TJJackson Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjm47 Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Unbelievably annoying. Let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Yeah for real dude. Frostee isnt bad at all, I know he ran a slow 40 time but that is no reason to hate him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Yeah for real dude. Frostee isnt bad at all, I know he ran a slow 40 time but that is no reason to hate himI'm going with the multiple assault charges as a reason, personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I for one hopes his criminal a$$ has a great year !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoDeyForever Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I don't know why but I laughed at this:“But I’m back and I’m ready to play some ball. You can see it in my eyes, can’t you?” I hope he does well this year though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfansince68 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'm going with the multiple assault charges as a reason, personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WretchedOne Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'm not a fan of Frostee to this point and he has more proving to do than anything. It's not because he ran a bad 40 time or he likes to sexually assault women.Last year I did comparisons between Rucker and Henderson. I took each players # of games started and the number of sacks by each player as a starter and crunched the numbers.Frostee, coming from a more hyped team in a weaker conference only averaged out to about .315 sacks per game as a starter. And I was even being a little generous in Frostee's case.Eric, coming from the ACC, the same as Mario Williams, averaged around .716 sacks per game as a starter..315 vs .716 ......This is why I doubt Frostee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'm not a fan of Frostee to this point and he has more proving to do than anything. It's not because he ran a bad 40 time or he likes to sexually assault women.Last year I did comparisons between Rucker and Henderson. I took each players # of games started and the number of sacks by each player as a starter and crunched the numbers.Frostee, coming from a more hyped team in a weaker conference only averaged out to about .315 sacks per game as a starter. And I was even being a little generous in Frostee's case.Eric, coming from the ACC, the same as Mario Williams, averaged around .716 sacks per game as a starter..315 vs .716 ......This is why I doubt Frostee.So now we can see the competition between the two of them for playing time, a good stiuation to be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Hell be reallly good, then go to jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'm not a fan of Frostee to this point and he has more proving to do than anything. It's not because he ran a bad 40 time or he likes to sexually assault women.Last year I did comparisons between Rucker and Henderson. I took each players # of games started and the number of sacks by each player as a starter and crunched the numbers.Frostee, coming from a more hyped team in a weaker conference only averaged out to about .315 sacks per game as a starter. And I was even being a little generous in Frostee's case.Eric, coming from the ACC, the same as Mario Williams, averaged around .716 sacks per game as a starter..315 vs .716 ......This is why I doubt Frostee.So now we can see the competition between the two of them for playing time, a good stiuation to be in.Actually Henderson was moved to LB, so Frostee won't have to compete with him for a roster spot. For a 3rd round pick I hope he's ready to prove the haters wrong.I'm not down Frostee, he has yet to get in trouble since he has been a Bengal so I will treat him like any other guy on the team. I don't think it's fair that his arrest gets associated with the Bengals, all of his legal problems happened while he was at USC, why aren't journalist pestering Pete Carroll about his team's character issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengal4life Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 At least he'll have the playbook memorized, hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'm not a fan of Frostee to this point and he has more proving to do than anything. It's not because he ran a bad 40 time or he likes to sexually assault women.Last year I did comparisons between Rucker and Henderson. I took each players # of games started and the number of sacks by each player as a starter and crunched the numbers.Frostee, coming from a more hyped team in a weaker conference only averaged out to about .315 sacks per game as a starter. And I was even being a little generous in Frostee's case.Eric, coming from the ACC, the same as Mario Williams, averaged around .716 sacks per game as a starter..315 vs .716 ......This is why I doubt Frostee.Who cares, that was college. This is the PROS. Henderson will not make it in this league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Frostee wasn't drafted to rack up sacks, and that's not what defensive ends are for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfansince68 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Frostee wasn't drafted to rack up sacks, and that's not what defensive ends are for.Not sure I'd agree with that assesment.Reggie White and Bruce Smith might agree with me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 TDB must be talking about Justin Smith too. Defensive Ends are suppose to get to the QB, that is just the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Sacks are the most overrated statistic in football. It's unfair to compare defensive ends in sack totals alone. Dwight Freeney is an average player, but because of his sacks he is a perennial Pro Bowler. The same can be said of Shawne Merriman (obviously not an end though).Sure, a sack is helpful in any game, but one must consider QB hurries, passes knocked down, tackles, and other non-measureables as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfansince68 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Sacks are just part of the equation but generally if a guy gets lots of sacks, he likely is getting pressure on the QB in other ways as well.Justin is not a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Sacks are just part of the equation but generally if a guy gets lots of sacks, he likely is getting pressure on the QB in other ways as well.Justin is not a good example.Justin isn't a good example of what? He ranked 3rd in the NFL in tackles for D-Linemen, and also ranked in the top 20 in sacks among D-Linemen.Hell... the only players on the Bengals that had more tackles than him were Landon, Caleb, and Madieu (positions that the 4-3 scheme funnels tackles to). There are 7 other lineman on this team, and none of them had more than 43 tackles... Justin had 81. But that guys sucks.Anyone who doesn't think he's one of our best players is still bitter about him being a #4 pick. He might not do any one thing in an elite way - but he does everything well. He is about as well-rounded a DE as you get, and he's always around the ball. (hence being #3 in tackles in the NFL among DE's).Justin Smith is actually a great example of what TDB is talking about. He doesn't break any sack records... but take '05 for example. He, and the rest of the line, did a good job of making QB's throw the ball before they wanted to, resulting in a record number of Int's. Sometimes the Bengals specifically scheme this way (they did a mush rush against both the Falcons and Ravens this past year hoping to give the allusion of pressure to Vick and McNair, without causing them to run with the ball).Sacks are good - but are no better than tackling a RB behind the line when it comes to an actual game. It's a sexy stat that gets more play than it deserves. I'd much rather have 7.5 sacks and 81 tackles than the sack machine Freeney and his total 29 tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I'd much rather have 7.5 sacks and 81 tackles than the sack machine Freeney and his total 29 tackles.Agreed. I figure to encounter extreme opposition when indirectly stating "Justin Smith is better than Dwight Freeney" but I believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I think the only obscure Bengal draft pick in the last half dozen years I have rooted for as much as I am going to root for Rucker was Tab Perry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfansince68 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I think tackles is as over rated as a stat as sacks. He gets good tackle numbers and decent sack numbers but many of those tackles come 5 or more yards downfield.Consistent pressure on the QB is what we need and while Justin is decent, he does not get the pressure that I had hoped to see from the 4th pick in the draft nor does he get the pressure worthy of 8 million per year.Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I think tackles is as over rated as a stat as sacks. He gets good tackle numbers and decent sack numbers but many of those tackles come 5 or more yards downfield.It seems illogical to bring more statistics into this discussion, but for what it's worth -- On another board, someone compiled all of Justin's '06 tackles, and found that only about 10% of them came 6 yards or more beyond the line of scrimmage, while as many as 60% of them resulted in a 3 yard gain or less. I have no link to supply for that information though; just numbers from memory.Consistent pressure on the QB is what we need and while Justin is decent, he does not get the pressure that I had hoped to see from the 4th pick in the draft.I'd agree, but I honestly don't think his draft position is relevant in this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfansince68 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 [it seems illogical to bring more statistics into this discussion, but for what it's worth -- On another board, someone compiled all of Justin's '06 tackles, and found that only about 10% of them came 6 yards or more beyond the line of scrimmage, while as many as 60% of them resulted in a 3 yard gain or less. I have no link to supply for that information though; just numbers from memory.Consistent pressure on the QB is what we need and while Justin is decent, he does not get the pressure that I had hoped to see from the 4th pick in the draft.I'd agree, but I honestly don't think his draft position is relevant in this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 \For me his draft position is relevant. Dan Wilkinson would have been a nice 4th round pick but he sucked as #1 overall. Justin is a good player but do you really believe that he is worth $8,000,000.I don't, but it's just my opinion.If it's only one season of eight million with the alternative being starting Bryan Robinson, I think it's worth it. I don't want to see him paid quite that much in the long term though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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