys."

Is it me, or does that sound a lot like Dick LeBeau trying to plug emotional holes as his 2002 team spriralized down to a 2-14 record?

No, Mark, sad to say IMHO it's not just you... :(

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I'm sticking with 2002. The parallels are pretty strong.

Coming off LeBeau's disasterous 2-14 season, the offense had three key needs: a franchise QB, an o-line upgrade, and a No. 3 wideout to compliment Chad and TJ.

Going into this offseason, the offense has three key needs: a franchise RB, an o-line upgrade, and...yes, still...WR, thanks to Chad's antics, TJ's contract status, Henry being one misstep away from a ban, and Chatman's status as an always-injured turd.

After 2002, it was clear the D needed to be blown up -- and it was. In the 2003 and 2004 offseasons, almost the entire D was let go or sent packing. Only a handful of guys, most notably Brian Simmons and Justin Smith, were retained.

Already this year, it's clear the D needs to be blown up. Beyond Geathers, Peko, JJoe and Hall, there isn't much I'd shed a tear over losing.

Based on that, are there reasons for hope in 2008? I think so. For one thing, finding a good RB is a lot easier than finding a franchise QB. We may even have one in house already, tho I remain leery of depending on Perry and Irons. Certainly we can expect an immediate impact to RB, versus having to wait multiple years to develop a QB. In short, I think that getting the offense back toward its 2005 form isn't a daunting challenge.

On defense, if the Bengals duplicate their post-2002 strategy, I think they stand a chance of bouncing back. That year, they team dumped a bunch of bums and dove deeply into free agency, bringing in Hardy, Thornton, James, Clemons and Powell. Of that group, only Hardy was a waste, with all the others playing key roles in pushing the D out of the basement in 2003.

The wild card I see on D is coaching. If Chucky stays, no amount of FAs or draft pciks is going to save this team.

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