volcom69 Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 on espn they asked mel and mort which teams in the afc had the best draft and mel said the bengals and mort said the titans so i guess its not as bad as some people think i think they did great even though people disagree. but hey were fans and there the couches and scouts so they know more then we do about these players so i say we did great and mel kiper jr says we did to and he knows alot more then me. just thought i would let everone know even though i know it wont change peoples mind on the draft but thought i would share what he had to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 yeah this is what mel does for a living, so i hope he knows more then we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say they had the best draft (but hey, thanks, Mel) but I think they did OK, and maybe even better than that.I was watching draft coverage on and off today, and I caught offhand comment by Chris Mortensen. Yesterday, he said, he'd thought the Bengals were doing a good job, but in talking with some other teams last evening, the consensus was that the Bengals were (on day 1) consistently taking guys about half a round to a round too early.I found that the most interesting thing Mort had to say all day (at least that I heard). That they consistently seemed to have other teams' second- and third-ranked players as their No. 1 guy suggests to me not that there was some scouting failure, but that the Bengals were employing a slightly different definition of value than the one common among NFL clubs. And by applying their definition, they consistently came up with a slightly different ranking than most other clubs.Based on how they drafted, I think the key point of difference between the Bengals' and other teams' definitions of value was how they ranked current playing ability versus potential playing ability. The consistently opted for players who were currently more well-rounded and polished, but who had relatively limited upside, over those who were perhaps not as skilled right now, but who might become the better player 3-4 years down the road.Let me add that I also think that definition was only employed on day one; today they shifted back to the more conventional "potential first, current playing ability second" definition of value, grabbing guys like Askew and, especially, Andrews.This makes sense to me. It minimizes your risks and maximizes your immediate (first and second year) returns from your top picks, while still givng you the same chance as any other team of finding a gem in later rounds. The downside, of course, is that you forfeit your chance at that potential Pro Bowler in the first couple rounds. But for a team like the Bengals, which has not only numerous holes to fill but a lot of depth to build as well, it's a strategy that makes sense. Once you have a team full of solid-but-not-spectacular players, then you can take your shot at that big game-changing guy in the first, or that top-flight but big-bucks FA.So yeah, I'm with Mel. We did good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle_Fever Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 I'm not complaining about who the Bengals took but when they took them. You have to be aware of where guys will fall. That part, I dont think they did well. Its fine to target a guy but get him in the right spot. I havnt seen how the draft unfolded today so I cant say too much about 4-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtsmith38 Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Im just tired of all the "fans" ripping the Bengals for a terrible draft. Which personally, I think it was pretty good, but who am I? We have draft analysts and professionals saying this is a good draft. Most importantly, for once in a long time, I trust the coaches and staff to make the right decisions and pick the right players for the team. Also trusting them on ordering the depth chart, 'ie QB'. Anyways, Im drunk and a newbie on here so you might not respect what I saying, but dammit, Ive always loved the Bengals, and Ill always be one of the first ones to tell you about it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Welcome to the Zone! i think alot of us thought that we reached a bit on our picks(I smell Bruce). We could have waited on a few of the picks and they would have been there.Overall it was a good draft but it could have been better if not for the the reaching(Did I say Bruce might be to blame here). We had some good picks and some real bad picks. You have to earn the right to disagree, first ,rookie so get another beer and ease on in to it before you question the fans bitch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted April 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 we have so many guys now to compete and they will pick the best one for the position so we have alot of depth now on our roster in spots so im happy about that very happy. and i like the perry move its good for palmer and im sure hes excited right now to have some one like him to help out perrys got some great hands so now palmer can get rid of it fast when being pressured but im new on here to so im sure my opinion dont count either but im not going to sit here and bash this team that i love for a draft that we didnt even see any guys play yet lets just wait till the season then say whats up but for now ive a got a great positive attitude towards this team and coaches. great job oh and mort said that the ravens had one of the worst drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 ya but how many of the picks we took woulda been there 32 picks later at our next pick? A trade is not always an option, we wanted who we wanted and got them when we had a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Look if you rate a guy a 2nd rounds pick but most everybody else has him as a 3rd or 4th, it doesn't mean that you are wrong about the player.But it does mean that you can almost for sure get him with a lower pick than a 2nd."we wanted who we wanted and got them when we had a chance. "I like that concept, there is a lot to be said for it.But now far do you go with it ?I mean what if Perry is the top guy on your want list, but he gets picked before your 1st pick.Ratliff is your next guy, but are you going to go on and take him in the 1st round ?"but how many of the picks we took woulda been there 32 picks later at our next pick?"Most likely at least 2 or 3.I think that it is pretty clear that the Bengals did a lot of reaching on the 1st day.But it is over now and the Bengals did get some guys who are PLAYERS.I am sure that ML will get the Most out of then along with the FAs and will Mold a new a Better Bengal team for 04.And take the team to the Play Offs ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 I found that the most interesting thing Mort had to say all day (at least that I heard). That they consistently seemed to have other teams' second- and third-ranked players as their No. 1 guy suggests to me not that there was some scouting failure, but that the Bengals were employing a slightly different definition of value than the one common among NFL clubs. And by applying their definition, they consistently came up with a slightly different ranking than most other clubs.I was disappointed when Jake Grove was picked a few spots ahead of the Bengals. With S. Jackson and Jones still on the board I wonder if they could've dropped a little lower, picked Perry and picked up a higher second round pick and address the need at center with Grove.But I think they consistently went after guys that could (1) run and (2) were intelligent players. I think they wanted guys that can be big contributors on special teams because of that speed.I do hope that next year they leave Micahel Irvin off of that show. A couple of times I thought Mort was going to slug him or laugh in his face. He made Mel Kiper seem enjoyable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Well, I think one of the biggest things, outside of potential, and performance, at least from Lewis's standpoint was CHARACTER... They want people to come in here with little baggage and a DESIRE to play ball, regardless of the team. Were some of the picks a reach ?? I think so, but who the hell am I to question Lewis ?? That's why I'm a Medical Instructor instead of an NFL scout / coach... Anyway, I'm pleased overall and am looking forward to the season beginning !!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Boy Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 I also don't mind the players we took, so much as when we selected them. I thought that when we traded down and got the extra 4th, that we would use that to move up in round 2 and get Grove or Smiley. I liked what we did in the 4th round, but it seems like most players we selected on day one will have a limited impact this year. While Perry was a bit of a reach, he could help on 3rd down when Palmer starts to get happy feet. It will be good to have a good receiver out of the backfield to check down to. PS this is only my second post, how do you guys paste the pictures on your posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 PS this is only my second post, how do you guys paste the pictures on your posts? First off...welcome to the 'Zone Mikey. To put pictures in post/avatars etc, go to the top of any forums page and select "My Controls". It's right under the Bengalszone Message Board logo. From there edit your signature, avatar, etc.Play around with it a little bit until you get it the way you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 I think last years draft put everyone's expectation too high for this year. Last year there was more name recognition and now this season, not so many for some of us novice non-draft analysts. The one dire need we needed was depth, and I think we really addressed that well. I think we need to be in wait and see mode rather than attack, for now at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 I'm just wondering how many people that state these players would have been there in the next round,also stated that taking Grove in first would have been foolish,as he would be there for us in the second round.Just because your Pro Football Weekly or Sporting News draft guide says so doesn't mean that it will work out that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 I'm just wondering how many people that state these players would have been there in the next round,also stated that taking Grove in first would have been foolish,as he would be there for us in the second round.Just because your Pro Football Weekly or Sporting News draft guide says so doesn't mean that it will work out that way. i remember reading at least one quote by a bengals coach saying that for one of the guys they picked up, they had other teams calling to try and arrange a trade, so they could get them. anyone remember who that was...?im just wondering if it was for one of our "reach" picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rem356 Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 It was Ratliff, the CB. Andy Reid of the Eagles wanted to trade up to draft him....so I guess other good coaches saw what Marvin seen in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 It was Ratliff, the CB. Andy Reid of the Eagles wanted to trade up to draft him....so I guess other good coaches saw what Marvin seen in him. yeah, i was just coming back to post who it was. thanks i also liked how lewis said at least 4 other coaches called him to congratulte him on his day 1 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 I read somewhere that Lewis took grief for "reaching" on Ray Lewis in the first round. Let's hope the trend continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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