Thurman to be released from the Hamilton County jail...

[agreen_112]

I heard over the weekend from a reliable source (my buddy a sherriff's deputy that works in the jail) that Odell was to be release today from the Hamilton Co. jail... I called him this morning and he checked the dockit (bad spelling) and confirmed that he was to be released today.

1. Why the hell is he in the Hamilton Co. jail? (My buddy said it was because of his violation of probation, that's all) Is it possible that his violation in Kentucky violated his probation in Hamilton, Co.? 2. Is there anyway that someone else can confirm this?

My buddy also said that he talked to Odell and he said that he would probably never play in the NFL again

[TJJackson]

wait.....uh....so you mean he is not one of our *starting* linebackers this year?

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

My buddy also said that he talked to Odell and he said that he would probably never play in the NFL again

That's what happens when you're a moron and can't show up for drug tests and parole hearings on time.

[agreen_112]

wait.....uh....so you mean he is not one of our *starting* linebackers this year?

No one seen all this coming you jackass!

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

wait.....uh....so you mean he is not one of our *starting* linebackers this year?

No one seen all this coming you jackass!

Horsecrap, I'd have taken money on it. I think I gave him about a 50% chance of never playing in the NFL again. Anyone who was paying attention would have reasonably concluded that if he got 4 strikes in just over a year, there was a pretty slim chance of him staying out of trouble for his whole suspension.

Just because you had your head...in the sand, doesn't mean I didn't see this coming.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Do we really need another new thread about this idiot?

[agreen_112]

wait.....uh....so you mean he is not one of our *starting* linebackers this year?

No one seen all this coming you jackass!

Horsecrap, I'd have taken money on it. I think I gave him about a 50% chance of never playing in the NFL again. Anyone who was paying attention would have reasonably concluded that if he got 4 strikes in just over a year, there was a pretty slim chance of him staying out of trouble for his whole suspension.

Just because you had your head...in the sand, doesn't mean I didn't see this coming.

BS. We were all expecting him to come back FIRST (then screw it up, in some of your oppinions). NOT miss another season because of missing a probation meeting. NO ONE seen it coming like this. Oh well, Ahmad looked good on Thursday!

[agreen_112]

Do we really need another new thread about this idiot?

Thought this was interesting, haven't seen anyone mention him actually being in Jail.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

wait.....uh....so you mean he is not one of our *starting* linebackers this year?

No one seen all this coming you jackass!

Horsecrap, I'd have taken money on it. I think I gave him about a 50% chance of never playing in the NFL again. Anyone who was paying attention would have reasonably concluded that if he got 4 strikes in just over a year, there was a pretty slim chance of him staying out of trouble for his whole suspension.

Just because you had your head...in the sand, doesn't mean I didn't see this coming.

BS. We were all expecting him to come back FIRST (then screw it up, in some of your oppinions). NOT miss another season because of missing a probation meeting. NO ONE seen it coming like this. Oh well, Ahmad looked good on Thursday!

Don't tell me BS, I predicted there was a high chance he'd never play another down. Don't tell me NO ONE saw this coming. *I* saw this coming, and I think anyone with a brain who's paying attention would have seen it too.

[Rob]

Pac Man's dumb a$$ will be sitting the whole season but O'dell, who has already missed a full season, gets suspended for another one for missing a parole meeting...give me a break. This is ridiculous, maybe he was on vacation, maybe his mom was sick down in GA, ubsurd.....let him do his 15 days or whatever and move on.....maybe give him a 4 game suspension but a year....come on.

I did not see this coming and I still don't exactly get how it did come....the Players Union needs to step up right now, this kind of retaliation at players with troubled pasts should not be tolerated.

If Steve McNair would have missed an alcohol class after getting his 2nd degree DUI or whatever, would he be suspended? Get Real Badell.

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[oldschooler]

Odell wasn`t in jail, he was in rehab . . .

Odell Thurman To Be Released From Rehab

Last Update: Aug 13, 2007 8:43 AM

A suspended Bengals linebacker is scheduled to be released from rehab today.

Odell Thurman spent the last six days in treatment at a Talbert House facility, as part of his sentenced for a DUI arrest last October.

Thurman turned himself into the Hamilton County Justice Center a week ago. He will be back in court next Tuesday for a hearing on a probation violation. Thurman is also in the midst of a one year suspension from NFL play.

http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/story.a...4f-87044725785d

[oldschooler]

Horsecrap, I'd have taken money on it. I think I gave him about a 50% chance of never playing in the NFL again. Anyone who was paying attention would have reasonably concluded that if he got 4 strikes in just over a year, there was a pretty slim chance of him staying out of trouble for his whole suspension.

Just because you had your head...in the sand, doesn't mean I didn't see this coming.

Odell has 3 strikes, not 4. And he has only broken the law once.

By all accounts, he has done everything asked of him for the past year,

except meet his PROBATION Officer. And he`ll have his day in

court for that soon. I`m sure there is a valid excuse. I just can`t

see his Agent, Lawyer, Family/Friends and the team not knowing

about the meeting . . .

Don't tell me BS, I predicted there was a high chance he'd never play another down. Don't tell me NO ONE saw this coming. *I* saw this coming, and I think anyone with a brain who's paying attention would have seen it too.

Funny. Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis said publicly that they would like to have Odell back.

They had a room ready for himat Georgetown. They urged Odell to appeal Goodell`s denial

of his reinstatement.

If I`m judging someone bye their past, their most recent past holds precedence

over what happened a year ago, or back in College.

You should try it . . .

[Larry]

wait.....uh....so you mean he is not one of our *starting* linebackers this year?

No one seen all this coming you jackass!

Horsecrap, I'd have taken money on it. I think I gave him about a 50% chance of never playing in the NFL again. Anyone who was paying attention would have reasonably concluded that if he got 4 strikes in just over a year, there was a pretty slim chance of him staying out of trouble for his whole suspension.

Just because you had your head...in the sand, doesn't mean I didn't see this coming.

BS. We were all expecting him to come back FIRST (then screw it up, in some of your oppinions). NOT miss another season because of missing a probation meeting. NO ONE seen it coming like this. Oh well, Ahmad looked good on Thursday!

Did you watch the same game as I did??? Ahmad did not look good.... How can he look good with no tackles?? I will give up that he has great speed. He had good coverage on the swing out play.... Did you see him do something else that was good??

[agreen_112]

Pac Man's dumb a$$ will be sitting the whole season but O'dell, who has already missed a full season, gets suspended for another one for missing a parole meeting...give me a break. This is ridiculous, maybe he was on vacation, maybe his mom was sick down in GA, ubsurd.....let him do his 15 days or whatever and move on.....maybe give him a 4 game suspension but a year....come on.

I did not see this coming and I still don't exactly get how it did come....the Players Union needs to step up right now, this kind of retaliation at players with troubled pasts should not be tolerated.

If Steve McNair would have missed an alcohol class after getting his 2nd degree DUI or whatever, would he be suspended? Get Real Badell.

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I agree 100%. This is just complete BS. NO ONE seen Odell missing another season for failure to comply with PROBATION, I don't care what anyone says, this is BS.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

By all accounts, he has done everything asked of him for the past year,

except meet his PROBATION Officer. And he`ll have his day in

court for that soon. I`m sure there is a valid excuse. I just can`t

see his Agent, Lawyer, Family/Friends and the team not knowing

about the meeting . . .

...

Funny. Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis said publicly that they would like to have Odell back.

They had a room ready for himat Georgetown. They urged Odell to appeal Goodell`s denial

of his reinstatement.

If I`m judging someone bye their past, their most recent past holds precedence

over what happened a year ago, or back in College.

You should try it . . .

Same old sob story. Odell's had positive drug tests, a DUI, a missed drug test, and he doesn't show up for a parole hearing. He was also a known risk coming out of college.

Think about the two that he's skipped - a drug test that he knows will cause him to be suspended for a year if he misses it, and a parole hearing that will put him in jail, he skips both of them. Unless he can produce a dying relative on a deathbead, there is no excuse for that.

As far as judging someone from their past, how short of a window do you use? When someone's got a long history of being a moron, I'm not going to assume they've cleaned up their act based on their ability to not get arrested for a couple of months. Give me a break. Fact is, a person's past behavior indicates what they're likely to do in the future. I've never been arrested, never gotten a DUI, so I'm not too likely to start. Odell, on the other hand, has a long history of being a screwup, with no obvious end in sight.

At this point, him skipping his parole hearing is his most recent past, so I'll judge him by his complete lack of responsibility it shows that he can't even get to a meeting that will keep him out of jail. Like I said, unless someone's dying, it's no excuse.

You're right, Mike said he'd like to get Odell back. Marvin, on the other hand, was far more noncommittal, since he probably knew what the chances of getting him back actually were. Which, as I *correctly* predicted, was low.

[agreen_112]

Odell wasn`t in jail, he was in rehab . . .

Odell Thurman To Be Released From Rehab

Last Update: Aug 13, 2007 8:43 AM

A suspended Bengals linebacker is scheduled to be released from rehab today.

Odell Thurman spent the last six days in treatment at a Talbert House facility, as part of his sentenced for a DUI arrest last October.

Thurman turned himself into the Hamilton County Justice Center a week ago. He will be back in court next Tuesday for a hearing on a probation violation. Thurman is also in the midst of a one year suspension from NFL play.

http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/story.a...4f-87044725785d

It's part of the jail network, apparently he was at the jail at one point in time then moved to Talbert. My buddy did say he was in Talbert, but I wasn't sure if anyone knew what it was, I sure didn't.

[oldschooler]

Did you watch the same game as I did??? Ahmad did not look good.... How can he look good with no tackles?? I will give up that he has great speed. He had good coverage on the swing out play.... Did you see him do something else that was good??

I thought Brooks looked good. He got some pressure on the QB,

and redirected some plays. He didn`t have any tackles, but he was

taken out of 1 series because of problems with his helmet, and

plus the Lions didn`t run a lot. The only starting LB that had

a tackle was Jeanty, and he had ONE.

[agreen_112]

Did you watch the same game as I did??? Ahmad did not look good.... How can he look good with no tackles?? I will give up that he has great speed. He had good coverage on the swing out play.... Did you see him do something else that was good??

I thought Brooks looked good. He got some pressure on the QB,

and redirected some plays. He didn`t have any tackles, but he was

taken out of 1 series because of problems with his helmet, and

plus the Lions didn`t run a lot. The only starting LB that had

a tackle was Jeanty, and he had ONE.

I should've put *sarcastic* in there somewhere... I didn't know no other LB except Jeanty had a tackle and Jeanty had only one. I sure hope this is a fluke and Brooks decides shows up next game, if not we may be screwed this year at LB'r.

[Stripes]

I agree 100%. This is just complete BS. NO ONE seen Odell missing another season for failure to comply with PROBATION, I don't care what anyone says, this is BS.

Whether anyone saw *ahem* it coming is irrelevant. Odell screwed up, and the suspension is on him.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I agree 100%. This is just complete BS. NO ONE seen Odell missing another season for failure to comply with PROBATION, I don't care what anyone says, this is BS.

Oh yeah, this is just for you Greeny. Here's what I posted in January:

"Christ, just bleeping forget about Odell. Does this look like a guy who has the ability to stay clean in the NFL? At the rate he's currently at, he will never play in the NFL again. He can't stay clean. Guess who that sounds like? Ricky Williams. It's just not worth the crap trying to get the guy clean, planning around him only to have him get suspended. Again.

Every day it seems, somebody starts another Odell thread. He's not playing for the Bengals again. He very well may not play in the league again at all. Looks like there was a reason the other 31 teams passed on him. He's not good enough to justify the crap."

So there you go. I didn't predict it would be a probation violation, but anyone could have seen him doing *something* over a 1-year period to screw up. Hell, I'm surprised he almost made it to the end of the year!

That said, am I surprised he skipped a hearing? No. Would I have guessed that Goodell would have suspended him for a probation violation? Definitely. Anyone who's watched Goodell's actions would know that.

[oldschooler]

Same old sob story. Odell's had positive drug tests, a DUI, a missed drug test, and he doesn't show up for a parole hearing. He was also a known risk coming out of college.

No one is sobbing.

Odell never had a positive drug test. And he isn`t on parole. He`s on PROBATION.

Think about the two that he's skipped - a drug test that he knows will cause him to be suspended for a year if he misses it, and a parole hearing that will put him in jail, he skips both of them. Unless he can produce a dying relative on a deathbead, there is no excuse for that.

The complaint that was filed had the wrong name, and wrong City listed for Odell.

The NFL gives a player 24 hours to be at a designated place for a drug tests.

Odell didn`t get suspended for a year because of the drug tests, he got suspended

for a year because he got a DUI while being in stage 2 intervention of the Substance

Abuse Policy.

Also, again, Odell isn`t on PAROLE. He`s on PROBATION.

As far as judging someone from their past, how short of a window do you use? When someone's got a long history of being a moron, I'm not going to assume they've cleaned up their act based on their ability to not get arrested for a couple of months. Give me a break. Fact is, a person's past behavior indicates what they're likely to do in the future. I've never been arrested, never gotten a DUI, so I'm not too likely to start. Odell, on the other hand, has a long history of being a screwup, with no obvious end in sight.

I didn`t say you shouldn`t take a person`s past into account.

I said their recent past takes precedence over what they did

a year ago (and he has been punished for and by all accounts abided by the

terms set down by the Law and the NFL).

I`ve done a lot of bad things in my past.

No of which have any bearing on today or tomorrow, other than I learned

from those mistakes. People change, The richest man can`t change yesterday.

But even the poorest man can change tomorrow.

At this point, him skipping his parole hearing is his most recent past, so I'll judge him by his complete lack of responsibility it shows that he can't even get to a meeting that will keep him out of jail. Like I said, unless someone's dying, it's no excuse.

You keep saying PAROLE.

And how do you know the facts behind him missing the appointment with

his PROBATION Officer ?

Oh that`s right, you don`t.

You're right, Mike said he'd like to get Odell back. Marvin, on the other hand, was far more noncommittal, since he probably knew what the chances of getting him back actually were. Which, as I *correctly* predicted, was low.

Marvin sounded very commited when he spoke with Paul Daugherty on 700 WLW.

He also said he was disappointed for Odell. Marvin isn`t some puppet. If he didn`t

want Odell on the Bengals, I have no doubt that Odell wouldn`t be back on the Bengals.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

The complaint that was filed had the wrong name, and wrong City listed for Odell.

You know, I've never been arrested, but as I understand it, it's rather customary to arrange *probation* (happy?) hearings in advance. They don't just surprise you with it. I'm not buying the whole 'I didn't know!' crap.

The NFL gives a player 24 hours to be at a designated place for a drug tests.

Which shouldn't pose a problem in our modern age of plane travel. Not like he'd have to find a covered wagon heading west.

I didn`t say you shouldn`t take a person`s past into account. I said their recent past takes precedence over what they did a year ago (and he has been punished for and by all accounts abided by the terms set down by the Law and the NFL).

OK. And when he does anything to indicate that he's changed, I'll agree with you. What I see is a guy who still makes excuses for everything that happens to him. Odell's recent past isn't good. If he can go for more than a year and make every meeting and stay clean, I might give him the benefit of the doubt. But he's never managed to do that. Let's put it this way - burden of proof is on you to show he *has* changed, not on me to prove he hasn't. Especially when his stupidity keeps proving me correct.

I`ve done a lot of bad things in my past. No of which have any bearing on today or tomorrow, other than I learned from those mistakes. People change, The richest man can`t change yesterday. But even the poorest man can change tomorrow.

That's a nice feel-good, empty quotation. The fact is that drug abusers and DUI recipients have a very high rate of recidivism, and a person's history is a really good predictor of what they'll do in the future. The difference between you and Odell, possibly, is that you've learned from your mistakes and he hasn't...yet, if ever.

And how do you know the facts behind him missing the appointment with his PROBATION Officer ? Oh that`s right, you don`t.

Unless someone's dying - and if they were, we'd have heard about it - I don't care why. Nothing short of a terminal illness is a sufficient excuse. Again, burden of proof is on him. People that have screwed up as much as him don't get the benefit of the doubt.

[GregCook]

Any quesstimates on when the Bengals give Odell his release? I'm thinking before the first game of the season. Time to move on.....unless he played running back at Georgia.

[CantStop85]

I got my hopes up when I saw the first part of the title...I thought the Bengals were going to finally cut him.

[oldschooler]

You know, I've never been arrested, but as I understand it, it's rather customary to arrange *probation* (happy?) hearings in advance. They don't just surprise you with it. I'm not buying the whole 'I didn't know!' crap.

I`ve never been arrested or on probation (luckily and thankfully) either.

And yes, I`m happy that you are starting to realize that he missed

a Probation meeting and not a meeting with a Parole Officer.

Because there is a HUGE difference in the two.

I never said Odell didn`t know. I was giving a possible reason.

I just find it hard to believe that Odell applied for reinstatement

a month early, Marvin, Odell`s Agent, Mike Brown and everyone

else has said nothing but good things about Odell in recent months,

but no one made sure Odell made it to the appointment.

Hell, Mike Brown stood in front of a crowd of people and said

he wanted Odell back, the same day as Odell`s appointment

with his PO.

Which shouldn't pose a problem in our modern age of plane travel. Not like he'd have to find a covered wagon heading west.

Obviously it was a problem. But it doesn`t matter. He paid for it.

OK. And when he does anything to indicate that he's changed, I'll agree with you. What I see is a guy who still makes excuses for everything that happens to him. Odell's recent past isn't good. If he can go for more than a year and make every meeting and stay clean, I might give him the benefit of the doubt. But he's never managed to do that. Let's put it this way - burden of proof is on you to show he *has* changed, not on me to prove he hasn't. Especially when his stupidity keeps proving me correct.

You`re discounting Odell being subjected to 10 drug tests a month,

the multiple stints in rehab, and the fact that he hasn`t gotten in trouble

since the DUI.

That IS all proof that he has changed.

Same goes for Chris Henry, who broke the law 300% more than Odell has.

That's a nice feel-good, empty quotation. The fact is that drug abusers and DUI recipients have a very high rate of recidivism, and a person's history is a really good predictor of what they'll do in the future. The difference between you and Odell, possibly, is that you've learned from your mistakes and he hasn't...yet, if ever.

That`s not an empty quotation.

If everyone that was ever addicted to drugs, or got a DUI, couldn`t change,

then we might as well make it punishable by the Death Penalty.

Again, you`re discounting what Odell has done to turn his life

around the past year. How can you say he hasn`t learned anything ?

Unless someone's dying - and if they were, we'd have heard about it - I don't care why. Nothing short of a terminal illness is a sufficient excuse. Again, burden of proof is on him. People that have screwed up as much as him don't get the benefit of the doubt.

Good thing you`re not the Judge in the case. Odell can get out of this without

terminal illness or death being the cause for missing the appointment.

Anyway, you yourself made a post to this thread saying back in January, that

Odell will never stay clean. Yet he has. So who is it that is having trouble changing ?

You need to climb down off your Soap Box, the thin air up there

is killing your brain cells . . .