Ive Had enough

[Whur CHad At?]

Ok there is some things you people need to understand...first of all if you havent noticed the trend lately but everyone is getting big paydays. So what makes you people think players are gonna come in here and play for peanuts(4 years $6-8 mill) they just wont do it with the increasing salary cap. Kelly and K2 dont care about the Bengals, if they did they would already be signed with us...they want their paydays. You all complain about people being overpayed, well isnt everyone overpayed. Isnt Carson, Willie, Levi, TJ, all rookies, just anyone over payed. No human being is worth that money, no matter how good they are as a player. Teams are doing all they can improve their teams even if that means giving out s**tloads of money to get them they will do it because they want to improve. Face it, if you want Kelly or k2 back your going to have to "overpay" big time.

"In this life, one thing counts, In the bank, LARGE AMOUNTS"

Everyone says we have such good "team" players and are true leaders such as Willie, and Carson, and others. But one thing I want to know, if you guys were truly team players why the f**k dont you do some restructuring to your contracts. Esp. you WIllie you peice of s**t, you go out and say how much we need to keep Steinbach but your fat burger lovin ass wont even restructure to help us do that, and your fat contrat is hurting the team. And Carson, I love you, but you are going out saying how bad we need to keep Kelly and you are even begging. Well come on, you are making eight figures this year, be a man and help us out a little bit.

On that note, it doesnt make much sense in how Marvin said we would be focusing a lot of attention to defense this year but is going to spend all of our Free Agent money on an offense player. So,I take it you think the garbage we have now is going to get us all the way, yikes. Yes we will draft defense round 1 and I hope it is Patrick Willis but even with that, you rely on rookie to get you all the way.In this years draft their will prob be only be one rookie that will make an impact for us so I dont really get it.

[Stripes]

Ok there is some things you people need to understand...first of all if you havent noticed the trend lately but everyone is getting big paydays.

Yes, they are. Everyone saw it coming too.

So what makes you people think players are gonna come in here and play for peanuts(4 years $6-8 mill) they just wont do it with the increasing salary cap.

They will once we've passed through the first wave of free agents being signed to contracts this ridiculous. We aren't even two days into free agency yet.

Kelly and K2 dont care about the Bengals, if they did they would already be signed with us...they want their paydays.

Both players have made it clear that they'd prefer to stay with the Bengals. Whether or not you believe them is your choice, but I don't see why you'd choose to make liars of them. Yes, they are surveying their options elsewhere as any intelligent person would do in their position. They'll give the Bengals every opportunity to bring them back.

You all complain about people being overpayed, well isnt everyone overpayed. Isnt Carson, Willie, Levi, TJ, all rookies, just anyone over payed. No human being is worth that money, no matter how good they are as a player.

It's pointless to consider their salaries as professional athletes... of course they're paid too much in that regard. It's about ratios and proportions. Athletes can be overpaid based on their talent as compared to contemporary players.

Teams are doing all they can improve their teams even if that means giving out s**tloads of money to get them they will do it because they want to improve. Face it, if you want Kelly or k2 back your going to have to "overpay" big time.

While the 49ers, Patriots, Redskins, and Browns are signing everyone in sight, the Bengals have done their part as well.

You'd better be glad they extended Geathers before free agency began... just imagine how much money he'd be able to demand right now. DeWayne freaking White just signed a contract worth more than Geathers'.

Everyone says we have such good "team" players and are true leaders such as Willie, and Carson, and others. But one thing I want to know, if you guys were truly team players why the f**k dont you do some restructuring to your contracts. Esp. you WIllie you peice of s**t, you go out and say how much we need to keep Steinbach but your fat burger lovin ass wont even restructure to help us do that, and your fat contrat is hurting the team. And Carson, I love you, but you are going out saying how bad we need to keep Kelly and you are even begging. Well come on, you are making eight figures this year, be a man and help us out a little bit.

It's unfair to ask players reduce their own contracts for the sake of the team. Hardly any players in the league would do that. They may "restructure" their contracts, but they don't take pay cuts. Those changes bite teams in the ass down the road too. Ask Steve McNair and the Titans.

On that note, it doesnt make much sense in how Marvin said we would be focusing a lot of attention to defense this year but is going to spend all of our Free Agent money on an offense player.

Six draft picks, and plenty of time in free agency to patch some holes.

So,I take it you think the garbage we have now is going to get us all the way, yikes.

It is possible for a football team to improve without making any personnel changes whatsoever. The Bengals won't try that obviously, but people disregard entirely the youth of this team and it drives me crazy.

Yes we will draft defense round 1 and I hope it is Patrick Willis but even with that, you rely on rookie to get you all the way.In this years draft their will prob be only be one rookie that will make an impact for us so I dont really get it.

Who knows how many rookies will have an impact? The Bengals will rely on their current roster to go as far as it can go, and will continue to build on it as they have been since Marvin took over.

[Whur CHad At?]

I doubt Kelly will come cheap, no f**king way he will. Did you just see the deal the Giants BACKUP tight end got from Minnesota, and you think Kelly will go cheap, are you dumb

[Stripes]

I doubt Kelly will come cheap, no f**king way he will. Did you just see the deal the Giants BACKUP tight end got from Minnesota, and you think Kelly will go cheap, are you dumb

Show me where I said Kelly would come cheap anywhere in my enormous post?

[Whur CHad At?]

I doubt Kelly will come cheap, no f**king way he will. Did you just see the deal the Giants BACKUP tight end got from Minnesota, and you think Kelly will go cheap, are you dumb

Show me where I said Kelly would come cheap anywhere in my enormous post?

Here ya go

They will once we've passed through the first wave of free agents being signed to contracts this ridiculous. We aren't even two days into free agency yet.

[Stripes]

In that sentence I was referring to all free agents whom will still be avaliable after the first wave. Reggie already has an offer from the Falcons.

[Whur CHad At?]

ok

It's unfair to ask players reduce their own contracts for the sake of the team. Hardly any players in the league would do that. They may "restructure" their contracts, but they don't take pay cuts. Those changes bite teams in the ass down the road too. Ask Steve McNair and the Titans.

No it isnt at all. The Colts approached Manning and Robert Mathis to do some restructuring to their contracts so they could franchise Freeney and they gladly accepted for the betterment of the team

[Stripes]

ok

It's unfair to ask players reduce their own contracts for the sake of the team. Hardly any players in the league would do that. They may "restructure" their contracts, but they don't take pay cuts. Those changes bite teams in the ass down the road too. Ask Steve McNair and the Titans.

No it isnt at all. The Colts approached Manning and Robert Mathis to do some restructuring to their contracts so they could franchise Freeney and they gladly accepted for the betterment of the team

Keep in mind that they only restructured those deals. They'll be paid the same amount in the long run. The Colts managed to clear some cap room for this offseason, but will have even less in coming seasons. All they did was build a dam over Manning's deal, so huge numbers will clump up in the near future.

It was a good move to keep Freeney in the fold, but they're only delaying the inevitable.

[Kazkal]

No it isnt at all. The Colts approached Manning and Robert Mathis to do some restructuring to their contracts so

their paying them more now rather then later...do you really think peyton or robert would have redone their deals and make less money?the only players who redo their deal for less money are ones about to be cut if they don't.

[blueridge]

Barack Obama is a fag.

Ok there is some things you people need to understand...first of all if you havent noticed the trend lately but everyone is getting big paydays. So what makes you people think players are gonna come in here and play for peanuts(4 years $6-8 mill) they just wont do it with the increasing salary cap. Kelly and K2 dont care about the Bengals, if they did they would already be signed with us...they want their paydays. You all complain about people being overpayed, well isnt everyone overpayed. Isnt Carson, Willie, Levi, TJ, all rookies, just anyone over payed. No human being is worth that money, no matter how good they are as a player. Teams are doing all they can improve their teams even if that means giving out s**tloads of money to get them they will do it because they want to improve. Face it, if you want Kelly or k2 back your going to have to "overpay" big time.

"In this life, one thing counts, In the bank, LARGE AMOUNTS"

Everyone says we have such good "team" players and are true leaders such as Willie, and Carson, and others. But one thing I want to know, if you guys were truly team players why the f**k dont you do some restructuring to your contracts. Esp. you WIllie you peice of s**t, you go out and say how much we need to keep Steinbach but your fat burger lovin ass wont even restructure to help us do that, and your fat contrat is hurting the team. And Carson, I love you, but you are going out saying how bad we need to keep Kelly and you are even begging. Well come on, you are making eight figures this year, be a man and help us out a little bit.

On that note, it doesnt make much sense in how Marvin said we would be focusing a lot of attention to defense this year but is going to spend all of our Free Agent money on an offense player. So,I take it you think the garbage we have now is going to get us all the way, yikes. Yes we will draft defense round 1 and I hope it is Patrick Willis but even with that, you rely on rookie to get you all the way.In this years draft their will prob be only be one rookie that will make an impact for us so I dont really get it.

[Kirkendall]

ok

It's unfair to ask players reduce their own contracts for the sake of the team. Hardly any players in the league would do that. They may "restructure" their contracts, but they don't take pay cuts. Those changes bite teams in the ass down the road too. Ask Steve McNair and the Titans.

No it isnt at all. The Colts approached Manning and Robert Mathis to do some restructuring to their contracts so they could franchise Freeney and they gladly accepted for the betterment of the team

Yea. I believe the Bengals are trying to do that with Thornton, Palmer and Smith.

No it isnt at all. The Colts approached Manning and Robert Mathis to do some restructuring to their contracts so

their paying them more now rather then later...do you really think peyton or robert would have redone their deals and make less money?the only players who redo their deal for less money are ones about to be cut if they don't.

But they are doing it for the betterment of the team. That's the point. Who cares if they get their money sometime down the road. I'd never expect anyone here, while on a much smaller scale, to take a paycut at their jobs -- would you?

It is possible for a football team to improve without making any personnel changes whatsoever. The Bengals won't try that obviously, but people disregard entirely the youth of this team and it drives me crazy.

Possible yes, but until they show it, it's just that... possible -- you know, like that evil word, "potential". But people don't disregard the youth. They just want to see something to make them believe in the youth.

Who knows how many rookies will have an impact? The Bengals will rely on their current roster to go as far as it can go, and will continue to build on it as they have been since Marvin took over.

And yet, as Marvin Lewis admits, his seat is getting a little warm. I do believe that our youth could make an impact, but to rely on that is, IMHO, a stretch to believe improvement over last season. Although it would be nice to have a veteran linebacker.

[James_Brooks21]

Barack Obama is a fag.

Just wondering why you called Barack Obama a fag?

[Stripes]

Possible yes, but until they show it, it's just that... possible -- you know, like that evil word, "potential". But people don't disregard the youth. They just want to see something to make them believe in the youth.

I thought the defense showed flashes of brilliance last season. They were horrible at times as well, no question, but they had the look of a young and talented group struggling to stay consistent without continuity or experience. They were wonderful against Carolina, shutout the Browns (yeah, they suck, but it's a shutout!), and physically dominated the Ravens in the second matchup.

There is still a ton of work to be done, but I really believe I have seen improvement. It's even in the statistics (namely scoring -- improved every year under Marvin).

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Possible yes, but until they show it, it's just that... possible -- you know, like that evil word, "potential". But people don't disregard the youth. They just want to see something to make them believe in the youth.

I thought the defense showed flashes of brilliance last season. They were horrible at times as well, no question, but they had the look of a young and talented group struggling to stay consistent without continuity or experience. They were wonderful against Carolina, shutout the Browns (yeah, they suck, but it's a shutout!), and physically dominated the Ravens in the second matchup.

There is still a ton of work to be done, but I really believe I have seen improvement. It's even in the statistics (namely scoring -- improved every year under Marvin).

Nice spin. They were ranked 28th and last in pass defense. We'll just skip over that!

Touting good games vs the Browns and Ravens or even Carolina is just, well, kinda sad really, as you pointed out. What about the other, oh, 12-13 games?

So pardon me for mocking your pimping of Marvin's annual bottom-feeder defensive unit.

ok

It's unfair to ask players reduce their own contracts for the sake of the team. Hardly any players in the league would do that. They may "restructure" their contracts, but they don't take pay cuts. Those changes bite teams in the ass down the road too. Ask Steve McNair and the Titans.

No it isnt at all. The Colts approached Manning and Robert Mathis to do some restructuring to their contracts so they could franchise Freeney and they gladly accepted for the betterment of the team

Carson already restructured last year. What about CHAD? Or as you mentioned, big Willie. I thought it was a bad move to extend Willie like they did certainly.

[Stripes]

Nice spin. They were ranked 28th and last in pass defense. We'll just skip over that!

Touting good games vs the Browns and Ravens or even Carolina is just, well, kinda sad really, as you pointed out. What about the other, oh, 12-13 games?

So pardon me for mocking your pimping of Marvin's annual bottom-feeder defensive unit.

Way to ignore the meat of my post. Had I neglected to state, "there is a ton of work to be done" then yes, I'd be a blind homer. For you to refuse to acknowledge that defense has improved is just as bad.

There's more to a defense than its yardage ranking, and you know that full well.

[HoosierCat]

Had I neglected to state, "there is a ton of work to be done" then yes, I'd be a blind homer.

No! Don't do it! Don't join the Blind Homers!

Come to the dark side! We have beer here (dark beer, of course)!

Moe is We! Moe is We! Moe is We!

[Stripes]

No! Don't do it! Don't join the Blind Homers!

Come to the dark side! We have beer here (dark beer, of course)!

It's just like you MIW bastards to tempt an underage, green-under-the-ears, young gun like myself with your demon-beverage.

Moe is We! Moe is We! Moe is We!

I'll stay an innocent spectator, only intruding on the war when I have any clue what's being argued.

[HoosierCat]

No! Don't do it! Don't join the Blind Homers!

Come to the dark side! We have beer here (dark beer, of course)!

It's just like you MIW bastards to tempt an underage, green-under-the-ears, young gun like myself with your demon-beverage.

Moe is We! Moe is We! Moe is We!

I'll stay an innocent spectator, only intruding on the war when I have any clue what's being argued.

OK, dark root beer! A&W's finest!

And don't worry about having a clue. Me, I'm clueless. (cue Hair, Skinny, Kaz, etc...)

[Kirkendall]

Possible yes, but until they show it, it's just that... possible -- you know, like that evil word, "potential". But people don't disregard the youth. They just want to see something to make them believe in the youth.

I thought the defense showed flashes of brilliance last season. They were horrible at times as well, no question, but they had the look of a young and talented group struggling to stay consistent without continuity or experience. They were wonderful against Carolina, shutout the Browns (yeah, they suck, but it's a shutout!), and physically dominated the Ravens in the second matchup.

There is still a ton of work to be done, but I really believe I have seen improvement. It's even in the statistics (namely scoring -- improved every year under Marvin).

I would actually support the idea that the offense let us down too much. For example, when our defense:

...gave up 20 points or less, we were 8-1.

...gave up 30 points or more, we went 0-3 (lost by multiple possessions in NE and Indy and were beaten 42-13 in the second half against SD).

Here's my point. When the Bengals defense came to play, we likely won. But when our defense didn't show up in the second half of games (uh hum, Chargers), then the offense failed to bail them out. And in the games the Bengals gave up 30 points, there were countless three-and-outs, stalled drives and wasted opportunities.

I know, I know. "The offense can't do it all." We know what we have with defense and it's a bonus if they allow 20 points or less. Sad, kinda. Reality, yep. But the offense, with the cash cow its become, didn't show up when we needed them to fire out 40 the most.

...and yes, I expect the offense to carry the same amount of weight on the field as it does on the payroll. That's the way the team is balanced.

And don't worry about having a clue. Me, I'm clueless. (cue Hair, Skinny, Kaz, etc...)

I'll vouch for that.

It's just like you MIW bastards to tempt an underage, green-under-the-ears, young gun like myself with your demon-beverage.

I'd be more worried about Spain before Joisey.

[Kazkal]

Mybe rather then having our panties in a twist we can look forward to the draft like every other year when FA rolls around... Draft us some houston!

[Whur CHad At?]

Mybe rather then having our panties in a twist we can look forward to the draft like every other year when FA rolls around... Draft us some houston!

I dont want that overrated garbage. The only reason he goes first round is because of his 40 time and his workouts. THe combine should intigate a new drill, have the CBs cover the WR's and we will see who is the best, and doesnt just run a good 40 time.

[Kazkal]

Um he was saw as a 1st round prospect before his 40 time because he's fast on the field and had man 2 man / press coverage skills...But I guess since 40 is overrated we can take hughes who ran a 4.7 as a CB rofl and I thought ratliff was slow...His upside is why I want him ala Jonathan Joseph.

PS,Or willis to make you happy which I'd be fine with too

[HairOnFire]

Had I neglected to state, "there is a ton of work to be done" then yes, I'd be a blind homer.

No! Don't do it! Don't join the Blind Homers!

Come to the dark side! We have beer here (dark beer, of course)!

Moe is We! Moe is We! Moe is We!

Dark beer is nice enough but I've never understood how you guys can put up with wearing a wet blanket fors hours during your rallies.

[Stripes]

Here's my point. When the Bengals defense came to play, we likely won. But when our defense didn't show up in the second half of games (uh hum, Chargers), then the offense failed to bail them out. And in the games the Bengals gave up 30 points, there were countless three-and-outs, stalled drives and wasted opportunities.

No argument there. The defense deserves to be blamed for multiple losses in 2006, but the same goes for the offense (and both in some cases). More evidence of the inconsistency of youth, IMO.

[HairOnFire]

I'd say the defense deserves credit for winning as many games as the offense, and when I think of let downs the first thing I think of isn't giving up a buttload of points to the highest scoring offense in the NFL (Chargers) but instead...watching the Bengals offense sleepwalk through the entire Tampa Bay game.